Mum had sex with son
 

How sick is this???

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/vi...aspx?id=120930

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004360349,00.html
What the hell???

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all i did was laugh - alot :) maybe there is somthing wrong with me =)
she aint even much of a looker -

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I wonder if she will receive the same sentence that a father would have received if he did that with his daughter.....

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As an obvious sex offender, I'm assuming she'll be dealt with with the full extent of the law.

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Hopefully she will. I'm sure there would be a bigger outcry if this was a man who had sex with his daughter.

I mean what sort of defense is "one thing lead to another".

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I take it the man is being charged with having intercourse with his mother?

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OK lets not go down THAT road.

What she did was disgusting and not at all defensable.She hasn't got away with any thing yet as she is waiting for the sentencing .However using this as a means to make mysoginist comments won't wash!!!!!

I never pass remarks about typical men in cases about men like this because I KNOW that not ALL men are like that just as I know not all women are saints.

How about tut tutting about about badly behaved PEOPLE.

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Course, in many cities, 100-150 years or more ago, the eldest daughter often took over the responsibilities of mother and wife if her mother died...

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Sorry but what misogynist comment did I make?

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Somehow, the bit about him "suffering a panic attack" sounds untrue to me.
He does not look the type that would panic about anything while watching a film.

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But I'm not necessarily picking on you in particular.I'm just asking for more balanced comments.Thank you.

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And how does that show I have a hate for women???

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Lets not forget that he is an adult.

They're both above the age of consent. She is not a "Sex Offender" as someone tried to point out earlier.

Thay have broken a law - yes.

Has anyone been abused - No

They should be punished in the eyes of the law but that's all.

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I agree, I was almost going to call this a victimless crime, but then... she looks like that.

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Ok what do you think it indicated about you?

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A light hearted comment - but beware a flaming for it.

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It was just an opinion, if you want to take from one comment that I hate women then thats OK, be narrow minded.

If I was to say that there would be more or an outcry if a woman was to be charged with something instead of a man would you just assume i was a misandrist?


But yeah you must be right, i hate all women :rolleyes:

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It indicated (imo) that he assumed, and quite rightly so, that if it HAD been the otherway round, it would've been viewed with more disgust. Why are you trying to nitpick?

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Yes! unless it was just a thoughtless throw away comment that you thought on a forum mainly used by men that no one would object?Well I did notice.

Whomever does something like this with their child is disgusting male or female.There's no need to drag in gender issues to score points though.

Not by me it doesn't.I'm just as disgusted as if it HAD been a man.I make no distinctions in a crime of this sort except that the parent has the responsibility of keeping things under control WHICHEVER sex they are!!!!!


This is the very last contribution I shall make to this thread. :(

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Watch out Bifta, you will be accused of hating women!!!

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Tsk. typical woman, has to have the last word ;)

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OK well answer me this, if this was a thread discussing a man having sex with his daughter, do you think there would be people in it making jokes?

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I'm not making any jokes.That was sosages and I'm disgusted with him too. :(

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I never said you did.

Was just proving my point about if the story was the other way around there would be more of an outcry.

Is sosages a misogynist as well or is that just me?

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That isn't going any further towards answering his question.

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I dodn't know you were a sex offender Russ, let alone an obvious one! :angel:
:D

[Edit]-Sorry, didn't mean to hijack/trivialise the thread. :blush:

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Seems to me that you still aren't hearing me.I said it she was as bad as any man doing this.I would and do expect to see the same sort of outcry about it whomever was doing it.I'm just asking for the male members of this site to try not to be dragging in the gender issue every time there is a case like this but I guess that's too much to expect.

I will leave you victorious as I seem to have utterly failed to get through to you.


Good day.

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So would I, but in my opinion that doesn't happen.

Seems to me instead of listening to my opinion you jumped in and accused me of hating women.

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Ok, so two adults, perform an illegal sex act, why is only one of them in trouble?

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I don't know.Seems to me that they took the stance that the parent is more of an adult than the child.

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fyi i hate women as well =)

and i also agree with bifta and gazzae - but i may well be wrong and as im to lazy to argue with you i will bow out of this thread now

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They're both wrong, and both need to be neutered IMO.

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Ok, I'll repeat, two ADULTS perform an illegal sex act, why is only one of them in trouble?

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How should Incog. know???? Leave her alone! I can understand her original point as well - why was it necessary to say what was said (about 'bet it'd be different if it was a fella blah blah blah...) That had nothing to do with it at all, and could be considered as inflammatory as Incogs quite innocent remark has turned out to be.... :rolleyes:

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proberbly because she was deemed as the provocateur.

and yes this is sick and disgusting, there is a history of sexual abuse in the family as well, stemming from the mothers previous relationship.

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what i want to know is how did the police find out to take this to court!!

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if you read the link one of the family members notified the police.

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Is there really a need to jail someone for this ? - it's not as if anyone was injured or died. No doubt if she had mugged him instead all she would get is a slapped wrist.

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Yes Paul M i believe it is vital someone gets punished for this. IBecause if they don't get punished, other people will begin to think it is acceptable within society thus i beleive eventually causing an incest outburst

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:bigcry:


If incog missed the word "adult" in my question to the forum, then others may have too, hence the repeat and uppercase "ADULT"
I have made no reference to whether it would be different if it was a fella.
Both adults have performed this illegal sex act, so why is only one being punished?

If memory serves, the law does not recognise that a man can be raped by a woman, so therefore as they actually had intercourse, it would have to be consensual on his part too.

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Errr, I don't think that any 'right minded' individual would ever begin to think that incest is socially acceptable - there's a number of reasons for it not to take place, not least the potential to pass on defective / regressive genes, so 'an incest outburst' is unlikely ever to happen.

TBH, I agree with Xaccers on this one - it may be incest but, if a woman still can't legally rape a man and they are both over 18, surely they are both commiting incest?

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an incest outburst lol thats just too funny ... seriously i doubt it'll happen. I dont think they should be jailed, thier situation is embarassing and shameful as it is, so why waste court's time when it could be used for things such as murderers, sex offenders and co.

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they are both party to commiting the offence, however if you look at it the woman took advantage of the man's state at the time of the alleged act happening, so thusly she was the one that enticed the man in to the illegal act.

the law is the law, this is illegal.

not to mention the immoral aspects of it.

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It doesn't matter who enticed who - they're both equally aware that they are related and should not be having sex. Both should be punished. And neutered. End of.

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Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m not sure if youââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re agreeing with me or not Kronas (so I apologise if I say this the wrong way).

I see what youââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re saying but, irrespective of the situation, thereââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s no way that an adult can consent to sex with their mother / son, and not know that itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s wrong †“ I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t think itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s a case of her †˜enticingâà ƒÆ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€ žÂ¢ him. As you say, they are both party to the offence and have committed an illegal act.

This is why Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m agreeing with Xaccers - if one of them has been charged and found guilty, then so should the other.

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Hmm, do panic attacks often have the same effect as viagra?
Perhaps he was "scared stiff" :erm:

Don't try and mix morality with law, it gets you into sticky situations.
Yes it's illegal, but locking them away wouldn't do much, and who would look after all her other kids?

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read the link, he was having a panic attack, she was comforting him, 'one thing led to another' and they kissed.

as for what i think, i agree with everyone, both partys were involved so they should both be punished, but whats the suitable punishment for this ?

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Neutering.

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no, i meant a suitable realistic punishment.

no :D


true, but im sure you can agree with me on this one.

the relatives, most proberbly social services would need to be called in, should they be now actually ?

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It is suitable - who wants to risk sick, socially retarded people like them spawning inbred deformed children?

Realistic? No, it's not (unfortunately).... Jail for both of them, and children in the family taken into care until the mother cannot be considered a danger to them.

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thats branching off in to other things, some parents do not deserve to have children the lack of basic control over them is ever apparent in alot of areas in this country.

how could those 'feelings' be changed ?

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Now I can't speak for anybody else here, but if my mum was comforting me and then kissed me, I wouldn't be in any fit state to have 'one thing lead to another'.

I know what you're saying Kronas, but I just can't see the link between 'oh, my son's having a panic attack' to 'oh look, we're having sex'.


Personally, I don't think that jail is a particularly suitable punishment (for either of them) - there's obviously some sort of problem which should be addressed, maybe through supervision or councilling. Of course, if it happens again, I may be forced to agree with OB :p:

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And your point is?? :confused: Letting your children be unruly cannot be compared to screwing them..... The same can be said about the son- he must know that it's wrong...



I personally don't think they could...If it were up to me I'd make sure that she never saw them unless it was supervised. Was just trying to be a little merciful...

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im well aware of that, but as my prevous post said how can you prevent the 'feelings' of someone who has these 'desired' to be 'attracted'


so some sort of correctiona facility would be a choice, but wht would happen to the children, allowences to be made for visiting etc...

i think its quite an awkward situation to be in.


as i said its branching off in to other things, letting them run riot can make them more susceptible to commiting any offence...



i think that would be more appropriate, aside from the councilling

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Why is this even illegal? Two consenting adults, having sex...

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Are you telling us that you condone incest? Where's your banjo?

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Jerrek/Russ/Towny, what does the bible say about sleeping with your family?

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Of course not. Just because smoking is legal doesn't mean I condone or engage in such activities.

But, isn't this the government legislating morality? If you support this law, what grounds do you have to not support laws against, say, anal sex or gay sex?

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I'm quite happy to have someone legislating that. If it keeps laws that stop people fornicating with minors/animals/corpses etc .. but I guess you feel that impinges on your personal freedoms too?

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We're not talking about minors, animals, or corpses. We're talking two consenting adults.

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I think that the incest laws were first introduced, like most laws, with an air of morality (most likely religious so hurry up and answer my previous post).
They've been relaxed somewhat so it's only your immediate family. Cousins can marry, not sure about uncles/aunts marrying neices/nephews.
I believe that the immediate family part, being your parents/grandparents, is to protect children form being "groomed" by a parent/grandparent (someone the child looks up to for guidance) for sexual relationship later in life.
Much like why teachers are not allowed to date pupils.
Sure most would be genuine relationships, but there's enough concern to protect anyone vulnerable to be taken advantage of to warrent this law.

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You're talking about people dictating morality, the subject of your urges is irrelevant.

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Shouldn't people dictact morality?

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Within the bounds of the law, yes.

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It is also legislating on genetic diversity, not just morality. After all the point of sex is not just pleasure, but conception and procreation.

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We're not talking about children here. We're talking about two consenting adults. Why should it be illegal unless you claim a moral argument, in which case I can introduce you to the some fundamentalists who have scary beliefs on what is morally right and wrong.

Government should not legislate morality.

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Perhaps, but what if it is a mom/daughter or dad/son relationship? Or sister/sister or brother/brother? Or what if, in a mom/son relationship the mom is over 55 and can't have kids anymore?

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its bloody incest , dont you get it :mad:

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So what? In some parts of the world you're stoned if you commit adultary because of government legislating morality.

You're essentially saying that whatever the majority of the people's moral code is, is the law. Yay. Way of oppressing minorities such as myself.

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Some things are just not acceptable and having sex with members of your immediate family is one of them, this has got some interesting stuff about incest

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exactly , you are looking at some very nasty side effects if a child is born from it :(

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Jerrek, Do you support democracy?

One of the principles of democracy is that the people (in theory) control the government. The government is supposed to serve the people and enact laws for them. So, in theory at least, the people control the law.


You appear to be arguing that this is a way of oppressing people.




Now, back to the point of the thread.

I personally believe that (as Xaccers says) if either one is to be punished, both should be punished as they both commited a crime.

As to whether it is morally wrong. Yes, I believe it is. She could well have been grooming him for this for years (I am not saying she did, we don't know that).

Biologically, it is a bad idea. This woman is 45. In theory, she can still have babies (in practice, that is unlikely), so SMHarman's arguement about genetics could apply.

Stiill, if a kid is born, maybe they should call it "Bubba" , give it a trailer to live in and a Banjo to play.

Edit: BTW, you still haven't answered Xaccers' question..

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So who should then? Who should legislate against people that prey on minors for example?

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Or maybe the son is infertile :mad: it is incest and whilst we can joke "Incest is best" it's not really appropriate is it.
This thread has nothing to do with gay rights and everything to do with incest, get back on topic.

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No. Under pure democracy, a majority can vote away a minority's rights. Under a pure democracy, Hitler came to power, and using the majority of votes, he legally killed many millions of Jews. Under a pure democracy, anything is legal as long as the mob, the majority, concurs.

Yes it is. That is why I'm a fan of a republic, not a pure democracy.

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Government. That is not morality though. The case is easy to make: minors can't consent. Adults can. Has got nothing to do with morality.

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I thought I heard the gentle twang of a banjo, look everyone it's our morally challenged aquaintance from Canuckland. What words of wisdom do you offer us today Jerrek?
What has adultery got to do with a mother having sex with her son? In some parts of the world you can be punished for drinking alcohol but thats got just as little to do with this thread as your argument ;)
I do hope that you are a minority Jerrek, for the sake of the Canadian gene pool :D

Now let's get back to the original topic..... (ala Jerry Springer)
Incest, a family affair

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Of course it has, is it morally right to molest a child? Yes or no, no waffle, no flannel, just yes or no.

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You didn't actually address any of my points. Way to go.

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:rolleyes: im sure you say things to provoke reactions....

the point of it is its wrong because the sister/brother are made up of the same genetic inheritance, ie they have genes inherited from the mother and father, they are your blood relations in that respect.

its not just about the moral aspect, as other people said its genetics, just to even think about it is sick.

and you forget the majority makes the laws.

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why cant you just accept that it is wrong , or is it a common thing in canada :erm: , is it something that happens and is socially acceptable over there , somehow i think not ;)

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What, can't you see? Do I need to spell it out?

You guys are advocating government legislating morality. Then, you fully support and condone the act of executing people for adultary in a culture where the government mandated it to be illegal and punishable by death. (The punishment is irrelevant, so don't drag this into the discussion.)

I hold the opposite view. Government should NOT legislate morality because it infringes on individual rights.

If two consenting adults have a relationship, who are YOU to say they can't?

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by two consenting adults i sencerely hope you don't include a mother and a son

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For all purposes then, consider a homosexual relationship where there is no chance of a baby. Your argument falls flat on its face then.

And, something that is sick to YOU may not be sick to someone else. I know of plenty of things YOU may find sick but I don't, and I'm positive that there are things YOU may find cool and I find sick.

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Jerrek this argument is NOT about morality. What has gone on here is ABUSE - pure and simple.
Why can you not see that?

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a person morally shouldn't have a homosexual relationship then
It is all about personal opinion but i am strongly against homosexuality, however i don't mind it, i just don't feel it right

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You have the issue that while that adult was still a child, it could have been groomed into becoming a sexual partner for the parent/grandparent.
When the sexual act takes place, it's between two consenting adults, but that could be because the offspring was brought up to be that, rather than having a free choice.

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IIRC in cases like this, the government (in our country, and presumably the United States and Canada) often creates laws to represent the morality of the time. Therefore, in this case, morality controls the law, not the other way around.

Anyway, I haven't read any bill of rights, but I am sure that having sex with your mother is not one of them.

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So when it becomes legal his free choice is suddenly gone and mind control sets in?

Um...




No.


What about brother/brother? Sister/sister?

I'm not talking of abuse. There was no abuse. Two consenting adults.

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This is nothing to do with two consenting adults having a relationship Jerrek so don't even try to drag same sex relationships into this argument.
So in your eyes its okay for a father to coerce his daughter into believing that a relationship with him is ok and therefor he should be allowed to sleep with her and maybe get her pregnant?
Years of behavioural shaping can lead to people having opinions that ordinarily they may not have had.
Cults have been able to lead their members to believe anything they say through various means for years, does that mean that the cults are right and the rest of us are wrong?
Just because this subject touches on an area that you believe in strongly for your own reasons it does not mean that you can justify what the mother did.

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Which is why there exist stupid laws in the United States and Canada. Laws that make sex toys illegal, for example. Laws that make gay sex illegal.

This is unwarranted. The government has no authority in the bedroom and no authority on morality.

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So - would you sleep with your mother or father Jerrek?
Because that's what this amounts to.
And I believe I read in one of the earlier links that there had been 'previous abuse issues' or words to that effect with other members of the family - so IMHO it does amount to abuse.

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Which law in Canada prohibits the sale of sex toys? And which law prevent's adults over 18 indulging in anal sex?

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Age_of_consent#A-D

(scroll down to Canada)

edit: my mistake, it only mentions anal sex, not gay sex

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Yes it has. The mom was 45+ and the boy was 18+. Two adults. And, as far as I know, the boy consented.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm merely stating that government has no business legislating morality!

Or are you saying they should? Maybe we should defintely imprison everyone that had sex with a sibling. Right? Maybe we should go a bit further. Imprison everyone that had sex with a same sex person? Maybe further? Imprison everyone that committed adultary?

Where does it stop? Where the majority decides it stops? So African countries that execute adulterers are vindicated?

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Jerrek why do you keep bringing same sex relationships into this thread? It has nothing to do with the topic and has no place in this discussion. The discussion is about a mother sleeping with her own child, not about two consenting adults taking part in a relationship. The two people in question already had a relationship, a mother-son relationship, they were not two consenting adults who had just met, became friends and then decided that the next logical step that they wanted to take was to sleep together :confused:
Keep to the topic and if you want a debate on same sex relationships start your own thread ;)

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Not in Canada--Alabama:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s/sex_toys_ban


Until a year ago, it was illegal in many U.S. states to engage in such activities.

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If a 30 year old man and his 50 year old mother, out of the blue, decide to concent to intercourse, where is the abuse, who is being abused, and who is abusing?
Why would it be abuse between close relatives, but not when a 30 year old sleeps with a 50 year old consenting stranger?

Just out of interest, what do we do in cases where two people marry and have kids, then later find out they are siblings?
I know it's happened several times.


And Jerrek/Russ/Towny/Bex/anyone, can you tell me what the bible says about incest?

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Really?

So because I advocate smokers' rights to smoke, I'm a smoker.

Because I advocate a person's right to commit suicide, I'm going to commit suicide.

Because I advocate a person's right to sleep with 500 people, I'm going to sleep with 500 people.

Get real. Separate the issue from personal life.

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ok - I was going to stay out of this discussion - but I will instead make this one statement.

To me, this is morally reprehensible, it is also illegal.

I am not in favour of the government forcing a moral code on the populous, however laws can be changed if sufficient people wish for it to change.

Drawing comparisons with other religions and other laws is a very poor substitute for debate. The fact is that this is in this country, and this is now.

I may not agree with laws that other countries have, but I do respect and abide by those laws when in those countries.

Jerrek - I really don't care what you find acceptable, as I am sure you don't care what I find acceptable.
You can try to goad a response, or upset my moral code - but I have a very simple attitude - I may disagree with it - I may even find it morally reprehensible - but if it is legal, and does not affect me, my family, or innocent people, then crack on son, not my concern.

As to punishment - two adults - one act - therefore two people should be prosecuted.

As always - my opinions - your's may be different, but mine will remain the same.

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So the 18 year old boy, an adult in your country, isn't an adult? And he didn't consent?