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andygrif 04-01-2005 13:01

AntiVirus Recommendations Please
 
Hello all....

I'm running a server - well I say server, it's an old PC running XP Pro SP2 with some shared folders on it as a central point to store my files in from around the house.

I'm cleaning it up as it moves as slow as a dead snail - and getting rid of Norton Internet Security, AntiVirus and Sysyem Works from it.

I'm OK with Windows Firewall as part of SP2 - as it's not doing much on the internet, mostly only acting as a file server, but occasionally doing email on there - and it's behind a router - so it's no big issue.

However I do want to replace the antivirus software.... as it's an old machine Kaspersky seems to slow it down a lot, so do you have any recommendations for a very light AV program (free preferably) that won't hog the resources?

Cheers!

Jon M 04-01-2005 13:03

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I'd swear by Sophos for resource management.. but lately I've been using http://www.avast.com for a free alternative.

bob_builder 04-01-2005 13:11

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There are a number of people on this forum who use AVG:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=19972

You can download it free from here:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1/lng/us/tpl/v5

andygrif 04-01-2005 13:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by s1lv3r
I'd swear by Sophos for resource management.. but lately I've been using http://www.avast.com for a free alternative.

Thanks mate....I'm using Avast on my old lappy...and it's a big resource hungry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob_builder
There are a number of people on this forum who use AVG:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=19972

You can download it free from here:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1/lng/us/tpl/v5

Thanks Bob....I'm just installing it now, looks fairly light on first inspection which is exactly what I need! Thank you!

Paul K 04-01-2005 14:07

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Install AVG v7, set it to auto update and just let it get on with the job in hand :) I've been using AVG for quite some time now and it hasn't let me down yet. Not bad for a freebie ;)

AndrewJ 04-01-2005 14:22

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Personally I find Avast! Home which is free to be a resource friendly AV, and works well with sp2.

SOSAGES 04-01-2005 14:22

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Trend Micro :)

Dave Stones 04-01-2005 14:24

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i use BitDefender here.... AV and firewall, is good :)

Toto 04-01-2005 14:25

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Norton 2005 (waits for the hiss, boos)

MovedGoalPosts 04-01-2005 14:31

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I think the OP wanted a freebie AV. Most of the recent ideas are paid for :confused:

AVG does appear to be the market leader in the freebie stakes.

You need to be aware that there are differences in the free to paid for products. Most are created in the hope you will upgrade. The biggest must to ensure is that updates are frequent enough to protect you. New viruses are released daily. If you connect to the internet, even just for email, daily, you need a daily update. You might remain lucky but if you do get an infection will the freebie AV software help you to clean up your PC when you have no support?

andygrif 04-01-2005 19:45

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Thanks everyone....including the Norton Suggestion...I was trying to get away from them not give them even more money! TBH I'd swear by Norton if the PC was doing a lot of surfing, but it's just a file server and I want to make sure than nothing with a virus gets stored on it.

AVG seems to be working out just fine - in fact just losing the Norton has sped it up unbelieveably!

Thanks again...green reps all round

SOSAGES 05-01-2005 14:02

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norton virus isnt to bad its system works etc that slow it down - the enterprise version of norton isnt to bad either

*go for trend* ;)

Matthew 05-01-2005 15:41

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I use AVG and Sophos. You can download and evaluate Sophos for 30 days on their site and in that 30 days it only updates about twice. At the end of the 30 days or maybe longer I just re-register and they do not have a problem with that. I have been doing this for about two years now.

Bifta 05-01-2005 16:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andygrif
Hello all....

I'm running a server - well I say server, it's an old PC running XP Pro SP2 with some shared folders on it as a central point to store my files in from around the house.

I'm cleaning it up as it moves as slow as a dead snail - and getting rid of Norton Internet Security, AntiVirus and Sysyem Works from it.

I'm OK with Windows Firewall as part of SP2 - as it's not doing much on the internet, mostly only acting as a file server, but occasionally doing email on there - and it's behind a router - so it's no big issue.

However I do want to replace the antivirus software.... as it's an old machine Kaspersky seems to slow it down a lot, so do you have any recommendations for a very light AV program (free preferably) that won't hog the resources?

Cheers!

The 12 month trial of e-Trust is very good (apart from Google desktop refusing to work with it)

Paul K 05-01-2005 17:32

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E-Trust is good :) Wasn't that the piece of software that was originally free but then was renamed and sold commercially?? Inoculateit PE I think was what it was called before they realised they could make a lot of money from it :(

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 19:02

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Am I the only one on this forum who doesn't use Anti-Virus software? :erm:

dilli-theclaw 05-01-2005 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Am I the only one on this forum who doesn't use Anti-Virus software? :erm:

I know of at least two other people that don't use an anti-virus program.

MovedGoalPosts 05-01-2005 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Am I the only one on this forum who doesn't use Anti-Virus software? :erm:

How on earth do you get away without your PC getting infected? Even if you never do any email, virus can come by web browsing and all sorts.

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts
How on earth do you get away without your PC getting infected? Even if you never do any email, virus can come by web browsing and all sorts.

Well I havn't had one installed since the beginning of November (when I installed 2000) and so far I've got nothing. Just done an online scan on both of my drives and it found nothing. I have Fprot on a boot-disc if I DO get one.

nffc 05-01-2005 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Am I the only one on this forum who doesn't use Anti-Virus software? :erm:

IMO, you're foolish for not using any protection!

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 21:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
IMO, you're foolish for not using any protection!

I have SOME protection, but that would just be my firewall in my router.

nffc 05-01-2005 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
I have SOME protection, but that would just be my firewall in my router.

Even so, you could feasibly be harbouring tons of viruses and malware, spyware, etc, and not know about it.

Virus checkers have their flaws but that's no reason not to use one.

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 21:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
Virus checkers have their flaws but that's no reason not to use one.

I don't use one because of these reasons:

1. I have never caught a virus from having the internet for 6 years
2. Why waste CPU cycles that could be re-cycled for something else (CPDN)
3. Even if I have 1.28GB memory, I hate anti-virus software doing loads of I/O activity on my drives

That's why I don't use one.

Bifta 05-01-2005 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
I don't use one because of these reasons:

1. I have never caught a virus from having the internet for 6 years
2. Why waste CPU cycles that could be re-cycled for something else (CPDN)
3. Even if I have 1.28GB memory, I hate anti-virus software doing loads of I/O activity on my drives

That's why I don't use one.

You will use one once you've caught a virus like Nimda or Code Red and the only way of cleaning your system is a reformat and reinstall. E-Trust uses no CPU cycles while idle and only 3 meg of memory whilst resident. I don't run full scans as I install AV software as soon as I install an OS so I never worry about it taking up processor time.

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
E-Trust uses no CPU cycles while idle and only 3 meg of memory whilst resident.

I used that before, but for some reason it was doing more I/O activity than the CPDN software (and I'm talking about 2,000,000,000 bytes per hour here).

I heard it was a bug in the software, may aswell download it to see if they fixed it or not. At least I can monitor it to *SEE* if it is slowing down CPDN (with them weird noises from my sound card, from another thread).

Tricky 05-01-2005 21:50

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McAfee Virusscan Enterprise
McAfee Desktop Firewall
Assuming you get through the router firewall

Tricky 05-01-2005 21:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
I have SOME protection, but that would just be my firewall in my router.

How is a firewall in a router going to stop a virus? - Would you like me to send you an email? or even direct you to a web page that'll autoinstall a virus for you...

You must be really brave that's all I can say (hats off sir). :erm:

But, honestly please reconsider running a virus checker even if you only scan once a week and don't have "On access scanning" enabled

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 22:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tricky
But, honestly please reconsider running a virus checker even if you only scan once a week and don't have "On access scanning" enabled

I've just installed E-Trust's anti-virus, no speed changes to the CPDN software but I've noticed SERVICES.EXE has started to do a lot of I/O activity :erm:

Tricky 05-01-2005 22:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
I've just installed E-Trust's anti-virus, no speed changes to the CPDN software but I've noticed SERVICES.EXE has started to do a lot of I/O activity :erm:

can you disable some features of the AV product such as on access scanning? assuming the increase in i/o is an issue? - I'd recommend leaving email scanning on if possible as most viruses are sent via email now...

Electrolyte01 05-01-2005 22:05

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There's floppy disk boot protection and total file protection. I don't think I'll need floppy disk boot protection :erm:

nffc 06-01-2005 00:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
I don't use one because of these reasons:

1. I have never caught a virus from having the internet for 6 years
2. Why waste CPU cycles that could be re-cycled for something else (CPDN)
3. Even if I have 1.28GB memory, I hate anti-virus software doing loads of I/O activity on my drives

That's why I don't use one.

1 is an irrelevance, I've never been run over by a bus but that doesn't mean if I go out tomorrow I'm not going to get run over by a bus.

2- You have what spec PC, running a generous OS (2000 IIRC) and you're bothered about a few CPU cycles, for what?

3- You have 1.28 GB of RAM and you're moaning about a process that will take a few MB?

You're playing with fire, and anyone who plays with fire will get burnt eventually.

SOSAGES 06-01-2005 08:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
I don't use one because of these reasons:

1. I have never caught a virus from having the internet for 6 years
2. Why waste CPU cycles that could be re-cycled for something else (CPDN)
3. Even if I have 1.28GB memory, I hate anti-virus software doing loads of I/O activity on my drives

That's why I don't use one.

on my spare pc i didnt have any virus software for a while - complicated issues and i never use the thing and it sits behind a nice router but i did a scan the other day and it had loads ...u would be mad not to use virus software.

Electrolyte01 06-01-2005 09:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SOSAGES
on my spare pc i didnt have any virus software for a while - complicated issues and i never use the thing and it sits behind a nice router but i did a scan the other day and it had loads ...u would be mad not to use virus software.

Well my laptop which is just running the CPDN software hasn't had one for about a year and is clean :rolleyes:

bob_builder 06-01-2005 10:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Am I the only one on this forum who doesn't use Anti-Virus software? :erm:

I used to have no Anti-Virus software and never had a problem with viruses. The only reason I installed AVG was that once I had installed XP SP2 I got fed-up with XP telling me that my computer was not protected all the time.

Since, installing AVG I find it fits my requirements perfectly. It was free but XP still detected it (so stopped the annoying popups) and I only notice it is running when it tells me there are new updates to download.

SOSAGES 06-01-2005 10:56

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u can stop the pop ups in xp sp2 just go into the security centre and click antivirus and tick the "i have a solution i will monitor my self"

- as for virus i know whats what on the web and i am very careful and patched up but some still creep through.

Electrolyte01 07-01-2005 11:49

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Well E-Trust's Anti-Virus has slown my CPDN software down to hell, so I've tried to unistall it but it keeps failing to unistall it. It's always E-Trust's Anti-Virus that fails to unistall it's self. So I've had to stop it from launching at start up and disable the service for it.

Last time I ever use E-Trust.

Paul K 07-01-2005 12:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Well E-Trust's Anti-Virus has slown my CPDN software down to hell, so I've tried to unistall it but it keeps failing to unistall it. It's always E-Trust's Anti-Virus that fails to unistall it's self. So I've had to stop it from launching at start up and disable the service for it.

Last time I ever use E-Trust.

Does it give any errors when it fails to uninstall and have you tried uninstalling it while the service isn't actually running?

Electrolyte01 07-01-2005 12:24

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I tried unistalling it with everything related to it closed or disabled, and it just keeps failing to remove the service and all the files for it.

Was able to totally disable it so it doesn't run any more, and I'm giving Avast! a try. So far I prefer Avast! to E-Trust, and it doesn't slow down CPDN :)

Stuart 07-01-2005 12:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Well my laptop which is just running the CPDN software hasn't had one for about a year and is clean :rolleyes:

Even with a good firewall,without a good antivirus system, at some point you will get a virus. You have been lucky so far. At some point you won't be. My PC at home is behind two firewalls (one in the router, and Zonealarm Pro on the PC) and I have still had a couple of problems with Viruses. Luckily in both cases, McAfee stopped them before they did any damage.

Electrolyte01 07-01-2005 12:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
Even with a good firewall,without a good antivirus system, at some point you will get a virus. You have been lucky so far. At some point you won't be. My PC at home is behind two firewalls (one in the router, and Zonealarm Pro on the PC) and I have still had a couple of problems with Viruses. Luckily in both cases, McAfee stopped them before they did any damage.

Well if no one uses my laptop (and I mean it's just got it's lid closed 24/7) and only has BOINC running on it, how is it going to catch a virus? :erm:

Stuart 07-01-2005 12:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Well if no one uses my laptop (and I mean it's just got it's lid closed 24/7) and only has BOINC running on it, how is it going to catch a virus? :erm:


It's entirely possible they could do it through BOINC. Just because no exploits have been found in it, does not mean there are none.

Electrolyte01 07-01-2005 12:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
It's entirely possible they could do it through BOINC. Just because no exploits have been found in it, does not mean there are none.

That's the thing with BOINC, it only uses the internet when it has to (which is every 15 hours and only for about a second) and it updates it's self automatically. So far CPDN and the people who make BOINC havn't found any type of flaw that can allow someone to send a virus or allow access to my PC threw it (as there isn't really a point, it's for Distributed Computing and nothing more).

Bifta 07-01-2005 12:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
That's the thing with BOINC, it only uses the internet when it has to (which is every 15 hours and only for about a second) and it updates it's self automatically. So far CPDN and the people who make BOINC havn't found any type of flaw that can allow someone to send a virus or allow access to my PC threw it (as there isn't really a point, it's for Distributed Computing and nothing more).

If BOINC allows incoming traffic for any reason on port 80 (I know it transmits on port 80 and presumably needs a connection in to verify it) then you are at risk from a number of virus's. Most of which will scan random IP's for any open ports and automatically infect the host machines.

Electrolyte01 07-01-2005 12:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
If BOINC allows incoming traffic for any reason on port 80 (I know it transmits on port 80 and presumably needs a connection in to verify it) then you are at risk from a number of virus's. Most of which will scan random IP's for any open ports and automatically infect the host machines.

Well I'll try Avast! on it later, I know my laptop doesn't like other things running in the back-ground :erm:

Stuart 07-01-2005 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
That's the thing with BOINC, it only uses the internet when it has to (which is every 15 hours and only for about a second) and it updates it's self automatically. So far CPDN and the people who make BOINC havn't found any type of flaw that can allow someone to send a virus or allow access to my PC threw it (as there isn't really a point, it's for Distributed Computing and nothing more).


Actually, as the individual BOINC projects are not sandboxed (IE they have the same level of access to the system as the user that runs them), it's entirely possible that a project could be doing all sorts of nasty stuff, including install viruses.


BTW, the info about BOINC not being sandboxed comes from the BOINC website (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/security.php).

The code signing scheme they use will go some way to prevent this, but theoretically, that is breakable.Berkley also make the point (on the page above) that by running a BOINC project, you entrust the security of your system to whoever wrote the poject.

Hell, just persuaded myself never to install BOINC.

Even if you are not directly affected, it's entirely possible that a virus could install itself on the laptop then flood your network connection with attempts to infect other people. It's also entirely possible, if you are connected via a Hub (not a router) that a virus could be sitting there scanning your network for passwords, or other useful information, such as Credit Card numbers.

A virus scanner would go some way toward minimising the risk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott
Well I'll try Avast! on it later, I know my laptop doesn't like other things running in the back-ground

OK.. Well done!

Electrolyte01 07-01-2005 13:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
OK.. Well done!

Doesn't seem to be slowing it down, but I'll have to wait until it sends a "trickle" to the CPDN server so then I can calculate if it's slown down or not.


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