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Chris 22-05-2004 20:39

Fashion icon or football thug?
 
David Beckham's latest tattoo is a winged cross on the back of his neck. Media reaction seems largely hostile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3738305.stm

What do you think of it?

Defiant 22-05-2004 20:41

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Dont think its anyone's bussiness to be honest

kronas 22-05-2004 20:43

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Originally Posted by Defiant
Dont think its anyone's bussiness to be honest

yeh, i read that article earlier on and some of the comments on the BBC site, to be honest it is no ones business what anyone does to themselves, regardless of his celebrity status or anyones elses status it is up to the individual to do what they want to do.

its just the media stirring it, people will buy the papers.

smegs 22-05-2004 21:49

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I think its stupid they got nothing better to do than complain about his new tattoo who cares its up to him what he does its his body

Paul 22-05-2004 22:28

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It looks stupid - but each to their own - nothing to do with me.

Chris 23-05-2004 00:55

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I'm surprised by the level of agreement here! Although I think I agree with the consensus. Personally I think it looks very stupid, but then it's his bod.

Russ 23-05-2004 00:57

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I'm sure in the next few weeks, identical tattoos will spring up on the necks of young 'fashionable' males with large disposable incomes....

Marge 23-05-2004 00:57

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From a personal point of view I like men with tattoo's so all this does is just endear Mr Beckham to me even more :drool:

Graham 23-05-2004 01:05

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I think the (current) last comment on that page is the best:

You ask if his tattoo matters - the real question is "Does David Beckham matter?"

And IMO the answer is a resounding "NO!"

Paul 23-05-2004 01:19

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Originally Posted by Russ D
I'm sure in the next few weeks, identical tattoos will spring up on the necks of young 'fashionable' males with large disposable incomes....

and few working brains cells ........

Ramrod 23-05-2004 01:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by towny
David Beckham's latest tattoo is a winged cross on the back of his neck. Media reaction seems largely hostile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3738305.stm

What do you think of it?

He's a nice guy but a complete plonker for having it done :rolleyes:

kronas 23-05-2004 01:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
He's a nice guy but a complete plonker for having it done :rolleyes:

who are you to say hes a plonker ? who am i to say your a t***** ?

from my own point of view he choose to do it because he wanted to do it, its neither yours or anyone elses business on what he does, doesent do, all the baggage that gets reported about him is none of YOURS or MINES business.

everyone is an individual in their choice, no one has the right to slag you down or off because at the end of it all he is a human being, ok hes a footballer playing for a huge club he has a high profile girlfreind so what ?

the media intrudes on them, then people buy the literature, then the media slags him and his wife down, why ?

because your all sucked in to the media mind games, one day he is a hero the next he is a villan.

what i am trying to say is stop being critical of people's choices.

Ramrod 23-05-2004 02:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
who are you to say hes a plonker ? who am i to say your a t***** ?

Woah there kronas! Even his tatoo artist tried to talk him out of it as a bad idea.
I see a lot of tattoos in my line of work. Without exeption (so far, in 11 years of practice), all of my older patients with tattoos are unhappy that they had them done.
They see them as something stupid that they did when they were young.....and it costs about £50-£200 pounds to have a tattoo put on. It costs thousands to have them removed.



(I also said that he seems to be a nice guy btw)

kronas 23-05-2004 02:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
Woah there kronas! Even his tatoo artist tried to talk him out of it as a bad idea.
I see a lot of tattoos in my line of work. Without exeption (so far, in 11 years of practice), all of my older patients with tattoos are unhappy that they had them done.
They see them as something stupid that they did when they were young.....and it costs about £50-£200 pounds to have a tattoo put on. It costs thousands to have them removed.

if people are unhappy its their fault, i have rarely made a decision i have regretted yep we make mistakes.

why do you or i have the right to stick our noses in his business, would you like it if i told you to stop being a chiro, going on about ? others hear about it and constantly tell you to stop your proffession ?

think about it.

Ramrod 23-05-2004 02:38

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Originally Posted by kronas
if people are unhappy its their fault, i have rarely made a decision i have regretted yep we make mistakes.

why do you or i have the right to stick our noses in his business, would you like it if i told you to stop being a chiro, going on about ? others hear about it and constantly tell you to stop your proffession ?

think about it.

Whats up with you tonight m8? You are equating his ill advised decision to have a tattoo visible on his neck with my occupation decision? :confused:


Anyhow....I guarantee you that in later years he will regret this and probably many other tattoos. Just an observation that I have picked up from speaking to hundreds of tattood 50+year olds
Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
if people are unhappy its their fault.

He will be unhappy, it will have been his fault. Thats why I say he's a plonker for having it done :shrug:.
Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
why do you or i have the right to stick our noses in his business.

I'm not sticking my note into his business, I'm just answering Townys question :confused:

kronas 23-05-2004 02:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
Whats up with you tonight m8? You are equating his ill advised decision to have a tattoo visible on his neck with my occupation decision? :confused:


no im attacking the media and people who criticse him for every little move he makes ffs let him live.

:rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod
Anyhow....I guarantee you that in later years he will regret this and probably many other tattoos. Just an observation that I have picked up from speaking to hundreds of tattood 50+year olds.

if he had 20,30,40, or if he was like that person whos tattoed from head to toe its the persons decision.

"it looks bad" "he looks like a thug" "he will regret it"

my question is:

who the **** are you to say those things ?

its his decision let him live with it.

punky 23-05-2004 03:07

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I can't believe the fuss over it. Personally I think the design is a bit naff, but if he likes it, then good for him. You can't say everyone regrets it, although most do.

Debsy: You need to buy your bloke one of these maybe?

I sometimes wondered what having flames going up my arms like Chester Bennington from Linkin Park. (see here) Although it is a bit cheesey. I doubt i'd ever get it done though.

imback 23-05-2004 03:48

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I agree with Kronas, and I never do that:D It's his choice, I wouldn't care what he though of my tattoos, so why should he care what I think of his?

I don't like the design and I'd never have one there, but the design means something to him and that's the important thing, if when he's 50 he wants it rmeoved I'm sure he'll have a spare grand or 2 to get it removed.

As for people regretting having their tats, then they had them for the worng reason, I have 3, each one was done to remind me of a time, a new start, and one of them even got a bit messed up, but I love them and especially the messed up one as the fact it's messed up makes it more fitting for what it was to remind me of.

Chris 23-05-2004 11:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
my question is:

who the **** are you to say those things ?

its his decision let him live with it.

Who Ramrod is, is a free-thinking human being who is entitled to his opinion, just the same as Beckham is a (presumably) free-thinking human being who is entitled to do whatever he wants with his body. We express opinions about beliefs, situations and people on this forum every day of the week. Why are opinions about a tattoo on David Beckham's neck suddenly so heinous?

Yes, getting a tattoo was Beckham's own decision. Yes, he is the one who should be left to live with it. But why are we suddenly not allowed to observe 'I think it looks awful', or 'I predict he will regret it'?

I think you are getting confused between the right to express an opinion on a forum (which is democratic) and a right to force someone to do things your way (which is fascist). Telling someone that they have no right to express a point of view is also fascist. Let's not go there.

Ramrod 23-05-2004 12:18

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Well said towny :tu:

Paul 23-05-2004 13:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
my question is:

who the **** are you to say those things ?

its his decision let him live with it.

I think it's time to calm down now Kronas - there is no need to speak to people in this tone. Ramrod has the right to express his views without others resorting to foul language in their replies.

kink 23-05-2004 14:30

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As already said....... it's Beckham's business how he choses to decorate or defile his body, i, like debsy, quite like tattoos but depending on where they are and what they portray :shrug: It's obviously a personal preference and i'd try not to judge someone by a tattoo alone... unless it's on his forehead and reads I'm a nazi b@$tard on a stylized nazi swastika and even then s/he may just have an warped sense of humour :erm:

I am surprised, however, that his tattooist agreed to do it in the first place....... most reputable tattoo artists refuse to place tattoos on any part of the body that can cannot be disguised by clothing if need be, such as on the face and hands, unless of course the person has them already :) But then money talks...... as does power and status.

If the question being asked is.... do you like that tattoo specifically....... then no..... not my thang :D

Russ 23-05-2004 14:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kink
If the question being asked is.... do you like that tattoo specifically....... then no..... not my thang :D

*makes notes that kink does not like that kind of tatt......

kink 23-05-2004 14:50

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Originally Posted by Russ D
*makes notes that kink does not like that kind of tatt......

Nor that type of twa........ anyway :D

I'm not keen on the bearer of that particular tattoo either.......... sorry debs :shrug: :)

Tattoos or not.......... could Beckham ever seriously be seen as a football thug?

Ramrod 23-05-2004 14:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kink
Tattoos or not.......... could Beckham ever seriously be seen as a football thug?

Nope...

Nemesis 24-05-2004 11:29

Re: Fashion icon or football thug?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas
who are you to say hes a plonker ? who am i to say your a t***** ?

from my own point of view he choose to do it because he wanted to do it, its neither yours or anyone elses business on what he does, doesent do, all the baggage that gets reported about him is none of YOURS or MINES business.

everyone is an individual in their choice, no one has the right to slag you down or off because at the end of it all he is a human being, ok hes a footballer playing for a huge club he has a high profile girlfreind so what ?

the media intrudes on them, then people buy the literature, then the media slags him and his wife down, why ?

because your all sucked in to the media mind games, one day he is a hero the next he is a villan.

what i am trying to say is stop being critical of people's choices.

Blimey, Kronie seems to have regressed 10 months ... I haven't seen posts like this from him in a LONG time.

Have to say I'm dissapointed that you have reverted to this kind of knee jerk reaction to an OPINION. I thought you had out grown this ??

Nugget 24-05-2004 11:48

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I really can't see what the fuss is about - as has been said, it's his body and he can choose what to do with it. Kink's pretty much summed it up - most tattooists advise against tattoos on the neck etc but Beckham has the money (and the celebrity) to just do what he wants.

The Mirror on Saturday had on their front page (and I'm paraphrasing 'cos I can't remember the exact wording) 'The tattoo that makes Beckham look like a hooligan'. It's been said before elsewhere, but it's this sort of inflammatory comment that causes problems - at the end of the day, the tattoo's not that bad (although it's not the best I've seen), and it obviously means something to him.

At the end of the day, Beckhamââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s the same as everybody else †“ if he regrets any of his tattoos in later life, heâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ll have to pay to get rid of them (although I accept that heâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s got more money than most).

Personally, I have 3 tattoos (one on each upper arm and one on my back), but wouldnââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have one where it was always on show †“ I got them for myself, and show them when I want. However, the point remains that itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s his choice so let him make it and, if there are any, let him suffer the consequences.


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