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AndrewJ 17-01-2005 16:05

66Yr old Romanian Woman Gives Birth
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=418785

This just amazes me... :dozey:

kronas 17-01-2005 16:07

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saw this last night, it makes me want to throw up though, i dont know why :shrug:

but good on her shame about the loss of one twin...

STONEISLAND 17-01-2005 16:10

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Originally Posted by AndrewJames

What gets me shes not married, and when the kid is 18 she will be 84. Its :sick: Not right at all.

AndrewJ 17-01-2005 16:28

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I hope some charity steps in here, and helps this poor kid, I know shes its mum like, but that child wont have any kind of life.

marina 17-01-2005 16:34

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Just out of interest..... would you all feel differently if this woman had somehow given birth naturally, or are your opinions coloured by the fact that there was clinical/medical intervention?

orangebird 17-01-2005 16:36

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How can a country, renowned for it's orphanges and the terrible state of them, spend time and money on fertility treatment of a 60 odd yearold women???????????????????????????
Awful, disgusting, terrible and any other word that matches those. :mad:

AndrewJ 17-01-2005 16:40

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Originally Posted by marina
Just out of interest..... would you all feel differently if this woman had somehow given birth naturally, or are your opinions coloured by the fact that there was clinical/medical intervention?

I see your point there marina, funny enough I have thought of that myself, and I think this is boiling down too, it just being a selfish act of the woman, in my views that is, she has not thought about the childs life, and only of her own desire to have a child.

I do think the child is here, and should have a life, sadly its mom wont be able to give it what it needs, and I hope someone will intervene and give this child the life it so desperatly will be wanting soon.

STONEISLAND 17-01-2005 16:42

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Originally Posted by marina
Just out of interest..... would you all feel differently if this woman had somehow given birth naturally, or are your opinions coloured by the fact that there was clinical/medical intervention?

Noway even if it was naturall its still wrong. when the kids 10 she will be a 76 year OLD lady. :(

Wrong wrong wrong :fit:

Russ 17-01-2005 16:44

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Originally Posted by marina
Just out of interest..... would you all feel differently if this woman had somehow given birth naturally, or are your opinions coloured by the fact that there was clinical/medical intervention?

Not at all - it seems like this woman has been very selfish by imposing this kind of life on her child. Will she be around to see her daughter's 18th birthday? Her 16th? Or even her tenth? Will she see her grow up?

AndrewJ 17-01-2005 16:46

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I am honestly disturbed by this, and worried for the kid.

STONEISLAND 17-01-2005 16:48

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Originally Posted by AndrewJames
I am honestly disturbed by this, and worried for the kid.

Give her a bell and see if you can farther it. :naughty:

Bet you'd make a great Dad :D

Nugget 17-01-2005 16:50

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Originally Posted by skunk4u
Noway even if it was naturall its still wrong. when the kids 10 she will be a 76 year OLD lady. :(

Wrong wrong wrong :fit:

Why would it still be wrong if it was completely natural :confused:

Ignoring the fact that, as far as I'm concerned, my parents only ever had sex twice (once for older Nug and once for me and twin Nug) and that's it, if it had occurred naturally there surely wouldn't be any outcry.

I have to say that I agree with what people are saying (or infering anyway) about the childs quality of life but, to be fair skunk, I think your attitude there is a bit wide of the mark.

Actually, I went to school with a kid (3 days older than me) whose parent were in their mid-sixties when he was 11 or 12, and there was never any fuss about that. Mind you, he was a loony but I think that was just one of those things.

kronas 17-01-2005 16:50

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i can understand that she wants to have kid, being unable to and having specialist treatment, but i feel the age of this event happening, her age is the most disturbing part, im not saying denying her the right to create a life is right, but it would have been the best option.

unless she has someone to look after the child ?

AndrewJ 17-01-2005 16:51

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Perhaps one of her older kid... ?

I just dont know here, but I do so hope there is a 2nd person to help this child grow up.

marina 17-01-2005 16:52

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Not at all - it seems like this woman has been very selfish by imposing this kind of life on her child. Will she be around to see her daughter's 18th birthday? Her 16th? Or even her tenth? Will she see her grow up?

Well, in that case....... if, as i'd suggested, she or any other woman (going through the menopause or post menopausal and over 55 yrs old) had somehow fallen pregnant without trying to (it's happened) ..... would you (pl) expect her to have an abortion?


By the way, i'm not defending this romanian woman's actions..... i'm interested in the debate on a wider scale and other possibles :)

Russ 17-01-2005 16:54

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At 30 I get exhausted looking after my 18 month old - how on earth will a 66 year old woman manage it? No doubt we'll have people comin gon here telling us how we're all being narrow minded and will come up with an odd view which will apparently 'justify' what she did but I think the majority of people will see sense.
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Originally Posted by marina
Well, in that case....... if, as i'd suggested, she or any other woman (going through the menopause or post menopausal and over 55 yrs old) had somehow fallen pregnant without trying to (it's happened) ..... would you (pl) expect her to have an abortion?

I'm anti-abortion and always will be, but that situation is different - she isn't intending to get pregnant.

STONEISLAND 17-01-2005 16:55

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Originally Posted by Nugget
Why would it still be wrong if it was completely natural :confused:

Ignoring the fact that, as far as I'm concerned, my parents only ever had sex twice (once for older Nug and once for me and twin Nug) and that's it, if it had occurred naturally there surely wouldn't be any outcry.

I have to say that I agree with what people are saying (or infering anyway) about the childs quality of life but, to be fair skunk, I think your attitude there is a bit wide of the mark.

Actually, I went to school with a kid (3 days older than me) whose parent were in their mid-sixties when he was 11 or 12, and there was never any fuss about that. Mind you, he was a loony but I think that was just one of those things.

Hey I don't want to offend anyone here :confused: these are my opinions which is the idea of the post.:(

Nugget 17-01-2005 16:58

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Originally Posted by skunk4u
Hey I don't want to offend anyone here :confused: these are my opinions which is the idea of the post.:(

No offence taken, matey - your's was just the post I picked on :D

Unfortunately, this is one of those issues that people feel very strongly about, and I just thought that the way you phrased it was a little harsh - I do understand what you're saying though. However, I don't necessarily agree.

AndrewJ 17-01-2005 16:58

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non-taken we are in discussion mode really here. Grab a beer or your fav beverage and sit with us. :)

marina 17-01-2005 17:09

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Originally Posted by Russ D
[Snipped].......No doubt we'll have people comin gon here telling us how we're all being narrow minded and will come up with an odd view which will apparently 'justify' what she did but I think the majority of people will see sense...........[Snipped]


Well thank you for your opinion...... but just because you don't agree with another view surely doesn't give you the right to tar it as nonsensical and odd before it's even been posted? :shrug: Suggesting openly that a person that doesn't agree with your opinion is incorrect and irrational just seems impolite.

That's hardly going to be conducive to an open and respectful debate :(

Don't panic....... not taking part anymore.

Maggy 17-01-2005 17:11

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Hmm! :scratch:

There are some advantages of having older parents.Such children tend to be more mature in outlook and have more aspirations than their peers.

However some find it embarrassing and are sometimes the targets of bullies.Also there can be more conflicts about disciplines and freedoms to pursue newer trends that the older person might not see eye to eye with.

My sister-in-law was the youngest of three.The eldest was 14 years older than her the second 7 years. She was born when my mother-in-law was 48 and her father was 54.She seems to have taken it in her stride.Mind she is the brightest of all three children(the eldest ended his teaching career as a headmaster) and has had the drive and ambition to set up her own publishing firm now worth millions.

Frankly it depends on the situation.I think as a society we do tend to concentrate of having children too early in life.Far better sometimes the stability of a settled down couple in their middle to later years than some parents of 18. :scratch:

Incog. :)

Russ 17-01-2005 17:17

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Originally Posted by marina
Well thank you for your opinion...... but just because you don't agree with another view surely doesn't give you the right to tar it as nonsensical and odd before it's even been posted? :shrug: Suggesting openly that a person that doesn't agree with your opinion is incorrect and irrational just seems impolite.

That's hardly going to be conducive to an open and respectful debate :(

Don't panic....... not taking part anymore.

You summed it up it the first line..it's just an opinion, and I'm not going to moan if someone thinks my view on this to be odd and/or non-sensical. Don't take it personally, it certainly wasn't intended that way.

marina 17-01-2005 17:24

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Originally Posted by Russ D
You summed it up it the first line..it's just an opinion, and I'm not going to moan if someone thinks my view on this to be odd and/or non-sensical. Don't take it personally, it certainly wasn't intended that way.

I haven't taken it personally and i don't believe i'm moaning :) I haven't given an opinion, so it makes it impossible for me to think you were referring to me.

I was talking generally about creating an atmosphere which makes it possible for people to post their views without being maligned for them before they've posted. That's all :)

Russ 17-01-2005 17:27

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Originally Posted by marina
I haven't taken it personally and i don't believe i'm moaning :)

You're female - you probably wouldn't be aware you were doing it even if you were in full-moan mode :D

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Originally Posted by marina
I was talking generally about creating an atmosphere which makes it possible for people to post their views without being maligned for them before they've posted. That's all :)

That sort of thing comes with the territory - for example there no way I'll be prepared to agree that an Arsenal fan is ever going to make sense :D :angel: :Sprint:

bopdude 17-01-2005 17:28

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Originally Posted by Russ D
I'm anti-abortion and always will be, but that situation is different - she isn't intending to get pregnant.

So would you change your view, in this case ???

just asking, personally, I think she sounds full of life so why not, if the bodys willing and all that :shrug:

Russ 17-01-2005 17:30

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Originally Posted by bopdude
So would you change your view, in this case ???

Definately not, I still feel this is wrong for the reason I gave earlier. But getting preganant accidentally at that age would IMO be marginly less unsettling.

Sarah_77 20-01-2005 15:41

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This woman had donor sperm and donor egg , she was just an incubator! I just don't think it is right that she had this child at 66. I feel sorry for her not being able to conceive but there comes a time and age when you have to let it go and accept that you can't have a child.

Halcyon 20-01-2005 15:46

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Thats wrong !!!
She won't even be able to run around with her child and have fun in the park she'l be totally worn out.
Its unfair on the child as by the time he starts to enter his teens and experience life, his Mum will probably be at the end of her life.

Nugget 20-01-2005 15:48

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Originally Posted by Sarah_77
This woman had donor sperm and donor egg , she was just an incubator! I just don't think it is right that she had this child at 66. I feel sorry for her not being able to conceive but there comes a time and age when you have to let it go and accept that you can't have a child.

Actually, while I still don't see why there is such a fuss being made over this, I believe that further information about this story has shown that it wasn't a case that she couldn't have children, it's just that she chose to put her career first.

Sarah_77 20-01-2005 19:38

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Originally Posted by Nugget
Actually, while I still don't see why there is such a fuss being made over this, I believe that further information about this story has shown that it wasn't a case that she couldn't have children, it's just that she chose to put her career first.

It did take her 10 years to conceive with IVF though.

Don't you think its a little unfair on the baby that she may not be around long enought to see it grow up. Its just not conventional. How do you know that she won't become a burden with her age .

She chose her career before a family great for her. She should have just left it at that ! IMHO

Ramrod 20-01-2005 20:32

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Originally Posted by Sarah_77
It did take her 10 years to conceive with IVF though.

Don't you think its a little unfair on the baby that she may not be around long enought to see it grow up. Its just not conventional. How do you know that she won't become a burden with her age .

She chose her career before a family great for her. She should have just left it at that ! IMHO

My thoughts exactly :tu:
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Originally Posted by marina
Just out of interest..... would you all feel differently if this woman had somehow given birth naturally, or are your opinions coloured by the fact that there was clinical/medical intervention?

I think I would think differently. It would then be an act of God or nature.
But since this was assisted, it's just wrong *shudders*

Dumpty 20-01-2005 20:54

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Looking at it from a different angle, womens bodies change when approaching a certain age and go into the "menopause". Do you think this is natures way of denying women of a certain age the chance to be a mother? Or is it just saying that they are too old?


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