[merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Telewest have apparently just announced another free upgrade for their top tier BB customers, with their 3mb speed rising to 4mb, including a 128k upload increase bringing it to 384.

All still uncapped obviously.
Makes NTL's recent free upgrade look a bit poor IMHO and I just WISH I lived in a TW area :(

Blueyonder forum? RE Blueyonder increases speed to 4mb in December
 

http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyond...bbs_evenfaster

Not sure if non NTL stuff is allowed on this forum - is there a subforum or something?

Re: NTL beaten again
 

**Moved To Telewest BB Discussion forum as item relates to a TW product, rather than an ntl one**

Re: NTL beaten again
 

This is not going to degrade into a "I hate NTL" thread now is it .. ;)

Re: NTL beaten again
 

It can't degrade into one, it started out as one ;)

Re: NTL beaten again
 

I'm not sure it's so black and white as 'NTL beaten' ... I'm on 750k; this tier at NTL is going up to 2Mb. The 750k tier at TW is only going up to 1Mb. I know which I'd rather have.

Re: Blueyonder forum? RE Blueyonder increases speed to 4mb in December
 

No, but there is a Telewest forum you could've put it in... ;)

Re: [merged] New Telewest Speed
 

Merged with the other thread and suitibly named.

Re: [merged] New Telewest Speed
 

384k upload 4mb down £50 a month nice price

Re: NTL beaten again
 

For me it is, I'm on 1.5mb going to 3mb and capped @ 40Gb per month, I'd rather pay the extra and be on 4mb with no cap and I'm 100% sure I'm not alone :)

Re: NTL beaten again
 

Perhaps not, but heavy downloaders are in the minority. And they'll be a dying breed on TW if they take the pee with these new services. Sooner or later TW will find it unsustainable at those prices. Or they'll merge with NTL and get a single, unified service including caps.

Uncapped broadband, for better or worse, is not long for this world.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

It always makes me laugh that NTL supporters and staff ALWAYS say "not for long" or slates other companies that offer an uncapped service. The FACT of the matter is that there are CURRENTLY companies that offer an uncapped service, NTL do not and will lose customers to those that do.

It may not last for ever, but as I can't see into the future, what's available now from NTL looks VERY poor value compared to alternative providers.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

.... In your opinion ....

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

For some people perhaps, but for the majority of people getting 2meg at £25 is VERY competetitive. Even with a 30g cap which the majority of people won't breach. Edit: In my opinion of course :)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Complete tosh. I am paying the same price today for 750k as I was originally paying for 512k. If I wasn't moving house away from the ntl network, I would shortly be getting 2Mb for the same price. If I were moving to an area with ADSL (which sadly, I'm not), I would find the comparable products still offering a mere 512k. So which is poorer value?

Re: NTL beaten again
 

I am at a loss to see why people are complaining about the difference between 3Mb capped and 4Mb uncapped.

What are you planning to do with the >1.3Gb of data you want to download every day? I can't see any legal use for that amount of data in a home environment. Feel free to enlighten!

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I agree entirely :)

It's 'cause of these changes that I may well be coming BACK to ntl in january :)

Re: NTL beaten again
 

Well said that man :D

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

It depends on what you want, I want an uncapped service, therefore a capped service seems poor value TO ME.

Bulldog is better Value on ADSL and TW are better value on cable, it's unfortunate that as I'm not in a TW area I don't have the option of using TW.

I don't want to go back to the bad old days of having to watch the clock / downloads just to make sure I don't oversep the mark, I may not use more than 40Gb, BUT i'd like the option to do so when and if I choose to do so.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

In your opinion, a view which is not shared by a large majority.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

But you can already with NTL ..... IT's excessive usage that is dealt with i.e.repeated breaking of the upper limit rule.

And who is going to do that on a regular basis ???

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I may choose to do so as more and more high bandwidth services become available.

I don't agree with or like the cap, now I realise round here that makes me public enemy number 1, but it's my opinion and I am entitled to it

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

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Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

of course, as is freedom of choice ... If you don't like the product available from one source you have every right to take your business elsewhere.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I agree :)

This wasn't meant to turn into (yet another) cap thread, but it p*sses me off that no-one on this board is able to disagree with the cap without being vilified.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

If it irritates you that much post here...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=13872

I'm sure nemesis will be happy for the custom :)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Not in this topic, this is about Blueyonder, not ntl. If this carries on about ntl caps it will close.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

:lol: I posted this IN the NTL forum though and it was moved here :lol:

Fair enough, I'll stop posting.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Of course you're entitled to it, and other people are entitled to disagree with you. Stop assuming that because someone disagrees with your opinion, they think you are their 'enemy'. It's not the case. :)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

You can disagree with the cap, but do you actually know what the terms of the cap will be yet??

Currently they dont enforce it strictly.

I sure a hell dont know what they are going to enforce it, or even if they enforce it and what they will do to those who break the cap (extra charges, slower speeds, cut off?) Who knows............But lets WAIT and SEE!

Back on Topic to Telewests move: More excellent news Certainally beginning to make BTs Broadband Products look poor they seriously need to pull out a finger and sort out their delapidated old network quickly as currently they have 'no plans' to offer a 3mbs+ product, mainly because they cant!

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

let's compare ntl's and telewest's new broadband offering...

was 256k/300k now:
NTL:1mb TW:256k (ntl win)
was 750k now:
NTL: 2mb TW:1mb (ntl win)
was 1.5mb now:
NTL: 3mb TW:2mb (ntl win, again)
was 3mb now:
NTL:N/A TW:4mb (telewest win)

most customers will not reach their caps or "usage allowances" with ntl. and telewest will probably end up introducing caps when certain customers begin abusing their network, and degrading other's service.


overall, ntl are going to offer the better service :shocked:
:)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Whilst it may look interesting to compare NTL / Telewest on paper (or screen) it is somewhat pointless as they don't compete :erm: . I'm on NTL and I'm happy. If I was jealous of those Telewest deals I couldn't do anything unless I moved house anyway!

If people have to make comparisons you could at least make meaningful ones, such as between NTL BB and ADSL. But that would be :notopic: ;)

Anyway, if the rumours are self-fulfilling it'll be NTLWest next year :D

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

i was simply comparing the new offerings, as peeps were saying telewest were going to offer a better deal than ntl.

NTeleyonderwest is gonna be the name :D

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I think rather than waste any bandwidth on posting to this thread (which of course, people won't want to do in case their 'cap' kicks in!), we could save a lot of time and effort if all the ntl staff quit the site now and a couple of the admins resigned. :D

Same result, half the effort!
:erm:

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Stuff that someone has to be here to argue.

OK Capping isn't happening:

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist...&Board=plusnet

Read, absorb, especially posts from Ian Wild, Plus are looking at ways to monitor and reduce usage as their current packages aren't economical and their network is maxing at peak times, even with the 310Mbps they've added within the past month.

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist...dog&PHPSESSID=

Bulldog, loads of service problems, go a few pages back and enjoy the string of complaints about their seriously oversubscribed network (the one that gave me sub 150kbps speeds on an Office 2Mbit 20:1 connection).

Much as though I hate to admit it Pipex are one of the few capless and not considering it ISPs left, however their margins are precarious to say the least.

Telewest are gambling a bit with this - whether it will be ok or not we'll see. Personally I think they're taking a huge risk and could really annoy a lot of customers if this goes pearshaped.

A single downstream is 22.5Mbit/s or ~ 30Mbit/s, these are expected to cater for at least 750 customers, usually closer to 1000.

All it takes is 7 4Mbit users blatting it, and congestion city.

We'll see how it goes though. Those who really dislike ntl can move to ADSL in vast majority of cases. The policies won't change because of them that's the way it is.

----------------------- End of cap related cr@p------------------

On another subject BT Wholesale ADSL is beginning to look rather weak, their latest innovation QoS guaranteed service looks suspiciously like a tacit admission that their network can't sustain current levels of service, so they plan on selling the current levels of service as value added extras.

Check http://www.adslguide.org.uk for the news on BT Wholesale, along with their arguments with Ofcom regarding the upgrades that they so greviously need to do to get their network up to 21st Century standards '21CN' as they call it. The core network standards that both cablecos have already, which is why they can push the envelope.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

here's a link to blueyonder:-

http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyond...bbs_evenfaster

if it hasnt already been posted!


(welcome back ignition)


excellent news as it's another boost for Broadband in the UK. and another kick up ADSL's arse.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

This is also mentioned here:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds16898.html

I liked the following quote:
"This will be the second time this year we have increased the speed of our blueyonder broadband services, doubling the original bandwidth with no increased costs and no introduction of caps," explained Eric Tveter, president and chief operating officer at Telewest Broadband.

It sounded like a dig at NTL with their recently announced speed increases with caps!

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I dont care if it's a peeing contest between NTL and Telewest although it is starting to look like one and if it is then that's good news for the consumer.

What's important is that this forces BT to bring down ADSL costs and increase the performance of ADSL in order to keep up.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

One thing which strikes me is that you might talk about money but fail to talk about service. Bulldog's service is terrible from what I have heard and seen.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I have 2 friends on Bulldog (both in Leeds) and have heard nothing but glowing reports about them. In all honesty I don't know what their service is like where I am, BUT can you HONESTLY say NTl's has been GOOD????

Emails that you can't get, newsgroups with NO retention and alot of them simply missing, waiting 40mins + to get through to CS, and until recently a very variable service on BB and HUGE billing problems. The service I have recieved from NTL has been ridiculously variable from utterly abysmal to really very good, but when they are bad they are REALLY REALLY bad.

Again please note this is from MY personal experience as a customer of ~5 years.

Re: NTL beaten again
 

:clap:

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

If it degrades the network why offer faster speeds with restrictions, NTL marketing department should have waited till after the Blueyonder announcement then their BB increases with restrictions wouldnt have looked so bad.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

What?! no comments yet about telewest copying ntl....?

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Do you WANT someone to say that?:confused:

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Well said

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Shall we make another comparison?

As noted by PaulM in his announcement in the NTL further upgrades post in the NTL forum NTL, may re-introduce the 150kb tier so both NTL and BY/TW would offer 4 tiers of service :

NTL:150kb TW:256k (TW win)
NTL: 1mb TW:1mb (TW win (no cap))
NTL: 2mb TW:2mb (TW win (again, no cap)
NTL: 3mb TW:4mb (telewest win, by a MILE, no cap and faster u/l)

Although NTL are a little cheaper on each tier, not signficantly and people who want / need top tier speeds are usually prepared to pay for them (I used to pay £50 for my 1mb connection and was happy to do so)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

A better comparison:

New Speeds (list applies to existing customers)

Entry Level
BY 256k/128k = £17.99 (usage guide 750mb a day or about 23gb per month)
ntl 1Mb/64k? = £17.99 (cap 5gb per month + £25 Admin Fee)

Mid-Tier
BY 1Mb/128k = £25 (Free upgrade + unlimited usage)
ntl 2Mb/128k = £24.99 (cap 30gb per month + £25 Admin Fee)

High
BY 2Mb/256k = £35 (Free upgrade + unlimited usage)
ntl 3 Mb/256k = £37.99 (cap 40 gb per month + £25 Admin Fee)

Higher
BY 4Mb/384k = £50 (Free upgrade + unlimited usage)
ntl - n/a


IMO I think BY wins on the three higher tiers. More speed = more downloading - why would we want caps? I admit, BY prices are not as attractive as ntl but theyll go down when ADSL can compare with BY on speed and price.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Does Telewest use proxies for web surfing ?

Does Telewests Email service work properly ?

Can you get Telewest on the phone within 5 mins ?

I don't know the answer to these questions, but I'd rather NTL fixed whats broken/annoying rather than just keep on increasing speed.
3 or 4 mb is nice, but if you are still proxied and unable to use the email on a daily basis and also unable to reach anyone within a reasonable time to moan about it then whats the point ?

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

NTL are not going to re-introduce the 150k service. :)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Telewest have actually announced upgrades for all their broadband customers not just the top tier.

They may say that they are giving an unlimited service but they still have usage restrictions in their terms and conditions. These are the usual restrictions that most ISPs have about not using the service to download / upload copyright material. They may not have applied the particular clause in the past and taken action against any customer for breach of it, but that is not to say that they will not use it in the future. I would imagine that most heavy users do download / upload copyright material, no matter what they say and could lose their service as a result.

So before you can comment about what is a good deal you have to wait and see how the the companies police their deals. If you are a very heavy user and your iSP wants to get rid of you they will find a way.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

Fair enough :)
BY offer 4 tiers and NTL 3, so NTL offer their customers less choice.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I've just read their AUP and the ONLY mention it makes of acceptable use on the higher tiers is about abuse of UPLOAD bandwidth.

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

In my case BD were atrocious.

However going away from that newsgroup retention is currently approximately 12 days, and groups 'missing' are intentionally omitted. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant :)

Re: [merged] New Telewest (Blueyonder) Speed
 

I think enough is enough .... this was supposed to be a realistic discussion about the TW announcement, and the benefit to TW customers.

Face it NTL and TW are two different companies, who really aren't even in competition with each other as their customer bases aren't the same. The comparisons are fruitless, pointless, and unnecessary.

On that note .... Thread closed.