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jtwn 22-02-2005 19:10

ntl on watchdog
 
Now!

Sorry if this constitutes spam.

Keytops 22-02-2005 19:13

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Heh - you've gotta laugh... :)

scrotnig 22-02-2005 19:16

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Hmm...as usual....:rolleyes:

jtwn 22-02-2005 19:19

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Wow, well those problems sure were worth 5 minutes on the prime channel of this country :rolleyes:

hairy_mick 22-02-2005 19:20

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yes well and truly spanked by watchdog

Russ 22-02-2005 19:20

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What was ntl's response?

"We apologise for the inconvenience caused".

When will that stupid company realise that we don't want apology after apology!!! Customers just want them to get it right!!!

scrotnig 22-02-2005 19:20

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ROFL ntl say they have invested in a whole new billing system to iron out these problems.

LOL that would be Harmony then would it? :rolleyes:

monkey2468 22-02-2005 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scrotnig
ROFL ntl say they have invested in a whole new billing system to iron out these problems.

LOL that would be Harmony then would it? :rolleyes:

chalk, slate and a bean counter....

jtwn 22-02-2005 19:24

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That cost....£100 million pounds?!

scrotnig 22-02-2005 19:26

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I don't know. They might also be referring to other things like the new call centre systems they are installing to enable the new 'virtual' system.

timaeus 22-02-2005 19:28

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I didn't see Watchdog. What exactly were they talking about? Any specific examples of poor customer service?

jtwn 22-02-2005 19:32

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Some phone routing problem, went to somebody else or something.
Interactive constantly rebooting the box + repeated billing after cancelling.
Some billing problem with a dead woman.

Mick 22-02-2005 19:32

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Originally Posted by timaeus
I didn't see Watchdog. What exactly were they talking about? Any specific examples of poor customer service?

Well just now as it was finishing, a guy had contacted Watchdog during the program to say he was on the phone 55 minutes trying to cancel his Broadband package, he ended up speaking to 10 different people only to be told 'Write a letter'. :erm:

Derek 22-02-2005 19:35

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Not surprising seeing they aren't even interviewing for customer care jobs any more. They simply ask when they can start and give them a couple of days training then onto the phones with little or no backup.

scrotnig 22-02-2005 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dezzo
Not surprising seeing they aren't even interviewing for customer care jobs any more. They simply ask when they can start and give them a couple of days training then onto the phones with little or no backup.

Yet they made the regional Retentions teams redundant as they were deemed not to be good enough.

I find it highly amusing that they now cannot cope.

Derek 22-02-2005 19:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scrotnig
Yet they made the regional Retentions teams redundant as they were deemed not to be good enough.

I find it highly amusing that they now cannot cope.

Yep. Not one of the people I speak to in Ntl any longer care about the job and have absolutely no faith in the managment any longer.
They are also seemingly ditching the backoffice teams at Bellshill and passing their jobs to Manchester.

Now if Bellshill has no other functions other than a call centre for customer care where is the axe likely to fall if they have to remove another call centre from the cost figures? :rolleyes:

Congrats Ntl managment. You have managed to take a company with staff who actually cared and would go out of their way to help customers to one where people get away with hanging up on customers because their line mangers don't care enough to discipline them. :mad: :mad: :td: :td:
To think that about 12 months ago I wouldn't think about going to another job (even though Ntl was one of the worst paid CS jobs in Glasgow).

Still I'm sure they'll get a nice payoff.

James79 22-02-2005 19:48

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Have to wonder??? Ntl, when contacted by Watchdog held their hands up and admitted that the problems discussed were unacceptable and these people would be compensated with credit on their accounts.

Now, one of the problems discussed concerned that of a lady whose mother had died. She had contacted Ntl multiple times to inform them of this fact - needless to say, they didnt seem to be listening. Bill after bill arrived, and when accounts were frozen no Direct Debits could be accepted - the reminder letters for non-payment of bills started being issued. They even sent the deceased person a letter asking their permission to talk with her daughterabout her account.

The daughter resorted to writing a letter to Ntl as her mother stating that she had been experiencing difficulties in contacting Ntl to cancel her account (problem being that she had died and that she no longer required the use of their services where she now is).

How is this ladies daughter to be compensated?? Surely she should be entitled to financial (hard cash) compensation. Especially if she doesnt subscribe to Ntl???

The stupidity of it all!! :rolleyes:

You'd think that they would be able to get this right?? A person is either dead or is not - that's how I see it!! :(

James

scrotnig 22-02-2005 19:49

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Everything's going to pot.

Where are Simon Duffy and Aizad Hussein? No regular 'motivational' emails any more, nothing. They have given up. The company appears to be resigned to the fact that none of the staff care one iota about the job any more and everyone seems left to their own devices.

This can't go on. Usually when a company reaches this level of meltdown, something big is due to happen like a takeover or a complete sale of the business.

Florence 22-02-2005 19:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scrotnig
Everything's going to pot.

Where are Simon Duffy and Aizad Hussein? No regular 'motivational' emails any more, nothing. They have given up. The company appears to be resigned to the fact that none of the staff care one iota about the job any more and everyone seems left to their own devices.

This can't go on. Usually when a company reaches this level of meltdown, something big is due to happen like a takeover or a complete sale of the business.

Telewest should take charge then at least the staff would be apprciated and customers treated correctly

Neil 22-02-2005 20:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick
Well just now as it was finishing, a guy had contacted Watchdog during the program to say he was on the phone 55 minutes trying to cancel his Broadband package, he ended up speaking to 10 different people only to be told 'Write a letter'. :erm:

Classis ntl CS-BS & telephone ping pong I'm afraid...:rolleyes:

Move along now-nothing new happening here, just move along.....:dozey:

gary_580 22-02-2005 20:04

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Watchdog is such a poxy show these days. People complaining about nothing much at all and Nicky whats his name tries to get aggressive for no reason at all. Total waste of time that programme is these days

Chimaera 22-02-2005 20:07

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Originally Posted by gary_580
Watchdog is such a poxy show these days. People complaining about nothing much at all and Nicky whats his name tries to get aggressive for no reason at all. Total waste of time that programme is these days

Yeah - bring back Anne Robinson! :D

Mick 22-02-2005 20:32

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Originally Posted by gary_580
Watchdog is such a poxy show these days. People complaining about nothing much at all and Nicky whats his name tries to get aggressive for no reason at all. Total waste of time that programme is these days

Complaining about nothing? Are you having a laugh?

55 minutes on the phone talking to 10 different people and then only to be told to write a letter is completely acceptable to you then? Sorry but its a completely ridiculous situation to be in, quite a similar situation I have been in, passed from pillar to post and the end result back at square one, this is and can be a very frustrating and a blood boiling moment to be in, but you think its just nothing Gary? I am pretty certain its a situation you would not prefer to be in surely? :confused:

Hom3r 22-02-2005 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick
Complaining about nothing? Are you having a laugh?

55 minutes on the phone talking to 10 different people and then only to be told to write a letter is completely acceptable to you then? Sorry but its a completely ridiculous situation to be in, quite a similar situation I have been in, passed from pillar to post and the end result back at square one, this is and can be a very frustrating and a blood boiling moment to be in, but you think its just nothing Gary? I am pretty certain its a situation you would not prefer to be in surely? :confused:

Gary_580 is right about people complaining about nothing OK a bit wrong here. But people do complain about the wrong things. If you watch Airport/Airline prople demand to be allowed on the aircraft even though they are 50 mins late and ther flight took off 20 min ago.

Mick 22-02-2005 20:57

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Originally Posted by david.ewles
Gary_580 is right about people complaining about nothing OK a bit wrong here. But people do complain about the wrong things. If you watch Airport/Airline prople demand to be allowed on the aircraft even though they are 50 mins late and ther flight took off 20 min ago.

Yes but your talking about a completely different set of situations those people are in. Of course there is no justification to whinge or moan if a passenger is late for their flight, however, in the context of the issues that were raised on the watchdog program tonight regarding ntl, the customer was not at fault like those late for their flight.

Andrex 22-02-2005 21:05

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Originally Posted by Kits
Telewest should take charge then at least the staff would be apprciated and customers treated correctly

Are you having a laugh? I worked for Telewest for 18 months.

The staff morale in the office was really, really ****. Really ****.

One day, in our office, we had a rebelion. One of the managers sent out an email telling us not to take breaks at the wrong time. Somebody 'replied to all', and asked for a pot to **** in at their desk to avoid leaving it. I replied. Somebody else replied. Everybody replied to all.

It got to the point where somebody said the managers of center couldn't spell, or fall out the window.

We all sat laughing. The managers all got up and walked out the office.

To put this into context: we were telephony switch people. We had no manuals. We had no managers who knew anything about phone switches. We had no help. We had no proper phone system (at the time we covered all the phone regions, so had to shout across the office to get anybody to take a call for a particular area). It was a disgrace.

The morale was absolutely shocking.

geekspeek 22-02-2005 22:04

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I wonder if that is why email has not been working all day - to prevent people contacting the show.....


.... no silly me, email not working is a constant occurrence with NTL.

jtwn 22-02-2005 22:08

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Actually, its been working well for a long time since it just failed to work.

And anyway its working now.

gary_580 22-02-2005 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick
Complaining about nothing? Are you having a laugh?

55 minutes on the phone talking to 10 different people and then only to be told to write a letter is completely acceptable to you then? Sorry but its a completely ridiculous situation to be in, quite a similar situation I have been in, passed from pillar to post and the end result back at square one, this is and can be a very frustrating and a blood boiling moment to be in, but you think its just nothing Gary? I am pretty certain its a situation you would not prefer to be in surely? :confused:

i ask myself why that happened? Maybe this person was clueless about how to get any sort of problem resolved. I had a similar issue with NTL where i got passed between about 5 people. However the last person got it in the neck and funnily enough they fell over to sort out my request and give me money back. Ok i was a bit harsh when i said "complain about nothing" but what i meant is, the way watchdog go on these days, they hardly make much difference. If your case is shown on TV then it gets sorted but what about the 1000's that have the same issues. Watchdog should be focusing on getting these companies to get their processes in order

geekspeek 22-02-2005 22:21

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Originally Posted by jtwn
Actually, its been working well for a long time since it just failed to work.

And anyway its working now.

NTL email not been working since at least 8am for me and still isn't.

Toreador 22-02-2005 22:22

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Originally Posted by jtwn
And anyway its working now.

No it's not :mad:

Derek 22-02-2005 22:24

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:notopic: Hopefully last post before it goes back on-topic but I've not had any problems with Ntl E-Mail. Ever. :notopic:

Anyway back to Ntl being bent over a desk by the BBC and given something to bite down on. :D

Graham F 22-02-2005 22:41

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Originally Posted by scrotnig
I don't know. They might also be referring to other things like the new call centre systems they are installing to enable the new 'virtual' system.

nope the harmony project cost £100 million nothing else :)

Tod 23-02-2005 09:17

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NTL said they have compensated all the customers mentioned on the show.

One guy complained about the red button interactive always crashing his set top box - how was he compensated??

Neil 23-02-2005 09:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod
NTL said they have compensated all the customers mentioned on the show.

One guy complained about the red button interactive always crashing his set top box - how was he compensated??

Probably a subscription to Sky where interactive works properly! :D

ikthius 23-02-2005 12:25

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graham, what is the harmony project?

ik

Derek 23-02-2005 12:56

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Originally Posted by ikthius
graham, what is the harmony project?

ik

It's the program to combine all the old billing and customer managment systems from the different cable companies into one all-singing, all-dancing system which will do everything bar make the customers a cup of coffee.

It has been known to suffer from the odd problem though ;)

Russ 23-02-2005 13:49

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...in the same way ntl has been known to have the odd irate customer or two....

Mick 23-02-2005 17:53

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From the Watchdog Site:-

These are the issues that were raised on lastnights show.

Quote:

22nd February 2005

Hundreds of you have been in touch with Watchdog about the communications giant, NTL. We spoke to three viewers who complained to us about the company's customer service.

Esther Parkes's NTL landline stopped working and she subsequently encountered many problems getting through to the NTL customer service centre. In the time it took to fix her line, she was forced to use her mobile phone instead and ran up a hefty bill which she feels NTL should pay.

Andy Maclean cancelled his account with NTL and gave them 30 days notice. But the company continued to bill him month after month. Andy pointed out their error which NTL accepted and they told him to disregard their bills. But then it seems NTL disregarded their own advice. They instructed a debt collection agency to deal with Andy.

Sarah Daniels was forced into extreme measures when she tried to talk to NTL about her mother's account. Her mother passed away in October last year and Sarah sent the company a copy of the death certificate as well as a letter saying that she would now be handling any outstanding payments.

But NTL continued to write to Sarah's deceased mother asking for her authorisation to discuss the account with Sarah. Eventually Sarah wrote a letter from her deceased mother explaining that since she had passed away, she was no longer able to deal with such queries.

NTL admit the service to those in the film was unacceptable and unreservedly apologise. They will be offered credit for the inconvenience caused. NTL do say a one hundred million pound systems makeover is underway with the sole aim of improving customer service.

AcerKev 26-02-2005 09:27

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Originally Posted by Tod
NTL said they have compensated all the customers mentioned on the show.

One guy complained about the red button interactive always crashing his set top box - how was he compensated??

Credit would be pointless as he was this guy - he'd had enough

Quote:

Andy Maclean cancelled his account with NTL and gave them 30 days notice. But the company continued to bill him month after month. Andy pointed out their error which NTL accepted and they told him to disregard their bills. But then it seems NTL disregarded their own advice. They instructed a debt collection agency to deal with Andy.

Derek 08-03-2005 20:32

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Originally Posted by ikthius
graham, what is the harmony project?

ik

On a small side note I've recently heard a strong rumour that Harmony has been put off to the side for the remainder of the year (and possibly further after that)

So for the people of Glasgow, Northern Ireland and Wales (plus some other regions) your bills and accounts are safe(ish) from the automated ballsup other regions have found when Harmony was introduced there.

jtwn 08-03-2005 20:44

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Only problem when harmony was introduced to the nottingham, was our dd was cancelled twice or three times, if ntl really don't want our money thats fine with us :D

NitroNutter 10-03-2005 20:50

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Tips:
How to avoid shoddy customer services? leave them
How to avoid unreasonable caps? leave them
How to deal with continued billing after leaving them? Cost them lots of money by ignoring their defunct letters of *illegal threats* and if it does get to court then strike.

I left NTL about 9 months ago or so and im still being billed even though both my phone account and cable account was settled in full. Yes before any nerds pipe up they are seperate well in my case they are.
33p seems to their records to still be outstanding, boy am I gonna have a laugh if they threw it in the courts. 33p worth of one hand not knowing what the left is doing if they should take action will cost them 1000's.
Enjoy NTL the company known for shoddy service, restricted service, unstable service. If any more reduncies take place I suggest they look at the management all levels as the general staff themselves are fine but bound by BS

Gotta love Harmony :D


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