Game causes Murder
 

o_O;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/3934277.stm

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I think I'm going to be sick :erm:

All I have to say is he should be locked into jail FOREVER the murdering sod :grind:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Agreed,
But your just as well blaming Freddy from nightmare on elm street as you are games.

Like she (his mother) says...
"I don't play these games "

EDIT: I realise that he said he did it because of the game, but it takes more than a single game to create an twisted evil little b****** like that.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Agreed :mad:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

It's rather worrying,all these teenage murderers.:(

Re: Game causes Murder
 

It's easier to blame something else than come to terms with your child being a murderer.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

You notice teenage murders are getting more and more?

I would like to stay in than go out side now with all this happening, very worrying like Incognitas said :erm: :(

Re: Game causes Murder
 

first, he should go down for a long time, possibly the rest of his life.

second, the game is rated 18, so what was a 17 year old doing with it? he must have had it for a while to be "obsessed" with it, so if the game is responsible for making him kill, then the shop that sold him the game must share the responsibility, and the liability.

everyone is so quick to point the finger at game studios, but no one ever seems to care about the idiots who sell these 18 rated games to, well lets face it MINORS!
If the shops selling these games took a little bit of care in who they sell to, and if PARENTS, oh yes lets not for get them, took an interest in what their children are doing then it could well be a far different situation.

Ok rant over.

Peace Out.
Tech_Boy

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Yeah,
I blame the parents who dont "smack their kids" and issue proper punishment when their kids get out of line, then think that a wiggle of the finger is all it takes (yeah - dreamtime).

But that could be a whole other thread (and a very unpopular stance).

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I, like most other people my age, grew up watching violent/horror movies and playing violent computer games (mortal kombat) and I never once felt like going out and killing someone. Even if these thugs did not watch these movies or play these games, they would still do the same things only those over-rated counsellors and psychologists would not have anything to blame it on.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I watch violent movies and play "some" violent games, even thinking of "death" just brings horrible things to me :(

Re: Game causes Murder
 

unfortunately i think games like these trigger people in to doing such nasty things, manhunt is now a fairly old game, its tame really, even though im not really in to violent games, some of it was visibly gory but nothing that a decent horror movie cannot superseed.

the game is not at fault its the person, the trigger, and their phsycological frame of mind after playing such games.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Violent films and now games have always been blamed.In my day it was toy guns that were supposed to be a bad influence. :rolleyes:

It's frankly a case of any excuse will do to avoid actually saying that you are a devient and actually like killing because to admit such a thing is get you a longer sentence.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Our judicial system is useless. If you don't admit guilt you get a long sentence but if you admit to being guilty you get a lesser sentence :erm:

The law needs to be extremely hard on all types of criminals. Once people realise that if they break the law they will be punished then alot of crime will go away. People might not like how other countries treat law breakers with very strict & tough sentences but in those countries it works.

If we act tougher on these thugs no doubt you will still get those that harp on about human rights and all that bull**** but if you are a normal citizen that does not go around causing trouble then you have nothing to worry about.

How many people would feel safe catching a train on their own late at night in London?

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Now if you banned guns, there would be no more violence...

Oh wait.





It is horrible, but the game no more caused the murder than I caused it to rain today. Someone made a conscious decision to commit murder. Blame that person, not the game.

And, that person should take the shortest road to the noose.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Oh my god, call for a straightjacket. I must be going mad because I agree with Jerrek. :shocking:

I'm no expert, but IMHO the kid is a psychopath and as a person of seriously deviant character, deserves to be put down.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

To blame the game is just Bullpoop!

Millions of people play computer games, some must be even more violent than that one &they dont all go out & kill someone in such a way.
There must have been many other factors about why he did it, such as his upbringing etc.

Although, this 1 incident is likely to get more done about banning games that the majority of normal people can enjoy.

Anyone want a game of "Rainbow 1.5 custard pie throwing"? :D

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Another case of "Boy plays game, game depicts killing, boy murders therefore the game must be reponsible". This, IMO, is bull.

But, having said that, the game was an 18, so, legally at least, the murderer should not have had it. The game was an 18 for a reason.

When I worked for Blockbuster, all too often, a kid would come in, pick up the goriest horror film he (not being sexist, I can't actuall recall a girl doing this) could and bring it to the counter. I would, as I was legally required to, refuse to rent/sell it and he would leave the shop.

Two minutes later one of the boy's parents would come in and (after sometimes having a go at me for refusing to serve their little boy) rent/buy the same film.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

People People, Since when do we care what the daily mails thinks?

they are always doing this, parhaps one day they might actually blame the bloody parents and lack of education/treatment for this kid

Re: Game causes Murder
 

'The game made me do it'... it's right up there with 'The devil made me do it' - it comes down to people not wanting to be accountable for their actions, from the Kids : 'ooohhh scary voices from the tv told me to kill/steal/beat, when what I actually need is some parental voice to tell me No, I shouldn't do x' - to the parents 'ooohh scary voices from the tv made them do it, our parenting couldn't possibly be at fault - we're good parents, just look at this, we let them have what ever they want, see? - '18' films, '18' games, that must make us good parents ... we don't need this discipline stuff.. just slip little Johnny a tenner and tell him to go and amuse himself...'.....

Good thing Marilyn Manson hadn't done the music for the game, he'd well and truly be up poo creek....

I spent hours playing 'advanced lawnmower' simulator when I was a kid - I never once felt the urge to go and really mow the lawn (much to my mums dismay).

[sarcasm]
Of course we care what the Daily Mail thinks - it's the moral guardian of the country, if not the world, don't you know - if the Daily Mail says it's wrong, it must be, and who are we to argue with the all knowing paper?????
[/sarcasm]

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Ok so that game may have led to this young boy being killed. There are plenty of other games such as Grand Theft Auto. Now there was another case a while back blaming that game. I ask myself why hasnt that game been banned?

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Because there are thankfully people who still have common sense in this country

Re: Game causes Murder
 

you are so right. :D

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Where?

That's just a nasty rumour and you know it...

:D

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Oh gods, here we go again :banghead:

'Mrs Pakeerah, 36, called for violent video games to be banned.

She said: "I can't believe that this sort of material is allowed in a society where anarchy is not that far removed. It should not be available and it should not be available to young people." \

You're right, Mrs Pakeerah, it shouldn't. That's *why* it's got an 18 certificate!!

Don't blame the game, blame the parents who let him have it.

And whilst we're at it, did the boy have any *other* problems such as difficulties at home or at school, for instance?

This is just a classic knee-jerk response of "something must be to blame and this game is the easiest target". We've seen it with Dungeons and Dragons, we've seen it with Grand Theft Auto and First Person Shooters, we've seen it with Heavy Metal music and now this is the nearest convenient excuse not to *think* about whether there are other issues that children face :mad:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

While I fear that the conclusion I`m drawing myself is a bit Daily Tabloid, I am forced to question what sort of background this guy was coming from if he was 14 and the mother was 36, you only have to do the maths.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I am fed up with people blaming games for their kids commiting crimes. Most of the time the kids are not actually old enough to be playing these games in the first place. Also they are blaming the games for the fact that their kids are complete psychos. Games are a form of esapism, not to be confused with real life.

I have played the game in question, and yes it is really violent. But if you are old enough to play it you should realise that it is just a game and in no way real. You must have some real problems if playing a game wants to make you kill some one. I play games all the time but they do not make me feel like running people over, murdering people, skateboarding like a fool or racing a car alogh at crazy speeds.

these people must already have an underlying mental problem.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

They blame the games, but do other people who play the same game go around killing people? No, they don't, so blaming the game is just so you can't blame it on your own child.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

here we go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/3936597.stm

talk about kneejerk reactions :rolleyes:

its up to the consumer NOT the retailer, a retailer is there to provide products not to dictate what we can and cannot buy :mad:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Well I suppose they have to be seen as doing something!!Even IF the game is not really responsible. :shrug:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

but its total stupidity, the game has been on the market for how many months ? also there are other violent games out there aswell are those going to be banned ?

i think the stores trying to score brownie points here by taking or 'reviewing' the games position, nanny state!!! :rolleyes:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Well cynical old me here realises that.Be thankful that those who buy games are the ones who will get the final say in what is or is not banned.Money still talks.If they could still make the same money by not selling violent games they would probably switch in an instant.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

i have played many games in my early years, although hardly and i mean rarely do these days but im no physco, neither are people who i know grew up in an era where games changed and graphical violence and decapitation started to become the norm, they dont show any violent tenedencies....

as i said if its in you something will trigger it.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Err, where I come from 36 - 14 = 22...!

Also those were the ages of the mother and the victim. The assailant was 17, but it doesn't say how old his parents are.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I blame the breakdown of the family unit, the lack of moral stance and parental discipline. The lack of parental censorship, the lack of stoical effort to make a relationship work before giving up, parting and the effect that causes on the child (not always, I know). The lack of realisation of the responsibilty that parenthood carries.....essentially I blame his parents.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I did say it was likely to be Daily Tabloid reasoning, and as you've demonstrated so clearly, it certainly had all the logic of tabloid reasoning. :) I concede defeat to you this time.

Now is it too late to delete the original post to spare me any further embarassment?

Re: Game causes Murder
 

I still remember them blaming Rambo after the Hungerford incident...

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Games and movies dont cause murders, unsupervised care of mentally ill people, people with anger problems and down right psychopaths cause murders.

You can sit here and blame the movies and games, but i'll just point out that murders happened way before games and movies. And some of the sickest ings ever to happen in history appeared before movies like Rambo and games like Manhunt etc.

People should wise up that these things dont make others kill, the people doing the killing were unbalanced in the first place.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

i saw channel 5 yesterday come out with a "do you think violent video games should be banned" phone poll

talk about kneejerk reactions :rolleyes:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

thats intelligent programming for Channel 5 lmao :D

Re: Game causes Murder
 

yeh......... hold on arent they worst offenders of putting sexually themed and violent programming on terrestrial tv ? maybe i could start CF thread "should channel 5 be banned for the increasing violence and sexual content" :D :p: :LOL:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Was there an option for "no, I think stupid polls like this should be banned"?! :rolleyes:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Apparently the game wasn't owned by the killer, it was owned by the victim!!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08..._murder_claim/

Re: Game causes Murder
 

LOL, that's going to cause some red faces.:)

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Re: Game causes Murder
 

So, if she is that concerned with the violence portrayed in the game, why did she allow her son to have it? Assuming that the game did belong to the victim.

Re: Game causes Murder
 

just a small note:

i can see the irony somewhere :erm:

EDIT just seen Richard M post :blush:

Re: Game causes Murder
 

Exactly...

If (as intimated by the latest reports) the game - rated 18 was owned by the victim (aged 14) and (a reasonable assumption) the mother knew this. (after all - she declared that the murder was similar to the game ).

To come out, after allowing her son to own a game that states that it contains violence and is not suitable for those under 18, and say such games should be banned is both hypocritical, and fully understandable.

I cannot begin to imagine the grief and pain of losing your child, let alone in such a brutal and seemingly pointless attack.

To find something to hook onto and blame for this is a perfectly understandable reaction, the fact that this game shows similar violence makes it an all too easy target for the grief and pain she is feeling.

Unfortunately, later facts have shown that this is most likely a knee jerk reaction - she had no objection to her son owning the game (again with the assumptions above) before he was murdered, but now she feels the need to make her son's death mean something, if you like, to find some ray of hope from this hopeless time.

Once again - this is an understandable reaction, but it must be seen for what it is.

Many perople have changed their attitutes towards things as a result of a traumatic incident - some of these have led to better lives for others, and some have led to the increasing "nanny state" in which we find ourselves.

I for one do not think the game was the reason - any more than I believe Rambo was Michael Ryans role model for the Hungerford murders (and I was both there, and lost friends that day). But I believe that it is the right of the mother to find her own way of grieving for her son - if that means campaigning against these games, then so be it, if it helps her come to terms with her grief, then it has a benefit.

The tabloids will jump on these outporings of grief, because that is their fodder, but society generally finds a middle road - probably there will be tighter controls on sales, bigger warnings (as for cigarettes) and a lot of publicity.

(remember when Microsoft took parts of their flight sim out after someone spotted you could crash into the twin towers ? )

(note sig as always ;) )