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susie r 02-11-2004 19:43

XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
Havn't posted for a while but really need some guidance on this one. Windows update keeps prompting me to install this, but I'm not sure, anyone had any problems with it?? and is it easy to install!!! dont want to end up causing problems for mysef! :dunce:

Ramrod 02-11-2004 19:49

Re: XP sp2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
I'm still hanging on for a while........

susie r 02-11-2004 19:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
I'm still hanging on for a while........

Why??

iadom 02-11-2004 19:50

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Mine has been fine with SP2 for over a month now.:tu:

EDIT. I did back up to CD some stuff but installed on a system that had been running original XP for 18 months without any problems whatsoever, you just have to get used to the nannying you now get in OE and IE.

MovedGoalPosts 02-11-2004 19:52

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I've not had any significant problems with it. There are some benefits, the biggest inevitably being keeping your machine patched to reduce risks from the inevitable nastys floating around the computing world.

There are a few potentially useful additions, although equally they can be problematic, dependent on your needs. Particularly Ive found that SP2 adds Security Centre (go into control panel). That is the place for setting of further windows update stuff, but particularly windows firewall. SP2 turns that on by default, great if you don't have one, but for me, where both my home or business PCs are protected by a hardware or server firewall, one on the PC as well is a pain, so it gets turned off.

SP2 is a fairly big patch. As such it always has potential to screw up. On that basis before running it, make sure you do have backups of any critical data.

Tezcatlipoca 02-11-2004 19:52

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Some people have had endless problems with it, while others have had perfect installs.


It seems to be best if installed on a fresh install of XP, rather than on a system which has had lots of stuff installed/uninstalled over time.


Loads of threads on it...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/se...earchid=272177


I installed it recently, but only after a re-format & fresh install of XP. No problems at all.

Paul 02-11-2004 20:22

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If you do, make sure you have an image or some other way to restore your pc to it's pre SP2 state, then if it goes t*ts up, at least you can revert. :)

paulyoung666 02-11-2004 20:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D
Some people have had endless problems with it, while others have had perfect installs.


It seems to be best if installed on a fresh install of XP, rather than on a system which has had lots of stuff installed/uninstalled over time.


Loads of threads on it...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/se...earchid=272177


I installed it recently, but only after a re-format & fresh install of XP. No problems at all.


i would agree with that :tu:

skyblueheroes 02-11-2004 20:40

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I installed it ages ago - no probs.
My brother in law installed it over a coolwebsearch infected PC - fixed that and no probs.
My dad installed it - had to format and reinstall XP !

gary_580 02-11-2004 21:02

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ive installed it on all 3 of ours and not a single glitch.

Maggy 02-11-2004 21:35

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The IT technician says he is going to wait for about 6 months before installing it on the school network because it can wait until he is absolutely certain that newer updates of other software have been caught up with.That way he hopes to have less conflicts when he does upgrade.So when he upgrades I may well do so. ;)

Pea-Pod 02-11-2004 21:43

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I thought it would be a vital, necessary patch to install SP2 - with the better security fixes and features it offers.

Installed a couple of weeks ago, no problems yet. <touch wood> lol ;)

Matthew 02-11-2004 21:47

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I installed it on my laptop after I did a clean install of XP and I have not had any problems. Our Network Admin at school is installing it on systems that have been freshly installed as well as I think if he does install it on all machines there are bound to be problems.

susie r 02-11-2004 21:51

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Well thanks for all that everyone, I shall hang on for a while I think.

iadom 02-11-2004 21:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie r
Well thanks for all that everyone, I shall hang on for a while I think.

Go on, be a devil, you know you want to really....there are plenty of people here who will hold your hand.;)

hoggyspuds 02-11-2004 22:01

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I installed it after a format and reload of xp. No probs what-so-ever!. Quite like the pop up stopper though!!

susie r 02-11-2004 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom
Go on, be a devil, you know you want to really....there are plenty of people here who will hold your hand.;)

Errrrrrrrrrrr, what's a re-format & how do I do a re install of XP???..........see I really am that bad!!! :dunce:

MovedGoalPosts 02-11-2004 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie r
Errrrrrrrrrrr, what's a re-format & how do I do a re install of XP???..........see I really am that bad!!! :dunce:

At it's simplest level it means you will be completely wiping your PC of all the data held on it. So stage 1 must be to back up everything you might want (emails, letters, photos, but also any software and similar gumpf).

If you put your original windows XP CD into the drive, then switch the PC off, and on again, hopefully you will have an option come up to reboot from the CD rather than it going straight to the Hard Disk, and current windows installation. If it doesn't boot from CD, you may need to edit the boot sequence in your BOIS settings. Depending on your computer as you switch it on, before it gets as far as any windows logo, hold down the DEL, or F2 keys. Be very sure and careful of any changes you make in the BOIS as you can make some very nasty changes.

When you do get to boot from the Windows CD, you will have the option to repair or install windows. You want to install. But first when you get the option as to where to install, on which partition, you want to format the partition. You may have to delete the partition first and recreate it to force the formating. By formating you will ensure no trace of your old windows settings exist that could continue corruptions into your new setup.

hoggyspuds 02-11-2004 22:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie r
Errrrrrrrrrrr, what's a re-format & how do I do a re install of XP???..........see I really am that bad!!! :dunce:


reformat basically means wiping the hard drive, everything gone. You'll need an XP disc to reinstall.....asuming you got one for your puter!

hoggyspuds 02-11-2004 22:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts
At it's simplest level it means you will be completely wiping your PC of all the data held on it. So stage 1 must be to back up everything you might want (emails, letters, photos, but also any software and similar gumpf).

If you put your original windows XP CD into the drive, then switch the PC off, and on again, hopefully you will have an option come up to reboot from the CD rather than it going straight to the Hard Disk, and current windows installation. If it doesn't boot from CD, you may need to edit the boot sequence in your BOIS settings. Depending on your computer as you switch it on, before it gets as far as any windows logo, hold down the DEL, or F2 keys. Be very sure and careful of any changes you make in the BOIS as you can make some very nasty changes.

When you do get to boot from the Windows CD, you will have the option to repair or install windows. You want to install. But first when you get the option as to where to install, on which partition, you want to format the partition. You may have to delete the partition first and recreate it to force the formating. By formating you will ensure no trace of your old windows settings exist that could continue corruptions into your new setup.

Well said!

Richard M 02-11-2004 22:36

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I've installed it on two computers and had no problems whatsoever.
I think it's pointless people "waiting to see if my applications will work" because the majority are running 32-bit CPUs and the only minor issue with compatibilty is caused by AMD64 CPUs when you enable No-Execute extensions and a program fails, which is easy to solve when you run into it because you just click "Allow"!

MovedGoalPosts 02-11-2004 23:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
I've installed it on two computers and had no problems whatsoever.
I think it's pointless people "waiting to see if my applications will work" because the majority are running 32-bit CPUs and the only minor issue with compatibilty is caused by AMD64 CPUs when you enable No-Execute extensions and a program fails, which is easy to solve when you run into it because you just click "Allow"!

I have to agree with the not waiting to see bit. You could but meanwhile M$ are already releasing patches based on users running SP2, not earlier versions. Thus, any new major exploit from viruses, and the like may not be properly dealt with. In the meantime something like SP2 and what it does to your PC will have been extensively tested, with all mainstream software and hardware before release. Thus, unless you really do have something obscure running on your PC, I cannot see how your mainstream programs would be affected.

The bigger difficulty with any patch tends to be the numerous permutations of hardware. In my view it's more likely to be that which will kill an upgrade to SP2. I've no upgraded my home PC, laptop and all work PCs, with SP2, no difficulties, once I downloaded the full update option (so you didn't use the internet download specific to a PC). The online update was troublesome, but that's more likely to be down to the vagaries of the internet connection. Download the whole thing and install from that executable, and I rekon its OK.

Nemesis 03-11-2004 09:33

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I've now installed this on at least 10 computers without a hitch ....

I do the following before I install it ....
  • Do a disk cleanup (Right click on the drive in My computer)
  • Run Spybot S&D
  • Run Adaware SE
  • Clear out temp areas
  • Do a defrag
  • Do antivirus scan
  • Install SP2
Worked so far :D

Ramrod 03-11-2004 09:51

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Cheers Nem......I'll give it a go now :tu: :)

Halcyon 03-11-2004 10:26

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Unless you are on the internet, I see no reason to install SP2.
As long as you have SP1 and an adequate firewall, do not use Internet Explorer and Outlook as there are better more secure equivilents, then I dont think there is a need for it.

susie r 03-11-2004 10:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis
I've now installed this on at least 10 computers without a hitch ....

I do the following before I install it ....
  • Do a disk cleanup (Right click on the drive in My computer)
  • Run Spybot S&D
  • Run Adaware SE
  • Clear out temp areas
  • Do a defrag
  • Do antivirus scan
  • Install SP2
Worked so far :D

Now that sounds easier to me!!! Will try it later after Ramrod has let us know if it was ok for him ;)

Ramrod 03-11-2004 11:12

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie r
Now that sounds easier to me!!! Will try it later after Ramrod has let us know if it was ok for him ;)

It's gonna take a while to do all of that but I'll wade through it and let you know at the end :tu: :)

edit.....well, 'disc cleanup' bluescreened my pc :disturbd:

Nemesis 03-11-2004 11:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
It's gonna take a while to do all of that but I'll wade through it and let you know at the end :tu: :)

edit.....well, 'disc cleanup' bluescreened my pc :disturbd:

Your machine is notoriously dodgy anyway .... IMO it really needs a complete KDRB ..(Knock Down Re Build).

Bifta 03-11-2004 11:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis
Your machine is notoriously dodgy anyway .... IMO it really needs a complete KDRB ..(Knock Down Re Build).

Or putting into a very large dustbin bag.

Ramrod 03-11-2004 11:51

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
I know, I know..........just can't be ars*d to reformat and haven't got permission to get the Alienware yet :dozey: :D

Though it does manage to run UT2004 with all the bells and whistles turned on :shrug:

edit--found a fix for the disk cleanup crash here......seems it's a common problem with win XP

Ramrod 03-11-2004 14:30

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Disk cleanup now works..........getting close to downloading SP2 :erm: :disturbd: :D

Bifta 03-11-2004 14:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
I know, I know..........just can't be ars*d to reformat and haven't got permission to get the Alienware yet :dozey: :D

Permission? Pfft. Buy it, face the consequences later.

Ramrod 03-11-2004 15:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
Permission? Pfft. Buy it, face the consequences later.

Great idea but (to paraphrase the Blues Brothers) .....I'd look pretty stupid eating corn on the cob with no f'kin teeth :erm: :D

Anyhoo.........SP2 went on just fine.......system seems faster now as well. Probably my imagination though. :D

MadGamer 03-11-2004 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom
Mine has been fine with SP2 for over a month now.:tu:
you just have to get used to the nannying you now get in OE and IE.

I have no probs whatsoever. I did with the RC but with the final release of it. No probs at all.

Bifta 03-11-2004 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
Great idea but (to paraphrase the Blues Brothers) .....I'd look pretty stupid eating corn on the cob with no f'kin teeth :erm:

Show her it, tell her it's also ornamental, if that doesn't work, throw her out and buy it to console yourself ;)

Ramrod 03-11-2004 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
Show her it, tell her it's also ornamental, if that doesn't work, throw her out and buy it to console yourself ;)

Yes, but who would feed the kids and cook and clean then? Not to mention the sex........I'm too old to go on the pull these days, besides I'm useless at chatting up women:D

Bifta 03-11-2004 16:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
Yes, but who would feed the kids and cook and clean then? Not to mention the sex........I'm too old to go on the pull these days, besides I'm useless at chatting up women:D

Okso .. buy it, then do the whole Dr. Evil thing when she starts to complain.

susie r 07-11-2004 13:54

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Just installed it this morning, went on fine & no probs so far, so thanks Ramrod for being my Guinea pig !!! ;)

Vlad_Dracul 07-11-2004 14:01

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
I have installed SP2 and all the updates as they come along. The SP2 upgrade was via a cover disk on a recent copy of a pc magazine,much less tedious than over the net. It worked fine,no probs

Simcut 07-11-2004 14:09

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what I want to know is, does Joint Operations Typhoon Rising work with SP2, when I tried SP2 beforei t didnt work, it just had a black screen and no menus or anything appeared... the intro movie with the choppier didnt even play either... :(

Church Mouse 07-11-2004 14:26

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Hello,

SP2 has automatically downloaded to my pc but I have not yet installed it. I have also got a cd from Microsoft, will it be better to use the cd or to install the download, and should AVG and ZoneAlarm (free) be disabled during installation.
I would like to install Sp2 but after reading of many problems I have been a bit nervous about doing it, but everyone here seems more positive.

Thanks

Church Mouse

susie r 07-11-2004 16:31

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Church Mouse
Hello,

SP2 has automatically downloaded to my pc but I have not yet installed it. I have also got a cd from Microsoft, will it be better to use the cd or to install the download, and should AVG and ZoneAlarm (free) be disabled during installation.
I would like to install Sp2 but after reading of many problems I have been a bit nervous about doing it, but everyone here seems more positive.

Thanks

Church Mouse

Well I'm no expert, but I installed from the auto update with no problems at all, I use pc cillin anti virus & left it running during the installation,.

cookie_365 07-11-2004 17:00

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Church Mouse
Hello,

SP2 has automatically downloaded to my pc but I have not yet installed it. I have also got a cd from Microsoft, will it be better to use the cd or to install the download, and should AVG and ZoneAlarm (free) be disabled during installation.
I would like to install Sp2 but after reading of many problems I have been a bit nervous about doing it, but everyone here seems more positive.

Thanks

Church Mouse

Well, I've also got ZA and AVG free - I yanked the cable out of the back of the CM, turned off both, and did the update. SP2 has its own security centre that recognised both ZA and AVG (when I put the cable back in, of course ;) ) so I reckon I could have just left them running, but it only takes a few minutes to install so why risk it?

Everything is fine so far; Shareaza's a bit slow downloading though I don't know whether it's just the particular files I'm d/l ing or the infamous SP2 half open connection limit ... I'm sure as hell not going to install some dodgy TCP/IP patch to find out .... ! :Yikes:

Ramrod 07-11-2004 20:14

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie r
Just installed it this morning, went on fine & no probs so far, so thanks Ramrod for being my Guinea pig !!! ;)

Glad to be of service :D
edit...and really glad it went well for both of us!

timewarrior2001 08-11-2004 14:03

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
I installed it last week after putting it off for a while.

I've had no problems what so ever. But i do get a little narked at some of the warnings that appear because of the firewall. Still small price to pay.

Ramrod 08-11-2004 14:06

Re: XP SP2 Should I or shouldn't I?
 
I find the information bar to be very intrusive. I had a hell of a time trying to get it to allow active x on a trusted site. :mad:

Graham M 08-11-2004 14:58

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Yes you should. Simple answer to the thread :)


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