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dave_tracey 03-01-2005 22:52

Recording NTL Digital
 
I'm thinking about getting a digital TV subscription, and already have NTL phone & Broadband, so it seems to be the logical choice (besides, I don't really want a dish on the house!)

I'm not sure how the STB connects to the TV, but presume it will be Scart. My question is this, would I be able to watch something on one channel, and record something on another simultaneously, using only the feed from NTL?

Tristan 03-01-2005 22:55

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
you can do the following:

1) record one digital channel, and watch a terrestrial channel (i.e. using your aerial)

2) record a terretrial channel whilst watching a digital channel

3) record a terrestrial channel and watch a terrestrial channel

It's not possible to record one digital channel whilst watching another digital channel using one set-top box.

Stuart 03-01-2005 22:57

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave_tracey
I'm thinking about getting a digital TV subscription, and already have NTL phone & Broadband, so it seems to be the logical choice (besides, I don't really want a dish on the house!)

I'm not sure how the STB connects to the TV, but presume it will be Scart. My question is this, would I be able to watch something on one channel, and record something on another simultaneously, using only the feed from NTL?

Not using the NTL digital signal. Some boxes support an analogue passthrough for Channels 1 to 5. You can record these, and watch a digital channel, or record a digital channel and watch Analogue channels 1 -5.

You can rent extra boxes from NTL (and about £16 a month each) to enable you to watch one digital channel and record another.

pidsley 06-01-2005 17:52

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Does anyone know how I can get the box that has analogiue (coax pass thru)

Or can I get a splitter

bob_builder 06-01-2005 18:22

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pidsley
Does anyone know how I can get the box that has analogiue (coax pass thru)

Or can I get a splitter

You will need to ask the installation guy to fit one as none of the new STBs come with them (but only if you live in a Langley area).

shazza 17-01-2005 19:48

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Tried recording a film on ntl on video which was set on timer..

stb and vidoe on,tv off...recorded blank screen..

have i got my scarts set up wrongly? tapes if tv on! shouldn't make a difference should it??

ta

altis 17-01-2005 19:54

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
It should be like this:
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MovedGoalPosts 17-01-2005 19:54

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza
Tried recording a film on ntl on video which was set on timer..

stb and vidoe on,tv off...recorded blank screen..

have i got my scarts set up wrongly? tapes if tv on! shouldn't make a difference should it??

ta

How many scart sockets does your video and TV have? Ideally you need 2 on each so your VCR has a lead from the STB and a lead to the TV, whilst another lead goes from the STB to the TV.

When recording on the VCR you need to have the VCR tuned to the Scart socket served directly by the STB lead, not from the TV.

If the TV is off there will be no signal down the TV > VCR lead, yet if the TV is on the TV > VCR lead will only get the channel being watched by the TV.

Edit: Doh I should have known altis would be along with the diagram :dozey:

shazza 17-01-2005 20:03

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts
How many scart sockets does your video and TV have? Ideally you need 2 on each so your VCR has a lead from the STB and a lead to the TV, whilst another lead goes from the STB to the TV.

When recording on the VCR you need to have the VCR tuned to the Scart socket served directly by the STB lead, not from the TV.

If the TV is off there will be no signal down the TV > VCR lead, yet if the TV is on the TV > VCR lead will only get the channel being watched by the TV.

Edit: Doh I should have known altis would be along with the diagram :dozey:

hi, I have 2 scarts on tv, 2on stb box and one one dvd player..coax from vcr to stb..

MovedGoalPosts 17-01-2005 23:52

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza
hi, I have 2 scarts on tv, 2on stb box and one one dvd player..coax from vcr to stb..

So if I understand you right, your VCR is not connected to the STB by a direct scart lead. You can record from the STB by use of the coaxial feed (provided the coaxial is connected to the TV out side of the STB and to the aerial in side of the VCR. You will need to tune the VCR to the STB's coaxial signal. Hopefully the VCR and STB's use different channel frequencies.

Tristan 18-01-2005 00:43

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot
sounds to me that you would be better off geting sky +

What a helpful response :rolleyes:

shazza 18-01-2005 11:38

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts
So if I understand you right, your VCR is not connected to the STB by a direct scart lead. You can record from the STB by use of the coaxial feed (provided the coaxial is connected to the TV out side of the STB and to the aerial in side of the VCR. You will need to tune the VCR to the STB's coaxial signal. Hopefully the VCR and STB's use different channel frequencies.

Hi, I have scarts connected to tv from stb box and stb box to vcr and scart from tv to dvd...everythiong seems to be working, can watch dvd's,stb channels and also testerial from ariel.can record when tv on and watching stb channel but wont record anything apart from blan sceen when tv is off at night??

hope this explains it better but probably not..:)

ian@huth 18-01-2005 12:38

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
It could be a faulty scart lead between the STB and VCR or a one way scart lead that hasn't got all pins connected.

bob_builder 18-01-2005 13:42

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza
Hi, I have scarts connected to tv from stb box and stb box to vcr and scart from tv to dvd...everythiong seems to be working, can watch dvd's,stb channels and also testerial from ariel.can record when tv on and watching stb channel but wont record anything apart from blan sceen when tv is off at night??

Do you have a Scart cable between your VCR and TV?

shazza 18-01-2005 15:30

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob_builder
Do you have a Scart cable between your VCR and TV?

Eureka sorted!! :) :) Not sure what set up I had wrong but started from scratch with help from diagram (cheers) and help from other replies..

Think i had scart from stb going to dvd rather than vcr?

thanks everyone..:tu: :tu:

MovedGoalPosts 19-01-2005 18:15

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Glad it's resolved. One day someone will come up with a neat system of wiring that gets rid of all this confusing spaghetti behind our TV, hifi, VCR, DVD, STB, Games Console, and any other toys we mght have. Untill then we all continue to have nightmares about plugging our gadgets in.

altis 19-01-2005 18:43

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Mmmmmm....

Imagine a lounge with only one remote control; where every piece of AV equipment connects to a single point with one small lead; where every menu has the same look-and-feel...

It could all be available now using exisiting technology but for one thing - it's so simple that big business would find it difficult to take control over it. Consequently, there's no one around to push the concept.

Every piece of equipment: TVs, DVD players, STBs even radios could be connected together using CAT5 ethernet cable or, where necessary, WiFi wireless. At the centre would be a switch that supports multicast packet routing. Devices with a screen, like TVs, would have an embedded browser which defaults to the client list of the DHCP sever (probably hosted in the switch). Click on a client 'button' and the browser would be transferred to the webpage maintained by that piece of equipment. On that page would be all the controls for that device. Dead simple.

From your sofa you could surf to any device in your house using a single infra-red mouse. Or do the same from your PC. Or, assuming you had a broadband connection, you could surf from anywhere in the world and set up say your PVR.

All this technology would be easy fairly to implement if the world agreed on a single open standard. But if that ever happens I'll eat my hat!

McGraw 19-01-2005 21:07

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
The HDMI connection is the way forward.

Mike Harrison 19-01-2005 23:15

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by McGraw
The HDMI connection is the way forward.

...well it would be if it wasn't also sneaky way for content providers to limit what the consumer can do.
See
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...825232&tid=196

georgiegreen 18-02-2005 10:29

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Am new to ntl, this forum and to the world of cable in general. Need some help with the wiring side of things. Altis, you supplied a very helpful diagram and I wondered if you, or anyone else, can just expand on it slightly for me. Recording is working great; my problem is I have to unplug one of the scarts everytime I want to want a DVD. The back of my TV isn't exactly accessible and I'm sure all I need is another scart lead. Just not sure where to put it! I think I must need some sort of double adaptor. This is probably easy stuff for many of you but I'm at my wits end.

homealone 18-02-2005 10:45

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by georgiegreen
Am new to ntl, this forum and to the world of cable in general. Need some help with the wiring side of things. Altis, you supplied a very helpful diagram and I wondered if you, or anyone else, can just expand on it slightly for me. Recording is working great; my problem is I have to unplug one of the scarts everytime I want to want a DVD. The back of my TV isn't exactly accessible and I'm sure all I need is another scart lead. Just not sure where to put it! I think I must need some sort of double adaptor. This is probably easy stuff for many of you but I'm at my wits end.

Hi :welcome: to Cable Forum

yup, I have the same problem - only one scart input on the tv & need to plug VCR & DVD player in. I use a double scart adapter - Asda do them for £9.99 IIRC, the only hassle is having to push the button to toggle between the 2 inputs. This is far less trouble than swapping leads all the time, though.

hth :)

bob_builder 18-02-2005 10:53

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Or you could buy the legendary SCART Video Unit from Argos:
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...clickfrom=name
triple Scart adapter for only £9.75!

altis 18-02-2005 14:16

Re: Recording NTL Digital
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by georgiegreen
Am new to ntl, this forum and to the world of cable in general. Need some help with the wiring side of things. Altis, you supplied a very helpful diagram and I wondered if you, or anyone else, can just expand on it slightly for me. Recording is working great; my problem is I have to unplug one of the scarts everytime I want to want a DVD. The back of my TV isn't exactly accessible and I'm sure all I need is another scart lead. Just not sure where to put it! I think I must need some sort of double adaptor. This is probably easy stuff for many of you but I'm at my wits end.

If your TV has more than one scart socket then use one for the DVD player. If your DVD player has 2 scart sockets then pop it in the line between the STB and the TV. Failing that look for a second one on the VCR and hook up the DVD to that instead.

If you want to, try selecting one of the diagrams that closely matches your system from this document:
http://www.dtg.org.uk/publications/b...guidelines.pdf


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