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Daniel davies

20-05-2004 17:30

rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

on the UK XBOX LIVE DISCUSSION web forum(http://www.forums.xbox.com), rumour has it NTL are increasing the upload speed to 400k. this is connected to the 1.5mb increase.

the title is NTL SLOW DOWN.

has anyone else heard about an increase on the upload ??

Defiant

20-05-2004 17:33

Re: upload speed increase. 400k NTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel davies

I'd say the slow down is there website. Its down :erm:

Tezcatlipoca

20-05-2004 18:31

Re: upload speed increase. 400k NTL

The forums & site are up - it is the link that is wrong.

The forum link should be:

http://forums.xbox.com & not http://www.forums.xbox.com

Anyway. 400k upload? Not heard anything about it 'till now. Be great if it happened, but somehow I doubt NTL would do it.

paulyoung666

20-05-2004 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

or could do it :erm:

NEONKNIGHT

20-05-2004 19:43

Re: upload speed increase. 400k NTL

I've read in the latest Computeractive mag that NTL & Telewest are going to increase the BB speeds by 50% for no extra charge to the user :Yikes:

:)

Jarandco

20-05-2004 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NEONKNIGHT

I've read in the latest Computeractive mag that NTL & Telewest are going to increase the BB speeds by 50% for no extra charge to the user :Yikes:

:)

Keep up! :pp :D

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=11564 theres a small (29 page) thread about it here :angel:

NEONKNIGHT

20-05-2004 20:00

Re: upload speed increase. 400k NTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarandco

Keep up! :pp :D

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=11564 theres a small (29 page) thread about it here :angel:

LOL! :D I getting too old for this ! ;)

Tezcatlipoca

21-05-2004 18:00

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Link to the thread:

http://forums.xbox.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=7508866

Requires you sign-in with a .NET Passport though - even just to read it :rolleyes:

Snippets...

Quote:

Originally Posted by smsidewalk @ XBox.com forums

I rang NTL today because my internet is now becoming really slow....[snip]....While i was talking to him [NTL TS] i decided to ask about the upload available and he told me that at the moment 256k is the max but when they all get upgraded (to 1.5mb i think it was) that the upload is also being upgraded (but he didnt say to what).

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolverine 79 @ XBox.com forums

the ntl upload speed i was told will be approx 400k when the speed upgrades take place

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilted warrier @ XBox.com forums

I have e-mailed nthell, qureying the upload speed of the service when it gets upgraded, they phoned back and explained that they will only be upgrading the download speed and will not be touching the upload speed and have no plans to increase the upload speed. We should be getting 375kb upload on the 1.5mb service as the network is set at upload being a quarter of the download.

I was told that blue yonder increased thier upload speeds to 400kbs recently, so maybe nthell have decided to follow suit, they might have changed thier minds since last week, I really hope so. ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£40 a month and I can't even host a 10 man game on RS3 without lag. You gat 256kbs upload on a BT 512kb connection for ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£20, are we being ripped of or what.

An upload increase seems very unlikely to me. But 2 people (at least) seem to have been told that it is going to happen (while a 3rd says NTL told him they aren't, but he also says TW/BY *are* increasing theirs).

Confusion on their part? Confusion on the part of whoever spoke to them?

th'engineer

21-05-2004 18:48

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

now normally by this time in a thread we have someone who works for NTL saying no they are not. Now so far we have not had this so it might be true:)

Defiant

21-05-2004 18:51

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer

now normally by this time in a thread we have someone who works for NTL saying no they are not. Now so far we have not had this so it might be true:)

Nah just can't see it. They would be beating Telewest apart from there 3MB download service so it wont happen

icanadvise

21-05-2004 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer

now normally by this time in a thread we have someone who works for NTL saying no they are not. Now so far we have not had this so it might be true:)

its a bit of a shame that this forum doesn't have any contacts with the senior internet team like it sometimes seems to have with the tv people. :confused: There is an article on the company intranet that catagorically states there is no increase in upload, its from the Director of Technology in internet. Its also in the briefings - sounds like the peeps on the phone didnt read em :rolleyes:

dremmel

21-05-2004 19:22

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no comment or denial by NTL staff (usually within the first three/four follow on's)= it will happen
remember the price drop from ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£50 a good while back (on .com board)just to name one. Wonder why the reg' hasn't picked it up, or was I asleep

kronas

21-05-2004 19:36

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why would NTL do an uprgarde on upload ? uploading is a commodity, UBR's are already stretched on capacity...... i dont see it happening until they switch docsis to give more bandwidth.......and they dont have the money to do that.

Bill C

21-05-2004 19:40

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer

now normally by this time in a thread we have someone who works for NTL saying no they are not. Now so far we have not had this so it might be true:)

Well here you go. I have not heard anything about the upload being increased. The download yes but not the upload. I would have been told by now, But there again i have been out of the loop on things before :).

dremmel

21-05-2004 19:40

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

aren't some area's on eurodocsis ?

kronas

21-05-2004 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dremmel

aren't some area's on eurodocsis ?

ex C&W are........

Bill C

21-05-2004 19:42

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by dremmel

aren't some area's on eurodocsis ?

Yes they are. All ex cwc broadband enabled areas.

Kronas Beat me to it :)

dremmel

21-05-2004 19:43

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

:D that's me sorted then (if it happens . . . ):D

Tezcatlipoca

21-05-2004 19:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas

Exactly. I don't see how the UBRs could cope with an increased upload. And, as you say, they wouldn't be able to afford to upgrade.

I think the following probably kill-off this rumour....

Quote:

Originally Posted by icanadvise

There is an article on the company intranet that catagorically states there is no increase in upload, its from the Director of Technology in internet. Its also in the briefings - sounds like the peeps on the phone didnt read em :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill C

Bill C

21-05-2004 19:47

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by dremmel

:D that's me sorted then (if it happens . . . ):D

As i stated i have heard nothing. I did talk to 1 of the managers involved yesterday about the upgrades in speed and he did not say anything about the upload going up. Now as we had a good chat about how we were going to handle this in my area you would think he would have told me if it was. I could be wrong you never know. :)

Defiant

21-05-2004 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas

ex C&W are........

Was that something good old c&w left us :)

Bill C

21-05-2004 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant

Was that something good old c&w left us :)

Indeed :tu:

kronas

21-05-2004 19:51

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant

Was that something good old c&w left us :)

yep, your less likely to suffer problems because of bandwidth congestion compaired to the other NTL areas.

but i still dont see it happening, as much as it would be a positive step and welcomed by many.....

th'engineer

21-05-2004 19:51

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

:angel: it would make sense 256 upload :angel:

Neil	21-05-2004 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer

:angel: it would make sense 256 upload :angel:

I've already got 256k up thanks! :D

Bill C

21-05-2004 19:54

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil

I've already got 256k up thanks! :D

So have i

th'engineer

21-05-2004 22:42

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

I have not could use it

Paul	21-05-2004 22:57

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I did hear this rumour a week or two ago and hinted about it in another thread - but I got shot down so I gave up.

BTW - what makes you think NTL have no money to spend on upgrades Kronas - did it occur to you that this might be why they are waiting before rolling out the speed changes - because they are upgrading stuff to cope better ?

kronas

22-05-2004 00:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pem

BTW - what makes you think NTL have no money to spend on upgrades Kronas - did it occur to you that this might be why they are waiting before rolling out the speed changes - because they are upgrading stuff to cope better ?

ask bbking, i remember him talking about how its not as simple as rolling it out when 1meg was going to be launched, it takes alot more then 'upping' the speeds.......

i just cant see it happening, unless they did change docsis, and if NTL did not upgrade docsis then made the stupid move of upping it to 400k expect a mass influx of new complaints about degraded service....

remember each upload channel is small 2-4mbit i cant remember the exact figure but it is between those two, have about 300-400 users (busy channel)

now you have 6-8 customers on 1meg and on 600k taking in to account constant uploaders and peak time usage its chaos if it was 400k.

Chris W

22-05-2004 01:06

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas

remember each upload channel is small 2-4mbit i cant remember the exact figure but it is between those two, have about 300-400 users (busy channel)

:Yikes: extremely busy channel! I can honestly say i have never seen a channel with more than about 250 users on!!

kronas

22-05-2004 01:42

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeybreath

:Yikes: extremely busy channel! I can honestly say i have never seen a channel with more than about 250 users on!!

i have. although its rare utilisation is a better measurement.

Richard M

22-05-2004 02:40

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by icanadvise

its a bit of a shame that this forum doesn't have any contacts with the senior internet team

We still have contacts. ;)
And now, we know who we can trust...

etccarmageddon

22-05-2004 08:47

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

I doubt the upload will be increased because it's the headline rate (ie. download speed) which is used to sell the product by the marketting team.

and remember the only reason the download speeds increased was cos TW forced the issue - so unless TW make a big announcement that their upload speeds are going up, dont expect anything from NTL.

http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyond...formation_faqs

"The upstream speed will remain at the current levels - 128kbps for the 512k (750k) service, and 256kbps for the 1Mb and 2Mb (1.5Mb and 3Mb) services."

Stop It

22-05-2004 18:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronas

400 users on each upload channel? blimey, thats a bit high, Ive tested mine a few times using docsdiag, and theres 6 upload chans on the server, each with around 100, apart from channel 6 (one i'm on) which has 80, which seems pretty low by the looks of it, so Gwan ntl, chuck meh upload up, wont harm you, much, :angel:

Defiant

22-05-2004 18:51

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pem

Yep it wouldn't make bussiness sense for them not to put any money back into the network. But then again sense and NTL :erm:

Chrysalis

22-05-2004 19:34

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

I very much doubt the upload rates will be increased, cable suffers horridly from upload congestion and I am sure ntl dont want gamers on their back moaning about poor pings.

baldy

22-05-2004 20:01

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Upload speeds will not be changing, it would be suicide :shocked: with the current docsis implementation and network infrastructure. It also costs more in transit charges. The downstream channel can be cached locally to some degree.

As for 300 - 400 users per channel, I've seen a few. Most of them have been at the top of the upgrade plans thankfully ;)

kronas

22-05-2004 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy

As for 300 - 400 users per channel, I've seen a few. Most of them have been at the top of the upgrade plans thankfully ;)

most are at 100-200 on average..........

Ignition

23-05-2004 23:22

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

You guys are completely forgetting that STBs in ex-C+W areas use the same uBRs that cable modems do, and that all STBs connect to uBRs whether they have a broadband service or not - those quoting 100 - 200 are really discussing the Langley areas, it's perfectly possible to get 4-500 users on a single upstream with no issues.

Ah something else - EuroDOCSIS does not include any facilities for higher upstream that aren't in American DOCSIS, the only difference in terms of bandwidth offered out of the box is the bigger downstream :)

BBKing

25-05-2004 14:26

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Spot on n00b.

ED gives you ~25% greater downstream

Doubling the upstream bandwidth capacity by using wider channels, er, increases the upstream capacity and decreases the likelihood of congestion. Doesn't require any DOCSIS changes, does require a good HFC area. Being rolled out now (in fact a large chunk of the network is done).

I've seen 700+ devices on an upstream, mostly STBs. That area's been resegmented and upstream doubled since then (first area in fact).

Upstream is remaining the same, only downstream's getting the % free upgrade.

etccarmageddon

25-05-2004 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBKing

Upstream is remaining the same, only downstream's getting the % free upgrade.

everyone take note - forget your rumours etc, if BB says it aint going up then it aint going up.

Daniel davies

27-05-2004 18:33

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If the upload doesn't increase, bye bye NTL.

fed up with the crap upload for ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£38.00 quid.

Tezcatlipoca

27-05-2004 18:40

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

You won't get a higher upload with ADSL, though. Although you will get the same upload for less money.

:notopic:

btw, I see you're in Surrey.... have a look at this thread about wireless BB (with a decent upload).... you might be lucky & be in an area which is covered...http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=12829

Paul	27-05-2004 18:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel davies

If the upload doesn't increase, bye bye NTL.

fed up with the crap upload for ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£38.00 quid.

and where will you go for a higher upload speed ?

Bill C

27-05-2004 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pem

and where will you go for a higher upload speed ?

:) you beat me to it :)

nidave

28-05-2004 11:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBKing

Doesn't require any DOCSIS changes, does require a good HFC area. Being rolled out now (in fact a large chunk of the network is done).

What is an HFC area? anc can someone explain what the DOCSIS is?
is the BB on a diffrent frequency to the TV?

Anyone point me to a website that explains all this?

Rik	30-05-2004 21:31

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

I would be very very suprised if upload speed was increased!!
I will go out on a limb and say its NOT GONNA HAPPEN :)

arcamalpha2004

30-05-2004 22:23

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rik

I would be very very suprised if upload speed was increased!!
I will go out on a limb and say its NOT GONNA HAPPEN :)

Just as the speed increase in july?;)

etccarmageddon

30-05-2004 23:11

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rik

I would be very very suprised if upload speed was increased!!
I will go out on a limb and say its NOT GONNA HAPPEN :)

you wont be going out on a limb - various NTL employees including the very reliable BBKING say it aint gonna happen.

zovat

30-05-2004 23:38

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

you wont be going out on a limb - various NTL employees including the very reliable BBKING say it aint gonna happen.

Normally I ignore NTL saying "this is not going to happen" because the rumors turn out to be true..
That said I have yet to find the NTL Employees on this site to be wrong - So I guess I'll have to accept that this is not going to happen. :(

BBKing

31-05-2004 07:55

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

various NTL employees including the very reliable BBKING say it aint gonna happen.

I do hope I'm right...

:D

Ignition

31-05-2004 10:48

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBKing

I do hope I'm right...

:D

I would laugh my arse off if you aren't :p :D

Siuko

31-05-2004 12:01

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

Lets forget about rumours of possible upload speed increases.... we may as well just wait for hard facts!

What is actually feasible for download and upload through the NTL network?

All these poeple wanting stuff for free will just put more pressure on a network which often has issues anyway!

I say to NTL.... provide a more configurable service where if we want more we pay more!! I've got my cash ready!!! :disturbd:

Bill C

31-05-2004 12:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

I would laugh my arse off if you aren't :p :D

:LOL:

Rik	31-05-2004 14:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Siuko

I say to NTL.... provide a more configurable service where if we want more we pay more!! I've got my cash ready!!! :disturbd:

I would gladly pay extra ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ’Ã† â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£s for a 500Kbps upload :)

Ps Ive been looking at the business options for faster connections and there doesnt seem to be a list of prices, and I dont want to leaave my tel no for a rep to try and flog it to me!!

Anyone have a rough idea of what prices these Business Tariffs are? say for instance a 8/10meg line?

TIA

JonathanLH

01-06-2004 00:35

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

afaik, the business cable service gives you a 512/256 or a 1024/256, if you want more, they only offer leased lines
if you can get it, sdsl is possible for more upload, or getting multiple cable modem lines and a fancy router such as the hotbrick 600/2.

daxx	01-06-2004 09:10

Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k

or the Cyclone range listed at http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...?SupplierID=32

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