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Damien 13-05-2004 20:59

The Day After Tomorrow
 
What does everyone think of this film? going to see it?

What about the fact that is something that could really happen in the next 100 years? (although not so drastic)

MovedGoalPosts 13-05-2004 21:02

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If nothing else it seems like a must see for the special effects.

As to whether the rest of the film, especially the "plot", justifies the hype, we'll wait and see.

kronas 13-05-2004 21:03

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im kind of interested in it, i suppose its something diffarent as opposed to the usual action films laden with violence we see across the cinema and TV screens.

trailer: 5.90mb

http://www.cinemas-online.co.uk/cont...trailer_hi.mov

ZrByte 13-05-2004 21:22

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I like a good disaster movie so I think I'll be there watching it on premier night, as has been said before though we will see if it lives upto the hype.

Paul 13-05-2004 21:23

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Myself and the wife will be going to see it - the trailers look very good.

Moved to Entertainment forum.

Damien 13-05-2004 21:30

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But this could actually happen although not as fast

Neil 13-05-2004 21:33

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I'll be going to see it, I've been looking forward to this for a while. :)

Damien 13-05-2004 21:39

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I also think it has a great name :)

iron25 14-05-2004 00:12

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The film is directed by the same person that did Independence Day and that film was not exactly great was it.

kronas 14-05-2004 01:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iron25
The film is directed by the same person that did Independence Day and that film was not exactly great was it.

yes thank you, as it states during the trailor :dozey:

Tezcatlipoca 14-05-2004 02:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iron25
The film is directed by the same person that did Independence Day and that film was not exactly great was it.

Yep, it's by Roland Emmerich.

He did, amongst other things: Independence Day, Stargate, Universal Soldier, The Patriot, & Godzilla.

I can't stand Godzilla or The Patriot, utter crap, both of them.

But I do actually quite like Independence Day, Stargate & Universal Soldier. None of them are "excellent", but I think they're still quite good fun.

Independence Day was admittedly yet another OTT "America saves the world!" movie, but it did have good FX & action, & was fun if you "switched off your brain" & just enjoyed it.


Unlike Independence Day, TDAT isn't a gung-ho "US saves the world!!!!" movie:

It's apparently more of a "US suggests saving the world but gets told that not only can it not save the world, its told the disaster is actually its own bloody fault in the 1st place"-type movie.


I've been hearing very good things about The Day After Tomorrow. Definitely looking forward to it.


LOL, & it seems some climate scientists & environmentalists like it too, even though it is very exaggerated: http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...215363,00.html

Paul 14-05-2004 09:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca
He did, amongst other things: Independence Day, Stargate, Universal Soldier, The Patriot, & Godzilla.

The only one of those I didn't care for was "The Patriot". I'm looking forward to this film.

Jarandco 14-05-2004 09:05

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I cant wait to see this film, the special effects looks very good, and the whole plot is interesting as this could actually happen in the future in a slightly less dramatic way! Should be good!

Nugget 14-05-2004 09:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca
Yep, it's by Roland Emmerich.

He did, amongst other things: Independence Day, Stargate, Universal Soldier, The Patriot, & Godzilla.

I actually quite like all of them - the only one I had a real problem with was 'The Patriot', but that was mostly because of Americas habit of re-writing history :mad: (Jason Isaacs was good in it though!).

I've been waiting for The Day After Tomorrow for nearly a year (since I first heard about it in SFX) - I've seen the adverts a few times now (on TV and the Cinema) and, if you'll excuse the pun (well, it is me ;) ), I think it's going to blow me away!

Chris 14-05-2004 10:20

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Hmmm ... Independence Day, Godzilla, Armageddon ... TBH I'm getting a bit bored of films that seem to represent the special effects industry's need to get off on flattening New York (and other cities) in ever more imaginative ways. I'd much rather watch a good, plot-driven thriller.

At the moment I've got no plans to go and see The Day After Tomorrow - but if one of you guys sees it and comes back and says its a genuinely good story as well, then I guess I might give it a whirl. :)

Damien 14-05-2004 10:53

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TDAT is not a world gets saved movie.

Because it doesn't (hopefully) its just a movie about what can happen in the next 100 years (50% chance of gulf stream switching off in next 100 years) although it wont be as dramatic as that as everything happens at once in the movie over a few weeks while it would take years in life

Chris 14-05-2004 11:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien
TDAT is not a world gets saved movie.

Because it doesn't (hopefully) its just a movie about what can happen in the next 100 years (50% chance of gulf stream switching off in next 100 years) although it wont be as dramatic as that as everything happens at once in the movie over a few weeks while it would take years in life

Not sure where you got that statistic from - the scientific consensus is that the Gulf Stream may slow down but that it will not switch off. Such an event is theoretically possible but the probabililty is said to be low.

The 'science' behind TDAT is very poor indeed, according to climatologists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707873.stm

I have read in other articles that there are currently no predictive climate models that show the Gulf Stream switching off completely.

Damien 14-05-2004 11:10

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It was on Horizon! Did it lie to me? NOOOOOOOO :(

Quote:

The Gulf Stream relies on a sensitive "conveyer belt" action, which could be "switched off" - quite suddenly - if it becomes diluted by fresh water from the melting ice-sheets, they claim.

Dr Terry Joyce, an oceanographer from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, US, believes there is a 50% chance of a sudden climate change happening in the next 100 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3266833.stm

Also in my sig i will be updating every day until films release :) Because I am sad. If anyone else wants to join in then do we could make it a forum thing

Nugget 14-05-2004 11:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by towny
Not sure where you got that statistic from - the scientific consensus is that the Gulf Stream may slow down but that it will not switch off. Such an event is theoretically possible but the probabililty is said to be low.

The 'science' behind TDAT is very poor indeed, according to climatologists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707873.stm

I have read in other articles that there are currently no predictive climate models that show the Gulf Stream switching off completely.

In fairness, Emmerich has accepted that, while the actual events in the film are theoretically possible, they have speeded up the whole process (let's face it, I don't know anybody who would be willing to spend the next hundred years or so in the cinema, waiting for New York to slowly drown).

At the end of the day, it'll be a pot-boiler of a film - from what I've read, it's mostly about Dennis Quaids character trying to save his son. I think that there's been more made of the film recently as the Pentagon reports about climate change have been all over the press at the same time as the media campaign for the film.

Nugget 14-05-2004 11:14

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I read this article in The Observer the other week:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...202641,00.html

It was interesting to read this:

Quote:

'What these people forget is that if the melting ice caps disrupt the Gulf Stream and lower temperatures, this cooling will stop the ice from melting and the process will grind to a halt.
See - Mother Nature doesn't hate us that much! Once the process of the Gulf Stream stopping begins, the planet automatically stops it again - big up to the ice caps!

Damien 14-05-2004 12:05

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actually people are suggesting that it can also get warmer. IN fact one of the main problems with the film is that people say that some parts of the world would get warmer.

I heard that the stop, would increase the rate of melting and then it could (is is actually possible for it to happen now) mean a large chunk of ice (in the film it is the size of scotland) would fall into the sea casing tusmui which is the big ol wave you see in film

zoombini 14-05-2004 14:58

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Of course, you realise that no matter how shocking this film is, whatever effects it shows that global pollution etc can have it will not make the lslightest bit of difference to how much America pollutes the world.

Jarandco 27-05-2004 20:22

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WOW is all i can say! :D

Great film loved it! Maybe a bit overdramatic i dunno but the special effects were amazing - its sorta scary to think that could happen in some sort of way.

Nice to see America admitting it was partly thier fault!

I reckon this film should be used as propaganda to stop emissions it could help a bit - even if its a small amount still helps! :)

Only downside i could see was the plot wasent all there - maybe a bit chessy at some points but hey i wanted to see the disaster and special effects and i certainly got it! :D

Earl of Bronze 27-05-2004 20:45

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As far as I understood the model for the Gulf Stream, was that the increase in birthed Icebergs in the Artic. Along with release of cold water as they melt, would cause the stream of warm equitoral water to be diverted further south. Thus increasing ambient temperatures in one area, while causing a decrease in Northern Europe. Which in turn would cause the British Isles to start to have winter on a power with Canada.

As to the assertation that a hugh chunk of ice falling into the sea, and causing a Tsunami (sp). B0ll0ck$. The ice-sheet at the Artic are sea ice, namely that it floats, with 80 odd % of this underwater, and thus already displacing a larger proportion of water that the sea. Even a huge chunk of the Antacrtic ice-sheet breaking away, while worrying, is not going to cause a Tidal Wave.

Edit - Though I will be going to see the movie. Nothing like seeing American cities being destroyed by............................ anything really. ;)

dr wadd 27-05-2004 20:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien
It was on Horizon! Did it lie to me? NOOOOOOOO :(

The quality of Horizon has decreased so drastically over the last few years it is a travesty to consider it to be a science program.

ZrByte 27-05-2004 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze
Edit - Though I will be going to see the movie. Nothing like seeing American cities being destroyed by............................ anything really. ;)


I too will be going to see it, pretty much for the same reasons aswel :D

Jarandco 27-05-2004 20:58

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Well according to the film, its all the ice that melts which causes the gulf stream to loose its salticity, as its a micture of fresh water and salt, and due to thier being to much fresh water the gulf stream fails to stay warm, and drops in temperature rapidly.

Tezcatlipoca 27-05-2004 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarandco
Well according to the film, its all the ice that melts which causes the gulf stream to loose its salticity, as its a micture of fresh water and salt, and due to thier being to much fresh water the gulf stream fails to stay warm, and drops in temperature rapidly.

"Salticity"? ;)


Yeah, although TDAT takes something which would happen over a long time, & compresses it into the length of a movie.

But, saying that, so what. It's only a movie, after all. No matter what the science is like in this, I definitely want to see it. I love these big budget disaster films. Pure mindless enjoyable cheese.

homealone 27-05-2004 21:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarandco
Well according to the film, its all the ice that melts which causes the gulf stream to loose its salticity, as its a micture of fresh water and salt, and due to thier being to much fresh water the gulf stream fails to stay warm, and drops in temperature rapidly.

you're right about it being to do with salinity (salt content), it's called the 'Atlantic Conveyor', sea water is salty, salt water gets more dense when it cools, so when it gets to the Arctic it gets colder & sinks, this current of cold salty water goes back to the Gulf of Mexico, where it warms up, rises & flows back to the Arctic - where it cools down & sinks..............

Melting ice, due to 'global warming' dilutes the salt water, the theory is, that if diluted enough, it won't be dense enough to sink - and the Atantic Conveyor will be 'turned off'

Then without the flow of warm water we are used to, our latitudes would have a climate more like Canada.

Jarandco 27-05-2004 21:17

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Exactly! Thats what the film actually says so in thoery it is true in that part!

But as Tez said it is only a film and a very good film, well i liked it, i just found it all interesting and amazing how real it all looked even though i knew it was all special effects!

homealone 27-05-2004 21:36

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Originally Posted by Jarandco
Exactly! Thats what the film actually says so in thoery it is true in that part!

But as Tez said it is only a film and a very good film, well i liked it, i just found it all interesting and amazing how real it all looked even though i knew it was all special effects!

Good old 'Horizon' ;)

- the main difference with the 'real life' theory and the film is that allegedly in real life it would happen a lot more slowly, like over a 100 years or so. :)

Damien 27-05-2004 21:57

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I love Horizon

homealone 28-05-2004 00:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien
I love Horizon

and?

:D

sir_drinks_alot 28-05-2004 01:39

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will be sunday

keithwalton 28-05-2004 02:05

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I have friends in the Southampton Oceanograhpy Centre (SOC) that do a fair amount of climate research / modeling.
and well they go along with the whole film is flawed thing. and that its really only fiction.
From what i've seen from posters and trailers and such imho it looks like a load of rubbish. But then i am a scientist and so wont fall for the extendid scenes of peril etc. and would be sat there the entire time pulling faults in the story.

Regarding the whole salinity thing and the ice caps diluting the sea water is rather unkown and an option. As if you get salt water cold enough its still going to be that salt water. Although some of will fall out of solution alot of it will remain.
As for the whole tidal wave thing, that would have to start off fairly near the coast of america as the wave itself will decay rather rapidly.
Another thing i remember having a discussion about is the whole sea levels rising thing due to ice stuff melting. As per bouncy thing to get somthing to float you must displace an equal amount of mass of water below the surface to float the combined weight.
As most of you will know the density of ice is lower than that of water.
If all the ice in the polar regions were to be melted the mean rise in sea level will be next to nothing as the amount of volume of water increased / the surface area of all the sea's is rather small.
In the order of mm's i think if not less.

K

Mick 29-05-2004 16:23

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Watched this film this afternoon - amazing special effects - good story line. Not a bad film really. My Verdict: 7/10.

Halcyon 29-05-2004 22:59

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Great film with some nice special effects.
Definately worth seeing on the big screen at the cinema for added goodness.
A few bits that you wonder, how could this be happening, but this is a film, and its meant to be like that, so its good fun.

I'd give it 8/10

Neil 30-05-2004 20:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halcyon
Great film with some nice special effects.
Definately worth seeing on the big screen at the cinema for added goodness.
A few bits that you wonder, how could this be happening, but this is a film, and its meant to be like that, so its good fun.

I'd give it 8/10

I went to see it last night, & that totally sums it up for me. :tu:

Xaccers 30-05-2004 20:55

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I enjoyed it :)

Thing about the salinity of the water, surely as the temperature dropped, more ice would form and so the salinity would go back up and the "north atlantic current" would start up again?
And is the north atlantic current the same as the gulf stream as I'm sure the NAC was shown to come up africa to us, then head for America, where as I'm pretty sure the gulf stream comes up from the gulf of mexico across away from america to us, hence it's name...

Jerrek 01-06-2004 03:56

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BAh, they destroyed Canada.

Xaccers 01-06-2004 07:23

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
BAh, they destroyed Canada.

You say it like it's a bad thing eh? :D
j/k

Nugget 01-06-2004 09:18

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Fantastic film - 10/10.

I get the feeling that Emmerich was getting us back for the poor reviews on The Patriot - who's the first person we see who freezes to death? That's right - a British soldier (mind you, it did look very cool *ahem*) :)

grindkid25 04-06-2004 21:27

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yeah 10/10, loves films like that when something destructive happens to earth, and theres always a fine girl ;)

and the bald kid with cancer looks like the 'there is no spoon' kid out of the matrix

Paul 04-06-2004 21:44

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Well - Me and the missus thought we would go and watch this at our local showcase the other day so off we went. When we got there it was sold out :(

Bifta 19-06-2004 00:24

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I took my mrs. to see it last night, she wanted to see Shrek 2, I wanted to see this ... I wish I'd listened to her, this film rates as one of the worst I've ever seen, there are better "made for TV" disaster movies, we left way before the end and decided on the pub for entertainment instead.

Earl of Bronze 21-06-2004 00:36

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Saw it in Southport, wasnt bad, wasnt great.

6/10.


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