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Millay 25-10-2004 12:47
Domain Registration Costs.
 
Do all Doamin registrars register domain names at a loss.

Having had a look at nominet, it seems to me that the cheapest you can register a .co.uk name is £75 + VAT. How does this work then?

Seeing as I can register through a company my .co.uk domain name for £7.50 + VAT

Many thanks
Andy

Graham M 25-10-2004 12:48
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
You can register a .co.uk domain through www.1and1.co.uk for £3.98 for 2 years + VAT. So Im not sure how this can be possible.

Millay 25-10-2004 12:57
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
This is my point, basically i run a small hosting business, with someone else, and we ar ecurrently paying £7.50 per .co.uk domain name to register, do we trhought wewould look at getting an IPS-TAG etc.. but it seems prohibtavly expensive.... £75 + VAT per domain.

SMHarman 25-10-2004 13:41
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
The nominet costs you are looking at are direct registration, not becoming your own tag with electronic registration.
The £75 includes them doing all the data capture, sending certs etc. The more you register the cheaper it gets, so they are not selling at a loss just a very small profit, and small profits on many sales = £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£.

You need to become a member
http://www.nominet.org.uk/Members/HowToJoin/
£400
Then the costs of using the automaton
http://www.nominet.org.uk/Members/BenefitsOfMembership/
£5 per registration.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/TagHolders...iningATag.html
Looking at your post 3 you would need to be registering 160 names a year
400 / (7.50-5) = 160 before break even.
Unless you are selling loads of names looks like you are still better off using a third party.

Millay 25-10-2004 14:09
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Thank you for your help.. means some companies do sell at a loss, obviously making money on the acssociated services they sell..

SMHarman 25-10-2004 14:18
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Millay
Thank you for your help.. means some companies do sell at a loss, obviously making money on the acssociated services they sell..
The headline price is never the price. It's easyjet style pricing, Register for 1p (plus £1 a month DNS Admin fee) ooh that now £12.01 a year. A profit.

Mr_love_monkey 25-10-2004 14:36
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
The headline price is never the price. It's easyjet style pricing, Register for 1p (plus £1 a month DNS Admin fee) ooh that now £12.01 a year. A profit.
But by the same token, some companies out there, do sell cheaply, and don't rip you off with dns charges and so on.

As was said, it really just comes down to bulk - you get enough people buying domains your prices come down - you'll find a lot of places will run at a loss first of all to build up the customer base, so that over time the wholesale prices comes down to something more reasonable. You just need a large bank balance to carry it through.

The domain market has become incredibly tough recently, with more and more companies having to try and encourage customers with other things, such as hosting, email and so on.

SMHarman 25-10-2004 15:03
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
I was pointing out how some do it. I've just had a look at my UK2.net invoices, they are pretty fair, for a .co.uk the invoice breaks down to a
£5 Nominet Fee (so at cost)
£3.98 DNS (so thats 16p a month for 2 years) and all they can see as contribution to profit.

Millay 25-10-2004 15:08
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
yea, that sounds about write, its worth noting for the unwise that, anything less than £5 gor domain registration, is going to include extra costs somewhere along the line...

Mr_love_monkey 25-10-2004 15:10
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
I was pointing out how some do it.
Yeah, I know :) - To be honest the rip off merchants that charge you stupid amounts for dns updates, and then charge you a fee when you want to moce your domain to another company really annoy me, and give the rest of us a bad name. :mad:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Millay
yea, that sounds about write, its worth noting for the unwise that, anything less than £5 gor domain registration, is going to include extra costs somewhere along the line...
Not to blow my own trumpet or anything, but there's no hidden charges with mine. That's a promise

Millay 25-10-2004 15:20
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Is yours the link that you use as the link in your footer. if so nice prices...

Mr_love_monkey 25-10-2004 15:22
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Millay
Is yours the link that you use as the link in your footer. if so nice prices...
Yep, that's me....thanks :)

To be fair, I get beaten by some on the .co.uk, but I think for most other ones I'm fairly well priced...

Millay 25-10-2004 15:56
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
IO think as this thread has covered, its doesnt matter squat how cheap your domain registration is... its more to do with what do you get with that and what are the hidden prices... £7.50 seems to be around about the correct pricefor no hdden charges as it were..

El Diablo 10-11-2004 02:21
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
The nominet costs you are looking at are direct registration, not becoming your own tag with electronic registration.
The £75 includes them doing all the data capture, sending certs etc. The more you register the cheaper it gets, so they are not selling at a loss just a very small profit, and small profits on many sales = £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£.

You need to become a member
http://www.nominet.org.uk/Members/HowToJoin/
£400
Then the costs of using the automaton
http://www.nominet.org.uk/Members/BenefitsOfMembership/
£5 per registration.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/TagHolders...iningATag.html
Looking at your post 3 you would need to be registering 160 names a year
400 / (7.50-5) = 160 before break even.
Unless you are selling loads of names looks like you are still better off using a third party.
But that's only for the first year... Spread the initial additional £300 cost out and it's not nearly as difficult to break even over a couple of years.

Budget for £200 per year for the first 3 years which will cover your initial registration of £400 and 2 years at £100... Then you could say 200 / (7.50 -5) = 80 for those three years and subsequent years at 100 / (7.50 - 5) = 40 to break even... much simpler...

SMHarman 10-11-2004 09:27
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Diablo
But that's only for the first year... Spread the initial additional £300 cost out and it's not nearly as difficult to break even over a couple of years.

Budget for £200 per year for the first 3 years which will cover your initial registration of £400 and 2 years at £100... Then you could say 200 / (7.50 -5) = 80 for those three years and subsequent years at 100 / (7.50 - 5) = 40 to break even... much simpler...
Good point.

stamp92 15-11-2004 00:31
Re: Domain Registration Costs.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Millay
Do all Domain registrars register domain names at a loss.
i think ull find that domain registration companies pay nominet only about £5 per domain. companies make money through advertisments and the hope that the person will buy additional services from them like webspace, ecommerce tools etc


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