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Neil 18-02-2005 19:17
Hmmm
 
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...300977,00.html

I know what I thought when I read about her disappearance, & that article has just reiterated my own thoughts.....:erm: :(

Richard M 19-02-2005 00:54
Re: Hmmm
 
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According to Press Association, the man held is believed to be Joanne's boyfriend Paul Dyson, although police have not confirmed his identity.
That's the first person I suspected of this...

Nidge 19-02-2005 08:58
Re: Hmmm
 
Me to..

gooner4life 19-02-2005 09:38
Re: Hmmm
 
Sadly I cannot see any other suspect, It always turns out to be the one you see on the news in tears, saying how much he loves them.

****.

paulyoung666 19-02-2005 09:41
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Originally Posted by gooner4life
Sadly I cannot see any other suspect, It always turns out to be the one you see on the news in tears, saying how much he loves them.

****.

how do you know he wasnt provoked into it , the guy shouldny be getting judged just yet ;)

Chimaera 19-02-2005 09:58
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
how do you know he wasnt provoked into it , the guy shouldny be getting judged just yet ;)
How do you provoke someone to murder you? :confused:
Although I must admit I thought the same about him, funny how many times it does turn out to be the partner or someone close to the victim, bit sick how they go on tv to appeal for their safe return too IMO.
If of course he's guilty anyway - no charges have been filed against him yet.

Russ 19-02-2005 10:01
Re: Hmmm
 
Shall we wait until he's found innocent/guilty first....?

Chimaera 19-02-2005 10:03
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See my post above! ;)
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Although I must admit I thought the same about him, funny how many times it does turn out to be the partner or someone close to the victim, bit sick how they go on tv to appeal for their safe return too IMO.
If of course he's guilty anyway - no charges have been filed against him yet.

Xaccers 19-02-2005 10:26
Re: Hmmm
 
I seem to recall when a girl at school that I knew was murdered, they arrested her brother and took him in for questioning.
Of course he was released without charge, but they have to explore all posibilities, and you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know than a stranger.
The safest way to murder someone however is still to use a car.

Graham 20-02-2005 02:10
Re: Hmmm
 
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Originally Posted by Russ D
Shall we wait until he's found innocent/guilty first....?
Now why on earth would we want/ need to do that...?! :rolleyes:

BBKing 20-02-2005 12:29
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Quote:
funny how many times it does turn out to be the partner or someone close to the victim, bit sick how they go on tv to appeal for their safe return too IMO.
Not particularly funny at all, if you actually look at the facts rather than tabloid hysteria, most murders (and abuse) occurs within families, not the classic dirty old man in a raincoat scenario. Of course, that doesn't sell papers as well.

Bifta 20-02-2005 14:07
Re: Hmmm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...300977,00.html

I know what I thought when I read about her disappearance, & that article has just reiterated my own thoughts.....:erm: :(
Dude .. the size of your signature! :p:

Pierre 21-02-2005 09:18
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How do you provoke someone to murder you?
There have been several cases that I can remember recently where a woman has killed an abusive husband and got away with it.

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funny how many times it does turn out to be the partner or someone close to the victim
As mentioned by Graham in another thread and on here too, the chances of you being killed by some random psychopath are so small you've probably more chance of winning the lottery.

Whenever there is a case like this the first people the police will look too are family members and close friends because that is usually who did it and it looks like they are right again.

What does stick in throat is the way the killers parade themselves on TV asking for help when all along they know the truth. This happens so many times I can't but help think that the police purposely ask then to do this, and probably have some psycologist watching then during the press conference to pick up tell tale clues.

Maggy 21-02-2005 09:22
Re: Hmmm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
There have been several cases that I can remember recently where a woman has killed an abusive husband and got away with it.



As mentioned by Graham in another thread and on here too, the chances of you being killed by some random psychopath are so small you've probably more chance of winning the lottery.

Whenever there is a case like this the first people the police will look too are family members and close friends because that is usually who did it and it looks like they are right again.

What does stick in throat is the way the killers parade themselves on TV asking for help when all along they know the truth. This happens so many times I can't but help think that the police purposely ask then to do this, and probably have some psycologist watching then during the press conference to pick up tell tale clues.

They do! I watched a documentary about killers last year and it was stated that this is what the police do now.It's one reason why they ask relatives to do it.

Frightening how many can do it with a straight face too. :(

Gareth 21-02-2005 11:03
Re: Hmmm
 
Yes, Incog and I must have watched the same programme.
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...although we were not together when we watched it, I hasten to add... not that we're together now... we've never even met.

Yikes, this has all gotten out of control :Sprint:

Maggy 21-02-2005 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
Yes, Incog and I must have watched the same programme.
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...although we were not together when we watched it, I hasten to add... not that we're together now... we've never even met.

Yikes, this has all gotten out of control :Sprint:
I think this :dig: is the smiley you now need. :D

Xaccers 21-02-2005 15:32
Re: Hmmm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
There have been several cases that I can remember recently where a woman has killed an abusive husband and got away with it.
It also was (and may still be) legal to beat a homosexual to death if he came onto you.
I'll have to check with a Law student I know who was doing an essay on this topic.

Maggy 21-02-2005 15:58
Re: Hmmm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers
It also was (and may still be) legal to beat a homosexual to death if he came onto you.
I'll have to check with a Law student I know who was doing an essay on this topic.
What? I don't think so!! :td:

Xaccers 21-02-2005 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
What? I don't think so!! :td:
homosexual advance defence

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A homosexual panic defence, or Portsmouth defence, is a variation on the defence of provocation, a defence that only applies on a charge of murder.


If accepted it reduces the defendantâ₠¬â„¢s liability to a charge of murder. Murder carries a mandatory life sentence; the sentence for manslaughter is at a judge's discretion.

What is the defence?
The accused claims that the victim made a homosexual advance that caused him to lose control and attack the victim. If there is any evidence that the accused was provoked (and the defendantââ‚ ¬â„¢s own words are enough) the judge must let the jury decide whether the defendant was provoked and whether a †˜reasonable manââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ would have been similarly provoked.

How it is used
In 1994 Al Francisco Delamotta was murdered in Ramsgate. Delamotta was a married man with three children; there is no evidence to suggest he was bisexual. He was stabbed in the chest and back by David Hunt, an unemployed labourer at Delamotta's home in Ramsgate. Hunt claimed that Delamotta, whom he had met while out drinking, made homosexual advances to him. There was no evidence other than Huntâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s word that this was the case; nevertheless Huntâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s plea of provocation was accepted and he was sentenced to five years for manslaughter.

punky 21-02-2005 16:56
Re: Hmmm
 
It seems to be a legitimate defence in Australia, NZ and Canada.

The mind boggles... :eek:

Pierre 21-02-2005 17:23
Re: Hmmm
 
Well Bugger Me :erm:

Maggy 21-02-2005 20:15
Re: Hmmm
 
So does this mean that anyone can kick a homosexual to death and just claim that he was being accosted?I can't believe that anyone would get away with uncorroborated testimony like that.So what if someone makes the attempt? It's not a defence that I think anyone else would get away with.The judge must have been mad. :shocked:

So the next time a man accosts a woman she can kill him and claim he accosted her?I think not.

Unless he was actually claiming he was frightened that he was going to be killed I can't see how it is any kind of defence. :shocked:

Xaccers 21-02-2005 20:47
Re: Hmmm
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
So does this mean that anyone can kick a homosexual to death and just claim that he was being accosted?I can't believe that anyone would get away with uncorroborated testimony like that.So what if someone makes the attempt? It's not a defence that I think anyone else would get away with.The judge must have been mad. :shocked:

So the next time a man accosts a woman she can kill him and claim he accosted her?I think not.

Unless he was actually claiming he was frightened that he was going to be killed I can't see how it is any kind of defence. :shocked:
Incog, it's a defence that people have used to get off a murder rap! That's the scary thing, some juries have agreed that it was a reasonable action to take!

Ok, so a lot of the cases involve the defendant having been abused as a child and those memories being triggered by the advance, or so has been claimed, and they've reacted as if they were attacking the abuser.

If the jury turns round and uses a bit of common sense and says "ok so he made a pass at you, so why did you have to kill him?" (something I'd be asking if I were on such a jury) then chances are the defendant would be found guilty of murder.


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