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Bifta 11-01-2005 15:39
Firefox bugs
 
If I go to a forum, scroll down the list of threads, open up, for example, the bottom thread, click the back button, Firefox decides to scroll all the way back up to the top .. very annoying, Internet Explorer remembers where on the page you were.

Not really an annoying bug .. but weird, if I show the bookmark toolbar but don't have any links in it .. it starts bouncing .. why?

downquark1 11-01-2005 15:42
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
Not really an annoying bug .. but weird, if I show the bookmark toolbar but don't have any links in it .. it starts bouncing .. why?
That may be a buggy theme, are u using the default theme?
Quote:
If I go to a forum, scroll down the list of threads, open up, for example, the bottom thread, click the back button, Firefox decides to scroll all the way back up to the top .. very annoying, Internet Explorer remembers where on the page you were.
Works for me

Bifta 11-01-2005 15:47
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Default theme, fresh install of 1.0, no extensions. (and btw, "it works for me" isn't helpful in the slightest for anyone who's thinking about posting further words to that effect)

downquark1 11-01-2005 15:49
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
Default theme, fresh install of 1.0, no extensions. (and btw, "it works for me" isn't helpful in the slightest for anyone who's thinking about posting further words to that effect)
Fresh profile?

Bifta 11-01-2005 15:50
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1
Fresh profile?
It's on a machine that has never had firefox installed, so yes, it also does it on the copy I have installed here which does have a non-default theme.

Chris 11-01-2005 15:50
Re: Firefox bugs
 
It works for ....

... ah, I'll shut up. :D

EDIT

I've tried backing and forwarding around CF from threads to forum views etc, and it all works normally. But I have a nagging half-memory of finding this to be a problem recently, because I remember noticing that IE doesn't do it. But now I can't remember where I saw it (whether it's somethin FF used to do on my PC, or possibly whether it was my home (Mac) version) that was playing up. I'll try my Mac version later if I get a chance, I'm curious now.

Paul K 11-01-2005 15:51
Re: Firefox bugs
 
To be honest I've noticed the "dump you at a random point on the page or right back at the top" feature of Firefox, I've always wondered if it was a cookie issue and if I cause it having cookies restricted. At least I know I'm not alone with that one ;)
As to the bookmark bar bouncing I have mine hidden so I don't know if it does it, I'll have it on view when I get home to see if it does it there, will let you know if it does.

downquark1 11-01-2005 15:53
Re: Firefox bugs
 
The bookmark bar isn't suppose to bounce, no.

I take it it's the official build. Try turning smooth scrolling on/off


then try this:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewto...kmarks+toolbar

Bugzilla:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247116

Richard M 11-01-2005 16:22
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Firefox is being compliant by not ignoring the http no-cache headers. IE is not.

Bifta 11-01-2005 16:25
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard M
Firefox is being compliant by not ignoring the http no-cache headers. IE is not.
How do you explain that away when the forum I'm browsing doesn't use no-cache meta tags?

downquark1 11-01-2005 16:28
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Perhaps bifta you could search the mozillazine bug forum or bugzilla

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewfo...34d818345b8f51

So you can benefit from people who know the software inside out.

Bifta 11-01-2005 16:31
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Also, how do you get rid of the bloody annoying Google search bar?

Edit: NM, found it

Richard M 11-01-2005 18:43
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
How do you explain that away when the forum I'm browsing doesn't use no-cache meta tags?
No browser (IIRC) reads them in META tags, I'm talking about the http headers sent by the server before the HTML.

Bifta 11-01-2005 18:51
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard M
No browser (IIRC) reads them in META tags, I'm talking about the http headers sent by the server before the HTML.
So what's <META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"> for? Browsers to ignore?

Richard M 11-01-2005 21:20
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
So what's <META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"> for? Browsers to ignore?
Well none that I know of apart from maybe Netscape 4 or IE <= 4 would listen to it.
You should be sending out http headers like this for it to work as intended:
Code:
Expires: 0
Cache-Control: private, post-check=0, pre-check=0, max-age=0
Pragma: no-cache

scrotnig 11-01-2005 21:22
Re: Firefox bugs
 
*cough*

Forum pages are dynamically generated and the back button should NOT be used unless the page instructs you to do so.

The forum pages are not ordinary html pages and that should be remembered.

bopdude 11-01-2005 22:13
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
*cough*

Forum pages are dynamically generated and the back button should NOT be used unless the page instructs you to do so.

The forum pages are not ordinary html pages and that should be remembered.
So what are the pitfalls of doing this ? just curious :)

Ramrod 11-01-2005 22:33
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bopdude
So what are the pitfalls of doing this ? just curious :)
Yes, 'cos I always use my back button :D

nffc 11-01-2005 23:37
Re: Firefox bugs
 
I use my Back button and it returns to the bottom as IE does.

*waits for Bifta to say "childish"*

Bifta 11-01-2005 23:47
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc
I use my Back button and it returns to the bottom as IE does.

*waits for Bifta to say "childish"*
I don't need to say it mate, I think people have realised already.

AndrewJ 11-01-2005 23:55
Re: Firefox bugs
 
:notopic:

nffc 12-01-2005 00:19
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
I don't need to say it mate, I think people have realised already.
Back on topic- I wonder why the same site loading in the same browser reacts differently on different peoples' PCs?

ian@huth 12-01-2005 00:24
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
*cough*

Forum pages are dynamically generated and the back button should NOT be used unless the page instructs you to do so.

The forum pages are not ordinary html pages and that should be remembered.
The problem with not using the back button is that if you click on "new posts" you can get posts that you haven't read disappearing from the list of posts.

scrotnig 12-01-2005 00:37
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bopdude
So what are the pitfalls of doing this ? just curious :)
You won't damage anything, but you may get things like old cached copies of pages, or even in extreme cases incorrectly built pages.

The pages are simply not designed to work correctly with back buttons. Using the back button is mistaking the page for a static html page, which of course it isn't.

scrotnig 12-01-2005 00:38
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianathuth
The problem with not using the back button is that if you click on "new posts" you can get posts that you haven't read disappearing from the list of posts.
New posts shouldn't disappear from the list immediately, only when your cookie expires. All that happens immediately if you click the link again is that the titles of read posts turn from bold type to standard type.

nffc 12-01-2005 00:41
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
New posts shouldn't disappear from the list immediately, only when your cookie expires. All that happens immediately if you click the link again is that the titles of read posts turn from bold type to standard type.
IMO, that feature should decrease the new posts count as such posts are "read".

There's probably something preventing it- I don't know, I'm not a web designer and I'm not a programmer!

ian@huth 12-01-2005 00:44
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
New posts shouldn't disappear from the list immediately, only when your cookie expires. All that happens immediately if you click the link again is that the titles of read posts turn from bold type to standard type.
Fair point, they usually disappear if I have clicked on a link and stayed on the linked site for a while and then click on new posts.

scrotnig 12-01-2005 00:54
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc
IMO, that feature should decrease the new posts count as such posts are "read".

There's probably something preventing it- I don't know, I'm not a web designer and I'm not a programmer!
It's one of those 'by design' things.

It's not technically 'Unread Posts', it's 'New Posts Since Last Visit'.

Your 'current visit' lasts until you either log out, or your session expires, I think that is 15 minutes after last activity. So if you go to another site for 15 minutes, any posts, read or unread, that were in the new posts list last time, will have gone.

If you return before the 15 minutes is up, they'll all still be there.

Personally I prefer TODAY'S POSTS rather than New Posts, this gives all posts in the last 24 hours regardless of cookies and sessions, but there is no link to that by default.

nffc 12-01-2005 00:56
Re: Firefox bugs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
It's one of those 'by design' things.

It's not technically 'Unread Posts', it's 'New Posts Since Last Visit'.

Your 'current visit' lasts until you either log out, or your session expires, I think that is 15 minutes after last activity. So if you go to another site for 15 minutes, any posts, read or unread, that were in the new posts list last time, will have gone.

If you return before the 15 minutes is up, they'll all still be there.
I know that. I was just saying I'd prefer something different.

Incidentally you can wipe the slate, it must re-write the cookie or something, by marking the forums read.


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