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tkiely 19-05-2004 15:42
ntl/napster partnership!
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/19/napster_ntl/

hows this gonna work with the cap? 1Gb per day UNLESS you are paying to get stuff from Napster? :dozey:

bigitup_j 19-05-2004 17:54
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
at the bottom of the page
Quote:
An NTL spokeswoman said the cableco does not comment on rumours.
in other words, it's gonna happen! :D

Defiant 19-05-2004 17:58
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tkiely
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/19/napster_ntl/

hows this gonna work with the cap? 1Gb per day UNLESS you are paying to get stuff from Napster? :dozey:
To be honest now I think the cap is only going to affect people who are downloading 24/7 none stop and well we all know that takes some doing unless your downloading things you shouldn't be to sell on which is wrong. I myself download allot of stuff but have never downloaded 24/7. At the most 3days constant but thats it and I've only done that 1 maybe twice in the last 12 months

Alanmelon 19-05-2004 18:39
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Especially when you consider that the average mp3 file is 3-4meg. 1Gb would equate to a lotta music in one day!

Neil 20-05-2004 09:08
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Whatever way you look at it, it's extra load on the (already creaking) ntl network.....

bigitup_j 20-05-2004 14:51
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Creaking? bits are dropping off!!

:D

andygrif 20-05-2004 15:11
Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Says it all really. http://www.napster.co.uk

Lew 20-05-2004 15:11
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Quote:
System Requirements
PC only, Windows XP/2000, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.1 or higher, Windows Media Player 7.1 or higher, Internet connectivity
:td:

SMHarman 20-05-2004 15:34
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alanmelon
Especially when you consider that the average mp3 file is 3-4meg. 1Gb would equate to a lotta music in one day!
Indeed, frenetic downloading would also fill the biggest iPod in less than a month. It would give you 797 hours (33.22 non stop days) of music to listen to.

andygrif 20-05-2004 16:07
Re: Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Not much use to us iPodders though!

SMHarman 20-05-2004 16:31
Re: Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
Not much use to us iPodders though!
They are MP3's so surely they can be dumped into iTunes. Sound quality won't be as good as AAC thought, and the image files will be stored separately.

Lew 20-05-2004 16:37
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
IIRC they don't use MP3s. They use protected WMAs.

SMHarman 20-05-2004 16:54
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Looking at the limited detail on the site, that makes sense...
Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
Not much use to us iPodders though!

andygrif 20-05-2004 17:07
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Merged threads always confuse the hell outta me!! Mimi is right - the new Napster will only have WMA files, as Mp3's don't have the digital rights management.

So for us 'podders we'll have to wait until iTunes Music Store launches in the UK - I think now Napster has there will be a big push fairly soon - although they have run into the arrogant Euro record labels that like to control the market by keeping release dates different in each market. As Apple runs iTunes on a low margin basis they would really need the whole of Europe as a suitable market to make it worth doing.

Stewh 20-05-2004 17:42
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
of course, you could always just use http://www.mp3unsigned.com and find some awesome unsigned bands, e.g. Young Georgian Lolitaz, Devane, Milk, A.D.L.A. etc etc etc

all mp3's, easily converted to WMA

andygrif 20-05-2004 17:47
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewh
of course, you could always just use http://www.mp3unsigned.com and find some awesome unsigned bands, e.g. Young Georgian Lolitaz, Devane, Milk, A.D.L.A. etc etc etc

all mp3's, easily converted to WMA
Doesn't have the new Busted song on it though does it???? :LOL:

There will be a few of these popping up - this is what Stelios is planning too, with 'Copy Left' material available freely. Also Wippit is worth trying - but for me I'm sticking to the ripping - there's probably not much on Napster that I don't have on CD in fact I know I have more tracks!

John Smiths 20-05-2004 20:41
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif

<snip>

Mimi is right - the new Napster will only have WMA files, as Mp3's don't have the digital rights management.

So for us 'podders we'll have to wait until iTunes Music Store launches in the UK

<snip>
AFAIK, with the latest version of iTunes, you can convert WMAs to MP3s...so iPodders on PCs would still be able to use the service...

EDIT: Ahhh....only unprotected WMAs can be converted and they use protected ones....oh well!!

poolking 20-05-2004 21:39
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Does anyone know whether this service will work with winamp? I can't stand Windows Media Player.

andygrif 20-05-2004 23:27
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Smiths
AFAIK, with the latest version of iTunes, you can convert WMAs to MP3s...so iPodders on PCs would still be able to use the service...

EDIT: Ahhh....only unprotected WMAs can be converted and they use protected ones....oh well!!
Yep...no joy for us yet!

Quote:
Originally Posted by poolking
Does anyone know whether this service will work with winamp? I can't stand Windows Media Player.
Can you play WMA files on Winamp? I'm not sure the DRM would work in it, perhaps someone else knows or have a look at the Winamp website.

poolking 21-05-2004 06:58
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
Yep...no joy for us yet!



Can you play WMA files on Winamp? I'm not sure the DRM would work in it, perhaps someone else knows or have a look at the Winamp website.
Just checked the winamp site v5.0.3 now includes support for WMP9 audio, so it looks like it could do.

Alan Waddington 21-05-2004 08:35
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
The subscription service looks interesting if you listen to a lot of music at your PC, but then you can listen to the radio for free. I like the idea of custom compilations though, as that could work out cheaper then buying several CDs when you only want one or two tracks from each. Am I right in assuming that the transfer to CD option creates a normal CD-ROM that can be played in a CD-player?

andygrif 21-05-2004 09:49
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
I was unsure about that model. £10 a month sounds a lot to just listen to stuff - after all I can go to HMV and do just that! Surely only the download and burn to disc function is the attractive part of any such online music service - and you still have to pay extra to do that. I might be wrong on this, but I don't think the subscription version will do that well - but it could be a caviat that the music industry required here (which is probably what's holding Apple up too)

Richard M 21-05-2004 15:11
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
I saw something interesting today.
I walked through Central Square (Cardiff) to go to work and on the floor were loads and loads of Napster.co.uk logos drawn in chalk.
Very impressive they were too, it must have been an official thing. :)

SMHarman 21-05-2004 15:38
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
<snip> but it could be a caviat that the music industry required here (which is probably what's holding Apple up too)
Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
Merged threads always confuse the hell outta me!! Mimi is right - the new Napster will only have WMA files, as Mp3's don't have the digital rights management.

So for us 'podders we'll have to wait until iTunes Music Store launches in the UK - I think now Napster has there will be a big push fairly soon - although they have run into the arrogant Euro record labels that like to control the market by keeping release dates different in each market. As Apple runs iTunes on a low margin basis they would really need the whole of Europe as a suitable market to make it worth doing.
:confused:

andygrif 21-05-2004 15:48
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Stop being clever!

The two things are connected - there's actually a lot more to this story than I can tell you right now. Let's just say there are some 'issues'.

poolking 22-05-2004 07:01
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Just tested it, winamp will start to play the wma, but then shut down.

bigitup_j 14-06-2004 17:30
Re: ntl/napster partnership!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigitup_j
at the bottom of the page

in other words, it's gonna happen! :D
and yes, it has happened...
ntl and napster partnership
i can read ntl like a book! :D

ntl customer 14-06-2004 18:27
Yet another rip off from the record companies...
 
All I can say is don't buy into it. Don't support the rip-off mechants that are the record companies. They charge enough already for CD singles but this is worse value, compared to the quality you get on a CD single. There you get a physical product that you can play on whatever you choose, in a format you choose.

£1.10 for a compressed DRM-protected WMA file is very poor value if you buy the track outright.

I don't have a problem with the DRM there to control the subscription based model where you buy an monthly sub where you can listen to as many as you want, but if people go and buy it outright, then you should be entitled to have the DRM free uncompressed wave file IMO and also covers if you want so you can make your own CD.

If this service does take off, then it maybe the end of proper CD quality music as we know it :(

:td:

Russ 14-06-2004 18:32
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Well I've just signed up for Napster UK - I get a week's free service so I'm going to download everything I can find! It really does seem like a good idea.

seaneeboy 15-06-2004 11:38
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Sigh. "Songs cost only £1.09 a track".

Pay more for a system that relies on NTLs network working, files that are tightly restricted as to what you can do with them, no artwork, no media.

I really don't see the point!

When it comes down to 60p a track (that I can download to a player), I'll think about it.

They've so very NEARLY got it right, it's so frustrating!

Chris 15-06-2004 11:45
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seaneeboy
Sigh. "Songs cost only £1.09 a track".

Pay more for a system that relies on NTLs network working, files that are tightly restricted as to what you can do with them, no artwork, no media.

I really don't see the point!

When it comes down to 60p a track (that I can download to a player), I'll think about it.

They've so very NEARLY got it right, it's so frustrating!
It's widely expected that the iTunes Music Store is going to launch in the UK today. It's also widely known that in the US, tracks sell for about 60p each - so this Napster service is already looking like very poor value. If Apple launches at a price anything like its US operation, NTL is going to be left looking stupid for joining up with a bunch of rip off merchants. Or maybe they're just being true to form. Anyhow, keep your eye on the technology/entertainment pages of your favourite online news service, I believe we will see the music download business hotting up before our very eyes before the end of the day.

seaneeboy 15-06-2004 11:50
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by towny
It's widely expected that the iTunes Music Store is going to launch in the UK today. It's also widely known that in the US, tracks sell for about 60p each - so this Napster service is already looking like very poor value. If Apple launches at a price anything like its US operation, NTL is going to be left looking stupid for joining up with a bunch of rip off merchants. Or maybe they're just being true to form. Anyhow, keep your eye on the technology/entertainment pages of your favourite online news service, I believe we will see the music download business hotting up before our very eyes before the end of the day.
Yes, I'm very exited by the iTunes UK prospect - and am praying that the various roumers i've heard from journalist contacts that they'll come in at £1/track turn out to be over estimates... still, just speculation for now isn't it!

Chris 15-06-2004 12:13
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seaneeboy
Yes, I'm very exited by the iTunes UK prospect - and am praying that the various roumers i've heard from journalist contacts that they'll come in at £1/track turn out to be over estimates... still, just speculation for now isn't it!
Speculation no longer - and only 79p a track. :rofl:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/3805565.stm

seaneeboy 15-06-2004 12:39
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
I'll say it again...

*sigh*

So very nearly getting it right. but not quite.

wildheart 20-06-2004 14:19
Re: **Merged** Napster Launches UK Service Today!
 
cheaper to go to hmv imho.


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