Would you give this man a licence to drive a Taxi?
 

Our local Council has just granted a man a licence to drive a Taxi with convictions for Gross Indecency against Children. Here is the Enhanced CRB report on him.

Position applied for

Taxi Driver



Name of Employer



Mansfield District Council.



Conviction details



Theft from Dwelling, Theft act 1968 S1
Fraudulently using vehicle excise licence, vehicle excise act 1971 S.26
Handling stolen goods, theft act 1968 S.22
Making of without paying, theft act 1978 S.3
Theft shoplifting, theft act 1968 S.1
Theft shoplifting, theft act 1968 S.1
Obtaining property by deception, theft act 1968 S 15
Theft of vehicle, theft act 1968 S.1
Obtaining property by deception, theft act 1968 S.15
Burglary and theft from a dwelling, theft act 1968 S.9
Fraudulently using a vehicle excise licence, vehicles excise act 1971 S.25
Handling Stolen goods, theft act 1968 S.22
Making off without payment, theft act 1978 S.3
Attempted theft, theft act 1968 S.1
Going equipped for burglary, theft act 1968 S.1
No insurance, road traffic act 1988 S.143
Handling stolen goods, theft act 1968 S.22
Obtaining property by deception, theft act 1968 S.15
Failing to surrender to bail, Bail act 19786 S.6
Attempt/ obtaining property by deception, theft act 1968 S.15
Gross indecency with child (boy) indecency with children act 1960 S.1 (1)
Gross indecency with child (boy) indecency with children act 1960 S.1 (2)
Gross indecency with child (girl) indecency with children act 1960 S.1 (3)


Would you give this man a badge? I know I wouldn't

Re: Would you give this man a licence to drive a Taxi?
 

I buy into the three strikes and you're out rule. Strike three on a criminal offense and you're going to jail for the rest of your life.

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What, for any offence?

As for that taxi driver.....how on earth are the council going to justify employing him?!?

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With all that I would ask WHY he isn't in jail :erm:

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No I would not employ him as a Taxi driver.

I would also be objecting to the council for giving him a license.
Parent would often send thier child to school or other places in a taxi thinking that they would be safe in it, however with a convicted pedophile (and thats what he appears to be) driving then no child would be safe. That in my book is enough of a reason NOT to give him such a license.

The rest are all reasons not to either let him drive a car & being responsible for the safety of the public whild doing so.

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I think most people deserve a second chance, but a third, fourth etc etc.
This has got to be a mistake most taxi drivers I know do school runs first thing in the morning, taking vulnerable children to school.
This needs to be looked at and sorted ASAP.

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I think you'll find, rightly or wrongly, that they are acting within their guidelines for licence issue, providing the offences took place at least 3 - 5 years ago.

The usual exception is when the offence(s) took place while driving a private hire vehicle/taxi. In that case the period before reconsideration would be longer.

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Those last 3 should prevent him access to children "ever", no matter when they were done.

What I'd like to know is how Nidge got to know his CRB report details?
They are supposed to be confidential.

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My thoughts exactly....

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and mine :erm:

well if it is all the truth then he should not have a job which has any contact with children at all.... i dont know much about the sex offenders register but surely someone with three counts of gross indencency with children should be on it to prevent them from a job with kids?

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Job applications are confidential full stop. Not appropriate material to be discussing here.

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This isn't a job application, it's a licence application, which is different. His criminal convictions are also a matter of public record for anyone willing to spend the time compiling the list.

I'm all for rehabilitating offenders, but those last three make it difficult for me to see how he can be granted a licence to do a job which is almost guaranteed to mean he will be alone in his car with children at some point.

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Sorry to say but that council sounds like they don't have a clue what they are doing, he gets a job as a taxi driver and that list will increase :(

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Perhaps this needs to be pointed out to the papers under the same ilk as to how did Ian Huntley get a job like he did.

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Its effectively a job application. In fact its worse because your applying for a license plate to be able to work for them selves and then get anyone in their car that approached them.

Yes you can ciompile the list of convictions BUT you would not be able to link them to an application for a license plate.

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There is no personal information given, tying this information to an actual person. This could all be hypothetical ....

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Well, yes there is if someone wanted to dig through the court records they could use the list to eventually work out who the individual is. I think that this is quite a grey area publishing the list on here.

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The guy is obviously an habitual offender, there is no way he should be given a licence.

Judging by his record he is capable of anything. It's not just kids we should be worried about but you wives and girlfriends too, coming home by themselves a bit worse for wear after a night with the girls. Wold you want this guy driving her home?????

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Nidge, can I ask how you came by this information in the first place?

Has it been published on some other website etc?

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Whilst crimes involving 'interfering' with children should, in my opinion, result in spending the rest of the offender's life in prison - that is a topic for another thread I'm sure.

Like it or not, this person comitted his crimes about 30-40 years ago and under the justice system presently in place he has, as they say, served his time.

He disclosed his convictions as was required, and unless there is a provision saying that Mansfield Council will not grant licenses to people with such offences on record, then I cannot see how they have acted improperly. Whether it is morally right is another matter.

Another issue here is where would you want to draw the line? If he applied for a job in a burger bar? Supermarket? Street cleaner? Or would you rather that we all suppoted him as a long-term unemployed individual becuase no-one would give him a job becuase of his crimes a generation ago?

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i see your point, but with regards to the convictions involving children, he should therefore not be in a position to be alone with a child. wokinf in a supermarket or burger king will not give him this oppurtinity, but being a taxi driver could

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where does it say when he committed those crimes??

The date stated is the date of the act of parliament isn't it?
I.E. indecency with children act 1960 S.1 = section 1 of the indecency with children act published in 1960.

So they could be more recent.
Not that it matters, once a pedo always a pedo.
Once offending, always offending - ask any parent.

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I found it on the floor if anyone asks.

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I have his full Enhanced CRB record sat here, and no it hasn't been published on any other website. Like a fool he gave it to me to give my boss to photocopy, my boss called me in and said look at this here, he wants a job here he said he's go no hope. I took a photocopy thats how I came by it.

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40 years ago is when the act came out, the driver concerned in only 29 years old. We need to tackle our Council head on but where do we start?

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The head of the council.

Isnt there some form of council watchdog... oh yes, so there is.
www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog :D

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Apologies, I think I read the charge list in a bit of hurry.

Even so, one presumes that this individual has served his sentances according to the justice system. I know it's the other end of the scale but say you had your driving license taken away because you had maxed out the points through speeding, would it be right to not be able to work as a driver ever again?

With regards to tackling the head of the council, this is not the place to start, they are acting within guidelines only and could not be seen to be removing someone's right to work.

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AFAIK if someone has committed ofences against children they go on "the" register & are prohibited from working where they can be in contact with children.
Full stop.

Is there a time limit to being a pedo?

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Like I said before, where do you draw the line? Burger bar, supermarket, streetcleaner? All these could potentially bring the person in contact with children.

What I would also point out here, as there has been publicity about this case, then it would unlikely that any cab company would put this individual in a position where he's taking unaccompanied children on journies.

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No he should not get a job as a taxi driver.

The only job that pond **** like this deserve are as live targets on a firing range.

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easy mate...

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Well I agree with the sentiment completely. But we cannot punish the individual becuase we do not agree with the sentance. Surely this is a case that would be solved if paedophiles were sentanced to life in prison - life meaning life.

But then how can we get that kind of legal system when judges are let off for similar offences? Another thread I guess.

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My objection is not based on the sentence itself. But my own personal hate of this kind of person. In our society we are supposed to protect the young of the species, not sexually assault them. While other people on this forum may be happy to jail all criminals of all types. Personally I see it as a huge waste of taxpayers money. Spend £1500 a week feeling a convicted sex offender or murderer in prison for the rest of their lives, or spend £1 and shoot the filth in the back of the head.

I'll go for the extreme example of cost effectiveness, thankyou very much.

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Given his history, he would proberably nick all the takings anyway.

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Well I guess the death penalty is whole new thread, save to say public opinion is roughly 50/50 as far as I remember. Personally I don't believe that any human being has the right to kill any other human being, and I particularly think this is the case when using the death penalty for punishment. I have heard all the shallow arguments that those with the same beliefs as me come up with, like what if we get the sentance wrong etc etc etc.

Personally this has nothing to do with it for me. I as one man have no right to take the life of another. Full stop.

But to go bck to the relevance of this thread, I am more than happy to pay for someone who commits this kind of crime to be kept in prison for the rest of their life. They are a danger to society, generally peodofiles cannot be 'cured', so they should be kept away from society.

But it is not this individual's fault that he was (in my ideal world's standards) inadequately sentanced. He has served his time like it or not.

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Well just an update on the issue, it's all gone belly up at the Council, someone seen the CRB that I posted on another site who works for the Council, they wern't impressed when they found out he had been given a badge by the licensing officer, they weren't bothered about where the information came from they were more interested in how he got a badge to drive women and kids around.