Every household to get "terror advice"
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3923949.stm

You know, I can't help thinking about the media and government creating fear and paranoia in the way that Michael Moore famously pointed out in Bowling For Columbine...

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Let me guess ..the main advice will be "Duck and Cover" ;)

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Hell, that going overboard, even in Israel I never got a leaflet through my door about terrorism. Though saying that, because it more frequent, everyone always had warning signs in the back of their heads and being generally alert all the time.

It is completely unneccessary to waste money on leaflets and the money should be used on training and prevention by the police.

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Living close to Portsmouth Harbour and some kind of fuel/oil depot, every year we get a laminated sheet with what to do in cases of emergency - for radiation leaks, and for the fuel depot :s

Quite scary - tells you where to go to pick up your water supplies, tablets etc, tells you to lock all doors and windows, stay in a room in the middle of the house.

Which is all well and good - but if it wasn't a valid threat to me, it'd be quite a daunting thing to have - it's scary enough now, even knowing that a leak of any kind is quite unlikely.

This new media campaign does smell of scaremongering to me though :(

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http://www.archive.org/movies/detail...ectionid=19069

There's a whole load more with equally useless advice there as well.

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I'll need to get some tins of corned beef in :erm:

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I always thought it was funny that people in England (when told anything about nuclear war) were told it would be enough to put duct tape on the Windows. Well, according to my old Physics teacher, who then pointed out that if you use duct tape as protection, you would be burned by superheated air, killed by radiation or simply blown to bits as the wall was destroyed by the blast wave..

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What a totally pointless exercise, and a waste of money.

Gotta agree with Richard M. My first thought when I heard this cr@p was, 'I see Tony the Liar is starting the Bush fear tactic'.

If you're number is up, then there is nothing you can do to avoid it.

Eat, Drink and Be Happy. for Tomorrow We Die. ;)

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Do you know something we don't? :disturbd:
cue mass panic :erm:
Where's my book, I need to know what to do!

j/k :p:

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*ramrod ponders where the best location is for the shelter he'll have to dig in his garden*...........New Zealand probably :disturbd:

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I remember Fox News advice for a dirty bomb attack was to stay inside, don't eat drink or breathe anything.

I can see people issuing "how to sow your own radiation suit" pamplets

L'oriel radiation proof face cream, 'because I'm worth it'

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Well that just sums up the idiocy of Fox News

So Foxes advice in the case of a dirty bomb.

1). Die of hunger.

2). Die of thirst.

3). Die of aspixiation. (sp)

Cant half tell they are owned by the news group that brought us great newspapers like, The Sun. ;)

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A clever terrorist would find out who the printers/distributors are, get a job there & put something nasty in with the leaflets....


Ooops, now I've given them the idea. :D

As with other comments from on the news, these will be read, consigned to the spam corners of the brain & thrown away after being laughed at.


Should I order some corrugated sheeting now or wait until the rush starts?

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But what are you suppose to do under dirty bomb attack?
This advice is based on the fact that radiation does more damage if it enters the body, and the house can act as minor protection. Obviously the only to be certain of protection is to issue everyone with a radiation suit or a lead shelter.

Once inside shelter how would they rescue you? Lead coated vans?
Would it be simplier just to evacuate yourself in a car and risk exposure?

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Isn't this just a case of scaremongering like the American's have had force fed to them for the past two years?

Making the people beleive there is a real threat is a great way of controlling them. Like getting support for a war for example?

Personally I have more faith in the Great British public than to be sucked into the propaganda.

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Its been a long time since I did the Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare course in the Army. But personally, if I was in a 'nuclear' attack, including a dirty bomb. I'd rather be sitting on the device when it went off, rather than suffer the horrible effects of Radiation Sickness.

IMHO, the chances of a dirty bomb being detonated by terrorists are incredably small. So why worry about it.

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It's all a load of baubles.

Do you remember in the early eighties how they published leaflets that told you how build a fall out shelter in your house, which consisted of a door and few sandbags, ensuring you paited the door white to refect the blast.

What a laugh.

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You'd best start digging then... :)


Anyway, you've all forgotten the most important advice, you have to build a shelter out of an old door, resting against the wall and have the door sloping at 45 degrees, else you'll be completely unprotected from a nuclear blast... :)

Anyone else remember 'When the wind blows'?

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Nooo, you have to hide underneath the dining table.
1.5" of Pine is an excellent protector from nuclear blasts!

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Well personally I think it is long overdue.

Wether you all like to think about it or not, in many countries around the world, there are tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people that would like to wipe us off the face of the earth, and will if given half a chance. That isn't paranoia, that is reality.

I saw a McIntyre program about it, and the simulated a disaster to see how the people reacted, they failed miserably. Half didn't know what to do, the other half thought they did, but actually made things worse.

Like the old saying goes.... Prepare for the worst, and hope for best. If/when it happens If any of these leaflets or promotions save a life, it would be worth it.

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What are the protective characteristics of MDF these days?
Just think though, once all the dust has settled and mankind steps back into the light... there will probably still be people trying to get into this country to claim social benefits ;)

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did anyone see the bloke being interviewed on the news , ( cant remember his name ) , absoloute class , talk about being put on the spot , you could see the sweat pouring out of him :D :D :D :D , i also reckon it is a complete waste of money also :erm:

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The resin used in MDF is carsinogenic (sp), so if the radation dont give you cancer, then the MDF will.

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Ahh good ol MDF ;) The reason why I wear a dust mask when cutting it LOL So it's either radiation or death by changing rooms..... choices choices :disturbd:

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Isn't that classed as a 'cruel and unusual punishment' - and banned by Human rights movements?

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"Cruel and unusual punishment" would be living with the result of "changing rooms".


I think I prefer another old piece of advice....

In case of nuclear attack:
1. Bend over
2. Put your head between your legs
3. Kiss your ass goodbye!

If you spend your life in fear of terrorists, then they've won as surely as if they had attacked you.


Seriously though, a few years ago, I was at the Duxford air show with a friend, and going through one of the exhibits, saw a bag left against the glass ... first thought, take it to lost property, second thought, get out and tell someone it looks lika a "suspicious package".

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There is a difference between being paranoid, and being prepared.

Bottom line noone can stop a terrorist attack forever. Rather than being paranoid about one happening, surely it is better to accept the inevitable, and become confident and proficient that when one does happen, loss of life will be minimised? People worry about a terrorist attack, but lying and saying it will never happen and not making people prepare is worse.

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My plan of action:

1) Grab nearest dishy fella (although this is a mean feat considering I've never seen one yet in the 10 years I've lived in Hyde)

2) Raid local Asda for tins of Spam and bottles of Baileys

3) Put Kerrang on TV and make sure I go out with a bang and smile !!!!

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While it's all well and good saying be prepaired, if the worst does happen. It wont be in the quiet suburbs, it will happen in a city center prolly on the weekend. Thats how I'd plan it.

Unless you want to buy you're own Noddy Suit and Respirator, and practice getting into it in less than 30 seconds. Then well, you are buggered mate. Yes be vigillant, yes have an idea what to do in an emergency. But dont expect the British Government to have anything sorted out. Cause you'll be dead, and then it wont matter. :rolleyes:

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Speaking of reasons for mass panic. Has anyone noticed that google isn't working ;)

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yes it is :erm:

Google Down
 

When I do a search I get this:

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Keep an eye on the BBC news site for more on this. ;)

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nope , deffo working here , proxy issue maybe :erm:

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STOP PRESS! :p:
Apparently it's down to a new variant of the MyDoom virus. :erm:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...&tid=217&tid=1

Only certain people are affected though, I'm not luckily.

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Looks like I'm ok so far.

Saying that I prolly just dropped myself right in it. :erm:

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Or turtle? :naughty: :)

Noooo! Remeber, Kerrang = Bad, Scuzz = Good :)

Actually it is kind of connected. If a serious terrorist attack it could easily spread mass panic to the suburbs. It didn't happen with 9/11 because no WMD we're involved, but imagine if it had.

You are right there isn't much you can do as it happens. Some info in what to do to contain it after the fact would be nice. The trouble is the experts themselves don't know. I mean, they say you should run into the wind away from the site. Some say you should keep still or you could spread it. If someone's on the floor do you try and give first aid, or leave them? What are you supposed to do? I haven't got a clue. The 5 or so minutes before the emergency services come is crucial.

I've actually raised this point before. After 9/11 America distributed their guidance, but all we got from MI-5 was: "Err... I'll get back to you on that". We've rode our luck long enough.

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Without casting dispersions about Americans in general - as I know lots of very sensible and inteligent Septics.....

The US had never really suffered any sort of terrorist threat (aside from a few demented individuals like Timothy McVie) until 9/11. A combination of madness fed to them by the government generated genuine fear, which the media heightened beyond belief.

I remember being in New York just before Christmas last year (the weekend Sadam was captured, but that's irrelivant) and seeing a 'shock health warning' on the news - the news station had gone undercover in some of the fast food eateries round the Island - and they found....wait for it....someone handling lettuce without latex gloves on! They went on to interview a 'scientist' who said detailed every type of disease this could spread.

This is a nation under fear of their lives from every corner - terrorists, burgers, the mailman, aircraft, etc etc etc.

We're simply not in the same mould as the Americans. Maybe it's the British stiff upper lip, maybe it's becuase we have lived with the real threat of terrorism, maybe it's becuase we're naive - but the Brits just don't get that worked up by this sort of scaremongering propaganda - although it's not through want of trying by the government.

How many 'specific threats of a terrorist act' have we had since 9/11? The only thing specific about them is the complete absence of any specific information about any such act. The show of strength round Heathrow last year, ring of steel around the Houses of Parliament?

Of course you could say that becuase these preventative measures happened then they averted the threat - and I know I'm starting to sound like a dillusional conspiracy theorist here - but in the absence of any real information (even after the specific threat had passed would be fine) I can't personally draw any other conclusion apart from the government trying to scare the public.

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Real world terrorists, usually dont go anywhere near high profile targets like parliment buildings. Yes I know an attack was carried out on the Indian parliment, but thats India, and a similar op in GB would be extremely difficult to achieve. Its more likely that a 'Soft Target' would be chosen, as was chosen in Spain. Half a dozen blokes, carrying rucks full of explosives and large ball-barings in a very open public place is a more realistic threat.What are the security services supposed to do to stop that sort of attack. It cant be done, unless someone makes a mistake then civilians will die. Its how I would plan an attack, but then again, I'm trained to think like that.

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LOL

And don't forget "Protect & Survive"

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Seriously though we were prone to attack by the IRA for years. We suffered from several attacks in England. I dont recall a big leaflet drop like this.

AFAIK none of the new terrorist threat have managed to attack us yet.

Whats the panic?

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Well naturally....we are in the run up to a general election and Mr Bliar and his cronies are trying to appear proactive toward terrorism plus justify their current legislations with regard to terrorism. :rolleyes:

Precisely ! Remember Warrington and Manchester bombs ??

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Actually, this is true. Hence the terrorist releasing Sarin into the air on the Tokyo underground.

But one thing we have to remember. Terrorists are often in it for publicity. This is why the IRA often warn the police (or a local authority) when they have placed a bomb in an area.

At the moment, the various actions of Dubya and Blair are giving them plenty of publicity..

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I've been meaning to post a big post on this with evidence. I've only got a min, so i'll briefly say what I wanted and maybe elaborate on it later.

Basically, there are more terror attacks than people realise. I can't find the source now, but, it was St. Petersberg Times or something. It is about acts of terrorism falling in 2002. It said there was some 700 attacks in 2002.

And about the media scaring America witless: Its a bit weird here. You'd think Americans are really sensitive, given they normally ban things first and seem like health freaks, but they sell so many drugs through TV and radio, that, wait for it, is NOT FDA approved. Hmmm. I even heard the other day that they have banned MDF for asbestos reasons.

There's something else I was going to say but can't remember now. Maybe later.

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I found a good spoof of the government's official advice. I don't want to take this thread too far off topic, so have created a new thread. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ewpost&t=15467

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Hmmm maybe the Palestinians should be the ones getting the Terror advice.

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Hey! At least that was a dramatic title
Anyone catch The Now Show's take on the terror advice? :rofl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/nowshow.shtml

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In fairness this country is alot more likely to be subjected to a chemical or Dirty bomb attack than Israel is. I have not seen one of these leaflets yet so will resevere judgement until I have seen it. However I can see the scenes in a few weeks Tesco's shelves empty of bottled water and tinned food as people take the advice. This would not even have to be panic buying. If everyone in the country took the advice and had some supplies in that they talk about most shops would have none of these items left for weeks as they ould never be able to cover 20 million households buying the same types of items.

We live in very difficult times and this leaflet brings that fact home, burying are head in the sand and hoping it will go away will nt work

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It's here... http://www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk/