The new iMac G5
 

http://www.apple.com/uk/imac

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• Available in 1.6GHz 17", 1.8GHz 17" and 1.8GHz 20" models
• Up to 2GB RAM
• Combo drive on 1.6GHz model
• Superdrive on 1.8GHz models
• VGA, S-Video and composite outputs

UK pricing not yet known as the Apple Store page is currently being updated.

I WANT ONE!!!!

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frankly i think the new design is a joke, its big and ugly not at all apple. The bottom of the screen is horrid, makes you want to be sick! look how big the white space is! Then theres the thick backing, the only good thing is that you can mount it on a wall so you could have a wireless display set up with the computer on the walll!

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Makes you want to be :sick:

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It's pretty incredible when you think about it, although they probably used laptop technology to make the thing.
Forget about upgrades if you buy one though.

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How is that different to any previous iMac? ;)

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Thus spake a committed Mac hater. :dozey: If the worst you can say about it is there's lots of white space on the front, then I'd say it's a pretty good machine altogether.

I bought an 'original' iMac five years ago. I've upgraded the memory twice without any problems. I've considered expandnig my available HDD space but kept putting it off - if I needed to, I would have to buy an external model, but that's no big problem for me.

The original iMac had ethernet, firewire and USB built in at a time when a great many PCs were lumbered with serial and parallel ports and a modem if you were lucky. It avoided the need for upgrading by being cutting edge.

The majority of PC users don't want to geek around inside their case and add new cards, drives and whatever. ;) They just want something that they can plug in, will work straight away and will keep working. That's what the iMac is designed to do, and that's what it does. Speaking as someone who has one, I can say it does it very well indeed.

We're thinking of buying a new one next year, by which time I think my indigo classic iMac will have more than represented value for money. I know exactly what I'm going to be replacing it with. :drool:

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Basic starts at £919 , top model starts at £1,349, but probably costs more like £1,650 once you add bigger HDD, bluetooth, wireless networking etc.

All told, not bad for a 64-bit 1.6Ghz or 1.8Ghz machine. :)

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Hey! I use a powerbook, i am not a mac hater. I like macs but i that doesnt mean i have to praise apple for every product they produce. I was saying i do not like the new design of the imac because of the amount of white space at the bottom and how thick it is, i think the G4 design was better.

The only way i would like the look of the new imac is if it was mounted on the wall with a wireless set up but on a desk the montior is huge compared to other apple displays

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Personally, if I had £1,650 to spend on a PC, I wouldn't waste it on a bit of junk like that, you get much more for your money with a 64bit based PC.

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Cant argue there :D ;)

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on other pcs you cant put a screen on the wall that is completely wireless. Internet, mouse, keyboard, computer in screen! alll wirless

Also the power may be slower buts macs are diffrenet they are more about design, reliable, and easy to use. They do everything PCs can do and also contain a lot of things bulit in, (bluetooth, wireless in bulit, etc etc) they are diffrenet so comparing them to a normal pc is stupid.

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I don't think the ability to mount something on a wall would be a selling point for me, neither would it being what looks like almost legacy free. As for things like bluetooth and wireless, you can add them to a PC for next to nothing, as I recall, it cost me £2.50 to add a bluetooth dongle to my machine.

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I'd like to play with a mac for the day to see what all the fuss is about...

My missus would love a mac - but purely because of the way they look.

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Again theres more to mac than that, theres the use, the style and the OS all these things you dont get on a pc. Using a mac REALLY does feel diffrenet

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i quite like it, though its lost the funky swivel of the old imac it is darn small.
I am supprised they've managed to squeeze the toast'y g5 in there, that must have some special cooling, that or its an equivelent mobile chip (ppc970 aka g5 is very very similar to the amd a64)
For those saying its hughe, huh ? the entire machine is in that screen yes its twice the thickness of a normal screen but think about, they've got the entire computer in thickness of an lcd space. The cd/dvd draw alone will require that sort of space alone.

Its a traditional thing for an imac to be an all in one unit, put this up against an orignal imac (crt) and it'll look miniscule.

I would be worried about it clogging up with dust and overheating as the old g4 imac filled up with the stuff and had some issues, and the workstation g5 has overheating problems as it is even with its extravegent cooling system

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It'd need to feel like a pair of Mink underpants for that price/spec.

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What do Mink undies feel like ;):D

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You would spend a fair bit of that on a 1440*900 17 in widescreen tft though.

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the £1,350 imac is 20inch. Its actually i good price

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Junk? I'm sure you can make a case for saying your choice of PC is better than the new iMac, but I think 'junk' is more than a little strong. You may not prefer it, but to say it's completely useless is a little wide of the mark. Pardon me if I'm not meant to take you too literally, of course. :)

But insofar as you were replying to my comment that the price wasn't bad for a 64-bit machine: bearing in mind that the iMac is designed for Joe Average PC User, who just wants to use a computer and not worry about it or fiddle with it, can you get a much better deal on a 64-bit PC from the kind of outlet Joe Average frequents (PC World and similar), without any of the customising and PC building that some of the folks on this site enjoy as a hobby or do for a living? Bear in mind not just the restricted number of places you would buy such a machine but also build quality and brand image. Apple is not a budget brand. I did say 'not bad', not 'cheapest'.

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This is starting to resemble the tail end of this thread from last week.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...3&page=1&pp=15

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I think you can argue it very easily. As I keep saying, a lot of people on this forum come at it from the point of view of someone who acutally enjoys taking PCs to bits and rebuilding/enhancing them. The iMac is not aimed at these people.

I don't sit in my lounge resenting my TV because I can't open it up, take out the analogue tuner and replace it with a Freeview one. When I replace my TV, I won't go looking for all the components seperately and construct my own, even though I could if I wanted to. I suspect you wouldn't either. (The fact that the battery in your iPod isn't user replaceable didn't stop you buying one, either ;) )

The iMac is a piece of consumer electronics, designed to do a specific job in as simple and elegant a way as possible, and it does it very well indeed. Its principal handicap is not the fact you can't upgrade it, it's that Microsoft has, for the time being, 'won' the OS war to such an extent that Mac OS is (quite unfairly) seen as something to be avoided by home users. (and, back to your iPod, the fact that its OS restricts the kinds of files you can play on it, and the desktop software you use to manage it, didn't stop you buying it).

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Actually, bifta can you try can you find a pc that has the following for £1556? Go on try and match this set up

1.8GHz PowerPC G5 (64 Bit)
1GB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load SuperDrive (dvd reader and burner)
Built in bluetooth and wireless
20inch widescreen TFT

and remember that this also has the great design, the size, the computer being inside the montior and of course MAC OSX and dont forget that the PowerPC 1.8 works faster than a normal 1.8ghz

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What are the noticable differences with a 64 bit processor?

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actually the POWER range is for professionals who wanna tinker with their com'puter. The iRange is for avaerge joes iPod, iLife, iBook etc etc

They are excellent quaility as well and have mac osx which is a great OS. Those who bush macs usuallly have no real understanding. I just dont like the imac design with the huge white border on the new one

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Hmm ... prolly worth re-posting the article that was linked from the last post in that thread, which discusses the relative costs of Mac and PC:

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/36120.html

This topic, of course, is about the new iMac, and more generally whether the iMac is A Good Thing. It was a bit of an off-topic diversion in a Win2k vs XP thread ... :erm:

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Not many, unless the app you're running is written to take advantage of all those extra bits. But if you take two machines, both 1.8GHz but one 32bit and one 64 bit, and run Photoshop on them both (I think PS has been optimised for 64 bit, someone shout if I'm wrong), the 64 bit machine will leave the 32 bit version eating dust, so to speak. Very noticeable indeed.

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Well the monitor is £605, so im pretty sure that the spec for price is beatable, i mean the monitor has got to be the most expensive part here, and still got £900 (or so) to spend!

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A good quality PC? including 64 bit 1.8 processor, 1gb ram, 160gb HD, Wireless and bluetooth, dvd burner and wireless keyboard and mouse?

Then factor in the quility of the stuff and also the fact that it is all in one slick montior? I think the mac is a good price

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£150 AMD (Newcastle) Athlon 64bit 3200+ 754pin 512 L2cache OEM CPU
£65 Abit KV8 SKT 754 K8T800 SATA Gig LAN ATX Raid Sound OTES Retail Box
£120 Kingston 1gb 400MHz DDR Non-ECC CL3 (3-3-3) DIMM (Kit 2)
£12 Microsol Black Multimedia Wireless Keyboard And Mouse Combo
£670 Iiyama Prolite E511S-B 20.1ins TFT TCO99 Black
£42 XFX Geforce FX5200 128MB DDR AGP8x TV-Out Low Profile Retail Box
£72 Western Digital 160gb Serial ATA150 7200rpm 8mb Cache- OEM
£63 **Special Offer** Benq DW1Ebuyer USB2.0 High Speed Combo USB2.0 £20 Firewire PCI Card with 3xUSB Ports and 2xports IEEE 1394610 Dual 16x DVD-R/RW - Retail
£27 Belkin 802.11g Wireless PCI Adapter
£17 D-Link USB Bluetooth Adapter
£20 Casecom KG-828 400watt Silver ATX Case with USB and Audio
£99 Microsoft Windows Xp Pro With Sp2a OEM
£1377
This was a very quick and dirty, so probably missed things and the components may not work together blah blah but you might just about save £180 (this is priced on ebuyer). Also note this is not a widescreen display etc.
Makes it look pretty good value.

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if for one, really like the new design, i do like the old design more tho. i can say i will be getting one when they get released. does anyone know when that is?


i have always used a pc and always thought mac's were overpriced and no different from a pc until i bought my g4 powerbook and things are completly different, the os is so so cool

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released mid-september.

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cheers ;)

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Both you and I know I could easily build a higher spec machine than that for less, but if you really want me to show you up, can you let me know if that's £1,556 ex or inc. vat, and where you found the price, ta.

You want to look at something nice, go buy a copy of Playboy, and I personally would rather have the guts of my PC not built into my screen.

And what about it? I couldn't give two sh*tes for OSX, sorry, I think I'll carry on using the most widely supported OS in the world (software wise) as opposed to something with barely any software releases in comparison.

And don't forget that a 1.8ghz Athlon "works faster than a normal 1.8ghz"

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look up the speed tests the 1.8 powerpc wipes the floor with higher 64 bit processors.

You can find the apple tests at their site or go around inderpendent hardware sites.

£1556 is including VAT

And why dont you actually try using MAC OSX before you blast it, it may not have a wide range of software but with the inbuilt componants of mac osx you dont need it

I can edit movies, make dvd menus and burn a dvd, buy and burn music, surf the net with a effective firewall and no fear of viruses, store photographs in a computer album that allows serchs, slideshows etc etc, of course i can voice chat as all powerbooks come with inbulit mic, sync my contacts with my phone, use a far superior email client to the IE one, oh calender, pdfs read with any programs, quicktime is great, I can play dvds without additonal software

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Ahmen


You know im going mac soon with windows balls ups and issues my mates with e-macs even are running better then i am :D

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So er .. do you want to tell me something you can do that I can't do under windows? I can edit movies, I can make DVD menu's, I can burn DVD's, buy and burn music, I surf the net with a better firewall than you have, and it's not OS dependent, who give's a sh*te about a gimmicky gallery? (not me, that's for sure), you can voice chat? oooooh, nearly EVERY laptop comes with a mike and inbuilt speakers, I sync my contacts with my phone using a £2.50 bluetooth dongle, a calender? Outlook 2003 works perfectly, you should try it, PDF's read with any programs? Huh? I can read PDF's with Photoshop, Acrobat Reader (free), or plenty of other free PDF tools, quicktime? Don't make me laugh! I'd rather install AOL that QT.

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You're completely missing the point. Most people don't know how to build their own machines and they don't want to know, either. The iMac is designed for these people.

If I want a TV, I buy a TV, not a monitor, a sound system and a tuner. If I want a sports car, I'll buy an MGF, not a Caterham 7.

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I challenge anyone who has any Mac G5 to benchmark against me... ;)
(AMD Athlon64 FX-53 overclocked to 2.52GHz)

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LOL


but with windows you get 100 fixes per month unreliable kit....countless upgrades

never mind the 5month format thing which it likes to run.. :D

Face it Mac is better then windows and Windows better then MAc depends on what you want....for me I am going Mac :D

Yes MAc i am going Mac gotta love it MAc mac mac mac :D :LOL:

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I'm sorry, I have to disagree, I've built countless PC's for completely technophobic people in the last 5-6 years and not one of them even mentioned a mac let alone considered buying one. As I recall, one of my friends did own a powermac along with his 486 DX2 a fair few years back, quite characteristically, the powermac sat unused until he took it to the local tip.


Me too, but I don't view my PC setup as a some kind of domestic appliance like the I-toilet.

Heh, if I want a sports car, I'll buy a proper sports car, not an MGF ;)

An MGF? £*!"(à ƒÆ’‚£*("!

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Only since using a BSD kernel. :dozey:
Before that it was crap.
Besides, as much as I admire people for choosing an alternate OS (I'm an Amiga and open source advocate), people only choose Macs because "they look so pretty!!!" :rolleyes:

Eh?
A Caterham 7 is as "sports car" as you can get - it's up there with TVR.
An MGF is a hairdresser's/gay man's/woman's car.

I do. :D

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, 99% of problems under Windows are caused by user error. And what 5 month format? I've got a laptop that's been running Windows XP for 2 years, I've never reformatted the drive and it's running as well now as it ever did. (runs windows XP pro with 128 meg of ram on a P3 450mhz perfectly!)

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I do like OS X. It is very stable (mostly), and very good on the eyes. But what I find rather odd is that for some Unix/Linux aplications, it is easier to find a port to Windows under Cygwin, than it is to find one to OS X under Fink. It may be due to market penetration, but I recently had to try and compile an application for OS X (not available through Fink), which failed miserably and cost me two days. I had the Windows port up and running in less than an hour.

There's usability for you :)

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Have a look at this:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...49,pg,8,00.asp

You'll probably not be surprised ;) (and no it's not THAT PC world)

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Superb, so because mine's an FX-53 overclocked by 5% I should be beating a dual G5 by a fair bit. :cool:

EDIT: OK make that "beating a dual G5 by a lot".
I just realized that even the FX-51 beats it by a mile - confusing benchmark scoring there...

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No, read the post. I said that i can do all that stuff WITHOUT having to buy any programs to all comes built in with mac osx as you have mentioned you need a lot of programs to do that with windows. If i wanna but a really good firewall i can.

like i said all the features needed are already in mac osx, you listed loads and loads of programs to do the same stuff but how much would that cost? Suddendly the mac isnt so expensive....

bbut if i still want to buy programs, not got windows? no problem...

Norton? Check
Photoshop? Check
Acrobat Reader? Check (i dont need any programs to read PDFS though)
Word? Check
Excel? Check
Outlook? Check (again i have a good calander 'ical' for free with mac osx, no need to spend £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£Ãƒââ‚ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ if i dont want to)
Powerpoint? Check
Final cut pro? Check! that one is even made by apple
IE? Check
MSN? Check
Firefox? Check
Windows media? why, check again!

Try using mac OSX before attacking it. Try reserching mac OSX before making presumtations about it. And try to check how much alll the programs you would need to buy to match the funcationality of mac osx would cost

Bifta you are very skilled at computers but please dont attack another OS/computer without good cause :)

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I understand that macs have there place in the media industry, but tbh only the real average joe would buy one at that price over a PC. Yeah, I know the PPC processors can perform CERTAIN tasks better and faster than there equivlient AMD/P4's... but looking at it wholly a PC is far better.. and far more can be had for the price.. not much for there designs either.. White gets grubby rather easily :erm:

For the price that you quoted, you could have this;

AMD Athlon FX53 - £587.44
IIyama Vision Master Pro 454 19" CRT - £245.93
OCZ 1GB (2x512MB) PC4000 Dual Channel Gold Series - £260.81
Abit ATI Radeon X800 XT PE 256MB DDR3 VIVO TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - £375.94
Asus DRW-0804P 8x DVD±R/±RW ReWriter - £46.94
Asus A8V Deluxe - £85.21
CoolerMaster Centurion - £35.21
Antec TruePower 430W PSU - £63.80
Logitech Cordless Desktop MX - £73.97
Creative Inspire 5.1 P580 Speakers - £39.36

Comes in at ; £1533

Granted that doesn't contain office, etc.. but its a heck of a system and beats a G5 down hands down at everything bar the media side of things.. Yet.. how much faster is the G5 at these things? I'm not sure, but I'd guess its pretty nominal... so again, a PC seems a better bargain. Can't really say Graphics is an issue with the G5.. as they arent based at games. But the FX5200 is a low end graphics card these days .. and it only contains PC3200 memory, my specs got most defiently HIGHER quality memory.. as well as it being a heck of a lot faster if used properley.

With the above spec, I'd probably change the FX-53 to a AMD64 3400.. which would save me around 350 squids to get some more equip ;)

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Is that it? Is that your definitive list of software that's cross compatible with OSX? A very poor show, and how on EARTH do you know that I haven't tried OSX? Strikes me that you're the one making presumptions, not me. But, at the end of the day, if you want to use an underpowered, overpriced hunk of plastic that's got more form than function, it's entirely your choice, me, I'll carry on using my ugly workhorse.

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Why on earth would you want to use IE on a Mac, nevermind a Windows PC? :disturbd:

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It doesn't just beat "it", it beats "them", apart from the photoshop test, it trounces a DUAL 2ghz G5 system ;) Now, I had a quick look on Kelkoo and a dual g5 system (2ghz) rolls in at about £1900, how much did yours cost?

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Those statements saying mac osx lacks function pretty much shows you havent used it for a extended amount of time. Also trying to claim that the list i provided was the only applications availble is laughable although i belive it was just a cheap shot.

Mac osx has a lot of applications, more than i can list on the forum. There are currently oveer 10,000 avaible for mac.

Here is just a taster of those programs

http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/applications/

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About £1100 I think.

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So what would that be? About a 1000th of the applications you can get for X86 systems? As I said, underpowered, overpriced, go look at the benchmark link I posted where a system nearly half the price sh*tes all over the G5.

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its not about 'power' in the sense of a few crappy tests, other tests shows that Powermac G5s are also on top of tables they vary

Its the OSX, the quaility of the hardware, the designs and the evoulations apple comes up with

GUI and the mouse both started with the first macintosh and the ipod has spured MP3 massivly

if it was over priced people wouldnt buy it, yet it is used by creative professionals a lot and when people buy they first mac they usually keep getting macs. So something must be going on instead of this 'overpriced, not very powerful drivel from windows fans who seem to llove attacking macs. I dont mind windows and i belive mac osx is good for compitation (after all windows steals a llot of ideas from apple, remember folders?)

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Show me these tests! (and I'm not interested in bullsh*t benchmarks from Apples site)

What evolutions? What has a mac got that a PC can't have?

You need to get your facts straight, gui's started with Xerox and Apple Lisa (not mac)

Now you're making sense! It is, and I won't

Yep graphic designers go into agencies with more money than sense, and they're too blinkered to try anything else in the future.

They are overpriced and they are underpowered, the benchmarks I posted prove that.

So does the Amiga OS, so does BeOS, so does every single window manager for *nix, what's your point?

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I thought i would join this debate about the mac's lol

I have to agree with bifta to a cetain extent. Mac's are generally overpriced and dont offer near enough features to what a x86 based system has to offer - especially in the games area. Ive yet to see any decent games for the mac, apart from Quake and Call of Duty (a few others).
But there are reasons for this. The lack of software is down to the fact that not many people by macs as windows/linux has taken over the majority of home/office computers and therefore its not profitable for a company to port a piece of software over to the mac (also hence why there arnt any decent games titles for the mac).
Also, the whole deal of the mac being overpriced is because only a limited amount of software is available, majority of it being professional workstation type software such as Photoshop, DAW software (protools, Logic Audio etc), and therefore apple has targeted the whole mac and their G systems to these professionals...hence why the big prices for the machines (because they know these people can afford them etc).

However, back to the pc vs mac.....well for my studio gear i would love to get a mac to run all my audio software, especially my whole DigiDesign protools systems because it runs about 100x better than it does on XP, and xp crashes on me every other day :( However, a decent mac will cost be nearly 2k (without screens)...and for that, i can get a dual 19"LCD, dual CPU pc system, that will be nearly as good and cheaper than a G5, and i can live with the crashes everyother day, as the money saved can go towards a new piece of equipment (mic, efx unit etc).

However, if i ever get the cash to spare i will be joining the whole mac group, but only for my professional apps. I could never use it as an everyday system because there just isnt enough software and games to keep me busy and happy with the system. Hence, why i will always have a pc, even if i did buy a mac :)

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A true gamer would never buy a Mac.

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yes because theres not games for the mac :rolleyes: If you could get every title that was available to a pc and hardware vendors made drivers for all of their stuff, then i dont see what could stop a gamer using a G5 mac :)

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what, apart from the better performance you get from gaming with a PC? ;)

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Apart from the high prices and low-end crappy graphics cards...

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Adobe, that one time cornerstone of Mac'ishness advise people to buy PC's over Mac's.

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5060

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Again power over 1) reliabilty 2) looks 3) quality


And most of all each user has there own needs some just want a pc to use dial up for hotmail and to write documents.

Others want hardcore high res Anti Alias gaming with super graphics and mega fast Broadband connections.

All ends up what you want...for most users I find I-Mac's are a better choice for the average user, and when I went pc world recently at Oldham i was speaking to someone who actually was interested in what I wanted..who recommend a E-Mac £499 and I have tested one there and am now seriously thinkin of getting one for online work and keeping the windows one for offline stuff such as messin with the primitive thing which is windows lol..

But each to there own :LOL:

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tbh, there are no benchmarks for games under a mac because there isnt any, so we dont know if a pc will beat it or not :rolleyes:

And graphics card vendors havnt made there stuff compatiable because there isnt a decent games to run on a mac, hence its not profitable for them to do this.
Its just simple business at the end of the day....and if Nvidia did go out of their way to make their graphics cards compatiable with macs, then im sure alot of people/gamers would make the swap.

what im trying to say is, if software/hardware was made available to both x86 systems and macs then whats stopping people using a mac as you would a pc?

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:tu: good one mate

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http://www.barefeats.com/p4game.html

That's because people have sense enough not to buy Apple products.

Correct, but they won't go out of their way because the userbase for mac's will always be miniscule.

As you said, simple business, if I were a software developer who came up with an idea for some revolutionary bit of software, what would I do? Would I develop it for the market that'll generate the most sales? Or go bankrupt and flog it to Mac users?

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There's nothing low quality about my PC, my components are excellent, I have a decent Asus Nforce 2 motherboard, a £200 7.1 soundcard, 500 gig of storage on 2 new Seagate drives, a 54g wireless NIC, a Radeon 9800 pro (which is about the only thing that let's me down), a gig of low latency 400mhz ram and a decent PSU, the motherboard, video card and processor are cooled using over 200 quids worth of kit, and if that's not enough for you, look at RichardM's spec. I'm pretty sure I can live without a plastic case. And reliability? Sorry man, if you can't maintain a windows PC properly, that's your problem, poor workman and all that.[/quote]

How and why?

You took the recommendation from someone who works in PC World? I can't really add anything to that.

edit: Come back Chris T, all is forgiven!!!

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Yeah, real "low quality"... :dozey:
http://www.richardm.co.uk/images/for...%20(Small).jpg
See below link for more:
http://www.richardm.co.uk/images/forums_etc/FX53/

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:D

OT - That corsair ram? What timings do you get off that ? & run the 1mb Super Pi, would be interested to see what you get :p

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2,5,2,2 and 6 min, 26 seconds on the 8MB.

Update: OK I get 36 seconds on the 1MB with loads of programs like MSN and SETI running. Is that good?

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There was a comp on OCUK forums with the 1mb Super Pi..

http://g0ng0r.com/pics/ocuk_superpi_top50.png (Thats some of the results)

I think Seti/MSN, etc affect it alot.. you'l probably get in the region of 32 secs with that overclock at the minute. Is that your max overclock with stock cooling, or can you push it further ?

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I can take it further, up to 2.57 has been my max ATM but I don't have an AGP lock on this board so I can't take it any further. :(
I know one guy on the OCUK forums who has his at 3GHz. :eek:
Mine was at 5th place I think but that might have dropped a bit now:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...58#post2933358

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Best be getting a new board and squeezing whatever you can outta it then :D

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:rofl:

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I is here :D

The number of threads on forums right across the internet prove only one thing - that there are PC lovers and there are Mac lovers, and never the twain shall meet. Different things appeal to different people.

In my case, the thing has to look good ... Mrs T won't have it in the house, otherwise. The promise of an iMac was the only reason I was allowed to buy a new machine five years ago! (incidentally, Mrs T snorted at the screen while I was posting last night and said she bet you couldn't build a PC that looked as pretty as an iMac does ;) )

There is also the home-building/maintaining aspect ... fair point about the MGF, it was late, I was tired ... you get the point I was making though, not everybody considers being able to build it yourself to be a positive selling point.

Yes, Microsoft has pretty much trounced Apple, for the time being at least, but I still reckon that given a level playing field Mac OS, and the iMac, would fare vastly better against Windows XP than it currently does. M$ has been trying to make its OS more like Mac for years now, precisely because it knows that this is what the customer wants. In that sense, all you hardened XP users have Apple to thank ;) :D

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Not sure what you mean by a level playing field, as in same speed processors etc? If that's the case, the Athlon FX-53 runs at 2.2ghz, it was benchmarked against a DUAL 2ghz G5 and left it in it's dust (even running that awfully slow Microsoft Windows ;))

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Why are we, mac users, wrong to use a mac because you, a windows user, tell us that we are stupid and wrong to use a mac?

Surely we are best placed to pass jugdement on the mac rather than you?

But why do you feel best placed to tell us that macs are crap? we are the users of the products so we should know best.

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Nope, I was thinking about market penetration etc ... clearing away Bill Gates' canny business dealings and some of Jobs' less canny ones, and presenting them as two complete products with an equal amount of software available ... based purely on the look, feel and performance of the systems as consumer products (which is not how you see it, but is certainly how the majority do).

As for the processor issue, I concede, Apple's been caught with its pants down here. Raw power has always been at the core of its proposition to professional users, I wonder whether it has been distracted with its chip supply chain problems over the last couple of years. Don't forget, though, that the iMac is a consumer machine, and should be compared with similarly priced consumer PCs, not top-of-the-range workstations.

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How about we compare it with Richards £1100 machine? ;)

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If you're going to take part in this debate, at least give your replies some substance, take a lesson from Chris T.

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If he bought it as a complete, all-in-one package and hasn't had to have the case open to add anything, why not ... but only if it also passes the Mrs Towny test as well (it needs to look pretty).

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How about if he'd built it for someone else, who would have then purchased it as a complete unit?

There's a fair few cases on the market now that even my mrs. wouldn't object to having around the house (as opposed to my radioactive looking antec)

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No, this is part of my point ... you get the iMac from a retailer who is your single recourse if/when it needs support of any kind, and who may offer an extended warranty (My iMac was covered by John Lewis for two years, IIRC), up to and incuding just replacing the entire thing if it dies.

I know you can get a high-spec PC damn cheap from Richard, yourself or any one of a large number of people (my first PC, a 286 I got in 1992, was assembled by the IT specialist at my dad's work), but that's the case with a lot of things in life if you're prepared to put the effort in. I could save a fortune building my own house instead of buying one, but I don't want to (extreme example, I know). Most people do want an iToilet, and are prepared to pay a little more to get it. I think the fair comparison here is between an iMac and a comparable Dell PC, as was used in the article I linked yesterday.

I'm not letting Mrs T see them because I just like OSX and I don't wanna change ;) TBH it's as much the all-in-one aspect of it as anything else ... she'd never let me have a Power Mac, because despite being a very smart piece of kit, it is the traditional separate box and monitor.

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I don't think that's a fair example at all tbh, Dell's build quality and spec's have degraded severely over the last few years, I personally, if I had to buy a machine prebuilt from a large e-tailer would avoid Dell and go for someone like Carrera, Mesh, Evesham or Alienware.

You need to stick your foot down Nedworth ;)

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I have to admit, I like the new iMac. I wouldn't buy one, but then I am not in the target market as I would wish to upgrade at some point.

But, I will say that in my experience, bluetooth and wireless networking are far more reliable under Mac OSX than under XP (even with service pack 2).

I also like the idea of a almost totally wireless computer..

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Our new house has one more bedroom than our current one, but as we're planning to have a proper guest room and a bigger family, we don't want to put the computer in one of the bedrooms any more. That means we're a little stuck for a study or home office-type room, which is a bummer as I have a nice computer desk with slots, holes etc for all the cabling, that really isn't going to fit anywhere now.

We had started thinking about looking at a laptop for our next computer but with this new iMac I think we can dispense with that. I love the idea of perching it on the coffee table in front of the sofa and playing with it via Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. If/when we get one, I will also be looking for wireless printing and, if possible, scanning. That way, it won't matter that I can't have a big computer desk any more.

Thing is, I love it - give and take, love and co-operation and all that... :)

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Get yourself a Shuttle and a TFT then. Wireless net, mouse, kb in the shuttle and you've got yourself no wires bar the monitor cable & power cable.. & you'd have a power cable on the GF. Shuttle & TFT placed back to back are probably the same size ;) & look better imo.

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Bifta


1) chill out for hells sake....each person has a like and dislike just because you don't like i-mac's and think pc's like yours are best thing since sliced bread good for you no need to go mental over it we heard you first time :LOL:

2) macs are good computers i myself and ordering a E-Mac soon as a online workhorse due to they are more stable in <<<MY VIEW>> perhaps not everyones.

I also like look of them but thats my view and as for the G5 if i could afford one I would have one, but again thats my view but i sure as heck aint gonna call them crap because i dont like them bit childish that.

Rant over

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No wires except for two wires then? ;) :D The monitor cable severely restricts the portability of that whole set up. You can only go a certain distance from the case, or else buy a huuuuuge wire, and the case, incidentally, would have the USB and Firewire ports in it, and the optical drive slot. The new iMac is a complete unit. If I want to edit my latest home video, then I can plug my camcorder into it right in front of me on the coffee table. If I want to watch a DVD while Mrs T is watching telly, I can slot a DVD into it right in front of me on the coffee table and plug in my headphones. Despite its weight (about 8kg), Apple has basically produced a truly portable desktop computer.

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So's my laptop ;)

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What would a 64-bit laptop with a 17 or 20ins monitor cost, out of interest? :D

We thought about a laptop as a way round the lack of deskpace problem we're going to have, but a laptop has too many compromises for me. I don't like the proximity of the keyboard and monitor, I don't like the viewing angle (I get a sore neck quite easily these days :( ) and I hate trackpads, trackballs, and intellipointerthingys of all kinds. It's also overkill because I don't want to take my computer out of the house, I just don't want to have to have a desk to use it inside the house.

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Actually, recently I did see a 64bit widescreen x86 laptop for less than 1300 quid, in comet I believe, the person buying one however didn't like the idea of non standard resolutions.

True, I plugged a cordless mouse and keyboard in to mine, unfortunately it adds another power cable but does the job. I have a spare room dedicated purely to computer and AV equipment and I'm salaried to work from home so I don't get nagged at for it thankfully.

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My first impressions:

Plus Points:

G5 processor
Small footprint
17" and 20" options
Base model is well-spec'd but still under £1,000 (inc. VAT)

Minus Points:

Lack of display adjustability compared to previous model
All the ports are on the back - one USB and one FireWire on the front would have been handy
Bluetooth not fitted as standard

Nonetheless I think they're cool and Apple will send a ton of them (which is the point, after all).

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We've all been so excited about this thread that no-one noticed it's not even in the right forum area ... I'm moving it to 'Computers and IT' now, although I think I could make a reasonable case for putting it in 'Lifestyle' ;)

(Any wisecracks suggesting the iMac belongs in the 'humour' forum will result in a summary ban, I know where the button is and I know how to use it :) :D )

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Although the iMac could be considered a lifestyle choice..

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Can we call Bifta a Macophobic then?

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I'm not scared of Macs! I pity them ;) They're like the big bolshy PC's effeminate little brother.

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Aah, so you're not a Macophobic, you're a big fat 64 bit bully :Yikes: . :p:

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Ah no, that'd be Richard.

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I'm not fat. :erm: