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punky 10-06-2004 00:15
Comparing Web Host Providers
 
I know this might hurt a couple of people's feelings, but i'm looking to start up a business venture i've been thinking about for a while. I've come across a few hosting companies in my time, and none have really set me alight.

Anyone know of an good, independent site that compares companies' reliability and plans? http://www.hostchart.com seems to do it, but it is a bit big, and not easy to get answers out of it.

Ideally, i'm looking for a plan that can grow to quite big storage and transfer rates, if it ever does take off (i'll be aiming to store and offer files for download, although due to practicalities of this, I might change policies), so that'll influence the plan most. But I will also need good PHP, MySql, password protectable realms, and a very configurable control panel too.

Cheers in advance.

Richard M 10-06-2004 00:52
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
www.webfusion.co.uk is expensive but high quality hosting.
Stay away from uk2.net.

SMHarman 10-06-2004 13:12
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indeed Iwebs 99% uptime must now have fallen by the wayside. But that still allows for 87.6 hours of downtime a year.

Its the IBM 99.9999% uptime guarantee that amazes me. That means 9 minutes of downtime a year!

Alanmelon 10-06-2004 18:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
indeed Iwebs 99% uptime must now have fallen by the wayside. But that still allows for 87.6 hours of downtime a year.

Its the IBM 99.9999% uptime guarantee that amazes me. That means 9 minutes of downtime a year!
But recent events are not as bad as they seem...that downtime only affected one server, so the percentage impact will be much less when considering all the other sites on the other servers (like mine ;))

SMHarman 10-06-2004 18:34
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and mine, but a little worrying as I am planning to put the commercial site on there and a couple of days down time would mean a couple of days of 0 sales.

Darren Wilson 12-06-2004 01:12
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
I use http://www.34sp.com for all my hosting and the only downtime I have had on over 40 sites hosted there is when they upgraded the Plesk server control panel software (10 minutes total) in 3 years! Solid service and very quick response times to queries or account changes/setup.

KingPhoenix 12-06-2004 07:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
and mine, but a little worrying as I am planning to put the commercial site on there and a couple of days down time would mean a couple of days of 0 sales.
Your commercial site is on kestrel ;)

goldoni 21-06-2004 02:00
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I can recomend Exploit http://www.exploit.co.uk/ the cost is £79.00 per 12 months for that you get a cpanel to control your own space and email pop3 the guy who runs it is away for a while. My sites have been stable with no downtimes as the same information is on another box. have a look at at the url above and it will give you a quote. The above price also includes the nic costs.

Will send a screen shot of the cpanel if requested

Chris W 21-06-2004 02:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldoni
I can recomend Exploit http://www.exploit.co.uk/ the cost is £79.00 per 12 months for that you get a cpanel to control your own space and email pop3 the guy who runs it is away for a while. My sites have been stable with no downtimes as the same information is on another box. have a look at at the url above and it will give you a quote. The above price also includes the nic costs.

Will send a screen shot of the cpanel if requested
:Yikes:

I-web's deal for CF members: (see ad in KingPhoenix's sig above)

100 MB of Web Space
2000 MB of Bandwidth
100 Pop3 Accounts
Unlimited E-mail Aliases
5 MySQL Database
5 Sub Domain

2 Parked Domains
Web Mail Access
Spam Assassin Spam Protection
Frontpage Extenstions
cPanel Control Panel
Fantastico Auto Installer

£10.69 per year for CF members ;)

goldoni 21-06-2004 08:20
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There must be something missing with that price as I only get one MySQL database and to give you a bigger Yikes I pay that for each domain I have.:mad: This year I have parked one domain ARD.co.uk which cost me £35.00. What about the NICs charges every two years, my hert-plumbers.org.uk was due in June and I received a letter from the registration company asking for £70.00 plus vat but as exploit are members they only pay £5.00 which is included in the £79.00 inc VAT. The Goldonian.org domain is due to run out at the end of July so please tell me more there must be other charges????? Not Just £10.69 per year ,,,Yikes :Yikes: :mad: :mad:

I have heard of these sort of prices but when you are just about to move over you find a bloody big spanner if you know what I mean :confused:

Florence 21-06-2004 08:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldoni
There must be something missing with that price as I only get one MySQL database and to give you a bigger Yikes I pay that for each domain I have.:mad: This year I have parked one domain ARD.co.uk which cost me £35.00. What about the NICs charges every two years, my hert-plumbers.org.uk was due in June and I received a letter from the registration company asking for £70.00 plus vat but as exploit are members they only pay £5.00 which is included in the £79.00 inc VAT. The Goldonian.org domain is due to run out at the end of July so please tell me more there must be other charges????? Not Just £10.69 per year ,,,Yikes :Yikes: :mad: :mad:

I have heard of these sort of prices but when you are just about to move over you find a bloody big spanner if you know what I mean :confused:

Move the domain to www.123-reg.co.uk it will only cost you around £6 for 2 yrs co.uk domains and you can point it to any hosting you wish bith of mine are there now.

homealone 21-06-2004 08:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldoni
There must be something missing with that price as I only get one MySQL database and to give you a bigger Yikes I pay that for each domain I have.:mad: This year I have parked one domain ARD.co.uk which cost me £35.00. What about the NICs charges every two years, my hert-plumbers.org.uk was due in June and I received a letter from the registration company asking for £70.00 plus vat but as exploit are members they only pay £5.00 which is included in the £79.00 inc VAT. The Goldonian.org domain is due to run out at the end of July so please tell me more there must be other charges????? Not Just £10.69 per year ,,,Yikes :Yikes: :mad: :mad:

I have heard of these sort of prices but when you are just about to move over you find a bloody big spanner if you know what I mean :confused:
no nothing missing, just a great deal & fantastic customer service. Like Kits said you don't have to use I-Web for the domain registration, but for a hosting solution I have found them to be brilliant.

goldoni 21-06-2004 09:46
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Now please feel free to call me thick :dunce: but I have just followed some of the links given and when you add it all up it comes within £20 not including the NICs charges which changes for the domain designate. The best so far is MBs recommendation with I-Web Solutions I just need to confirm the NIC charges for a .org domain.

All the other companies have charges for talking to a person at the end of a landline, and charges for Front Page extensions, which brings the yearly cost about the same.

Regarding Parked domains is that equal to what is called park and ride??? Which I am paying £35.00 for one domain ARD.co.uk that gives me email forwarding, pop3 accounts and domain forwarding?? I have attached a screen grab of my Cpanel, the last file I attached was not very clear so I hope these are a little better.

Richard M 21-06-2004 10:28
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1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldoni
I have attached a screen grab of my Cpanel, the last file I attached was not very clear so I hope these are a little better.[/font][/size]
We have cPanel on I-Web too:

goldoni 21-06-2004 10:50
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I like the way its laid out on your Cpanel and if the costs work out as posted that will be cool. One thing I take it Cf is hosted on the same server, last week I kept on getting page not found for CF was that a little hitch with CF or the servers??? I like the unlimited bits not that I would use them all as you can see from my sceen grabs, or is that because you have a top account???? What about the NICs fees

SMHarman 21-06-2004 10:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldoni
There must be something missing with that price as I only get one MySQL database and to give you a bigger Yikes I pay that for each domain I have.:mad: This year I have parked one domain ARD.co.uk which cost me £35.00. What about the NICs charges every two years, my hert-plumbers.org.uk was due in June and I received a letter from the registration company asking for £70.00 plus vat but as exploit are members they only pay £5.00 which is included in the £79.00 inc VAT. The Goldonian.org domain is due to run out at the end of July so please tell me more there must be other charges????? Not Just £10.69 per year ,,,Yikes :Yikes: :mad: :mad:

I have heard of these sort of prices but when you are just about to move over you find a bloody big spanner if you know what I mean :confused:
UK2 charge 12.50 NIC fees and £3.84 fees for a .org or .co.uk domain per 2 years.

So it is the £10.69 plus the domain fees.

My domains are all at UK2 who allow you to just type in the addresses of the iweb nameservers and thats the move done.

Richard M 21-06-2004 11:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldoni
I like the way its laid out on your Cpanel and if the costs work out as posted that will be cool. One thing I take it Cf is hosted on the same server, last week I kept on getting page not found for CF was that a little hitch with CF or the servers???
No, we have a dedicated server from I-Web which costs us in a month what you're currently paying for hosting in a year. ;)

Chris 21-06-2004 11:17
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
But recent events are not as bad as they seem...that downtime only affected one server, so the percentage impact will be much less when considering all the other sites on the other servers (like mine ;))
True, but if you're running a commercial site, the headline uptime figure provided by your service provider covering their entire operation is less relevant than the service level agreement you sign with them governing your specific site. The agreement I have with the host of our corporate site allows for only an hour or so per year downtime. If it exceeds that, we get pretty hefty rebates, which is nice for our budget, but if it's down for more than a couple of hours per year, we fail in our task of providing 24-7 media and investor information. As we are big PLC, failing to meet that commitment is a very big deal. For us, the fact that we get money back is incidental - the site simply has to stay up. If our site was affected in the way this one has been in the last couple of weeks, I'd have been on the carpet in a couple of very plush and senior offices explaining exactly what went wrong and how it is never going to happen ever again.

This is not to diss any particular webhost, and especially not iWeb, who are a generous friend to Cable Forum and its members. But you do have to match the scale and priorities of your operation and its website to those of the company that you wish to host it, and expect to pay accordingly.

JediMaster 21-06-2004 11:32
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I use http://www.uh-hosting.co.uk/ (or http://www.uh-hosting.co.uk/services_asp_aspPro.asp) to be exact :p:

It is GREAT for my Suzi Perry Gallery:D

SMHarman 21-06-2004 11:35
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If someone else sharing your server runs some crap scripts or has a resource intensive site, it will have a performance impact on you site. For this reason Corporate and now CF have their own server, problem tracking means tracking down your problem, not who on the server is causing the problem. However you will be looking at paying around £100+ a month for a dedicated server, you need the revenue or compliance requirements (as Towny has mentioned) to justify that investment.

While Iweb had problems with the sparrow (the server name), it has now been put down, and a replacement taken from the datacentre.

willie 21-06-2004 11:38
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Quote:
I received a letter from the registration company asking for £70.00 plus vat
Do not be taken in by these con artists there is no way this will cost you this.
a couple to watch out for are as follows
Domain Registration of America
Domain Registry Services
What these people do is trawl the internet looking for domain names that are about to expire and pray on the gullibility of people sending them letters in the hope that someone takes up the offer.


If your domain name is about to expire go to the company that your domain name is regged with and simply renew it there

SMHarman 21-06-2004 12:09
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Web Junkie
Do not be taken in by these con artists there is no way this will cost you this.
a couple to watch out for are as follows
Domain Registration of America
Domain Registry Services
What these people do is trawl the internet looking for domain names that are about to expire and pray on the gullibility of people sending them letters in the hope that someone takes up the offer.


If your domain name is about to expire go to the company that your domain name is regged with and simply renew it there
That said nic.uk allow renewal directly with themselves and charge considerably more than if you do it through a member.

JediMaster 21-06-2004 13:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Web Junkie
Do not be taken in by these con artists there is no way this will cost you this.
a couple to watch out for are as follows
Domain Registration of America
Domain Registry Services
What these people do is trawl the internet looking for domain names that are about to expire and pray on the gullibility of people sending them letters in the hope that someone takes up the offer.


If your domain name is about to expire go to the company that your domain name is regged with and simply renew it there
I had a lotter off NOMINET.UK
They want £94 for a domain I had via 123-Reg

So I logged back in Updated my CreditCard & got it for £6:D

SMHarman 21-06-2004 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JediMaster
I had a lotter off NOMINET.UK
They want £94 for a domain I had via 123-Reg

So I logged back in Updated my CreditCard & got it for £6:D
£80 + VAT at 17.5% is £94. The letter you had was legit.

http://www.nic.uk/RegisteringYourDom...istrationFees/

Quote:
Originally Posted by nic.uk
Registration fees
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nominet UK's registration fees cover a period of two years, after which a renewal fee is payable (at the same rate) for each subsequent two year period.

Registering direct with Nominet

Nominet charges £80 plus VAT per direct domain name registration, which must be paid in full in advance.

Registering via a Nominet member

Nominet offers its members a discount on registration fees. Registration agents (ISPs), including Nominet members, usually combine the domain name registration fee with charges for other services that they provide to end users. Prices therefore vary widely in the commercial marketplace and you should shop around in order to find a deal that suits your needs.

The members' fee is given in return for members undertaking some of the administration associated with bulk registrations, including end user billing, which would otherwise be carried out by Nominet.

VAT

Value added Tax (VAT) at the current rate is added to all Nominet invoices for domain name registration and membership. This applies to both EU countries and non-EU countries.

This is a ruling by HM Customs and Excise because the service is supplied in the UK and not the country of the registration agent or registrant.

You may be able to reclaim VAT in your own country. Please see http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/723conts.htm for details.

slysy 21-06-2004 14:07
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Does iweb support php?

Nemesis 21-06-2004 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slysy
Does iweb support php?
Yes

slysy 21-06-2004 14:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis
Yes
OK thanks im sold :) but how do I transfer it? Not too knowledgeable on this sort of thing... How do I transfer a nameserver and do I have to do anything else? As its a .co.uk do I have to change IPS tags?

willie 21-06-2004 16:32
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All you need change is the nameservers to point to i-web there is no need to change ips tags unless you are transferring domaian names to another registrar

Florence 21-06-2004 17:15
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Would it be possible for such as myself to take out hosting to be used by my son. he has hosting right now but I am paying £60 a year for 50 mb hosted in the US.

his present one is www.mexicola.co.uk that is hosted in US.

willie 21-06-2004 17:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kits
Would it be possible for such as myself to take out hosting to be used by my son. he has hosting right now but I am paying £60 a year for 50 mb hosted in the US.

his present one is www.mexicola.co.uk that is hosted in US.
But of course it is possible just select the package that you want sign up afterwhich you will recieve an email telling you all the details you will need to know.

slysy 21-06-2004 17:47
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OK I have signed up, now for the rather mammoth task of getting my previous host to change the name servers :o (they are not the best)

KingPhoenix 21-06-2004 18:08
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If they wont play ball, you can always transfer your domain to ukreg.com, they accept free .uk domain transfers.... and then you have full access over the nameserver entries yourself :)

KP

SMHarman 21-06-2004 18:10
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slysy
OK I have signed up, now for the rather mammoth task of getting my previous host to change the name servers :o (they are not the best)
Can you not do it through their online management utilities? Seems I got lucky with my random selection of UK2 many moons ago.

JediMaster 22-06-2004 10:01
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
£80 + VAT at 17.5% is £94. The letter you had was legit.

http://www.nic.uk/RegisteringYourDom...istrationFees/
So I have to pay them aswell as 123REG? Or 1 of them?

SMHarman 22-06-2004 10:23
Re: Comparing Web Host Providers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediMaster
So I have to pay them aswell as 123REG? Or 1 of them?
No read post 24 again properly :D

The paying them directly £94 is one option, otherwise you can pay through a member e.g. 123REG, who will charge what they consider to be a commercial fee, along with other required fees for DNS management etc. As 123REG do the end user billing accounts receivable, deal in bulk etc, the cost nominet charge them is considerably lower than the £80 they offer to you.

Put that letter in the bin if you have paid 123REG. Think of it as a reminder if 123REG are tardy.

JediMaster 22-06-2004 11:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
No read post 24 again properly :D

The paying them directly £94 is one option, otherwise you can pay through a member e.g. 123REG, who will charge what they consider to be a commercial fee, along with other required fees for DNS management etc. As 123REG do the end user billing accounts receivable, deal in bulk etc, the cost nominet charge them is considerably lower than the £80 they offer to you.

Put that letter in the bin if you have paid 123REG. Think of it as a reminder if 123REG are tardy.
Oops :disturbd:

Sorry I see NOW.
Wll use the Bill for £94 to wipe me (Nose) lol


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