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Damien 02-05-2004 10:19

Pop signers MIME? No way!
 
According to this news item pop signers mime? tis cannot be possible?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/3670347.stm

So who else mimes?

Paul K 02-05-2004 10:45

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Originally Posted by Damien
According to this news item pop signers mime? tis cannot be possible?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/3670347.stm

So who else mimes?

Signers mime? Well I suppose it makes sense if you think about it ;)
Don't worry, at some point I shall return and post a response to your intended question :D

Dave Stones 02-05-2004 11:28

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when i was at leeds festival last year, i was sure the drummer from "all american rejects" was miming... but then again i could have been so wasted to have been confused by sound and drumstick movement at the same time...

also, im sure busted dont really play their guitars...

Chris W 02-05-2004 11:36

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Has anyone seen the TOTP with wizard on it when they sit around pretending to have a tea party when they are supposedly performing? or when nirvana performed smells like teen spirit with their 'interesting' guitar playing technique... aparently miming is quite common on TOTP.

MB

Dave Stones 02-05-2004 11:47

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Originally Posted by monkeybreath
Has anyone seen the TOTP with wizard on it when they sit around pretending to have a tea party when they are supposedly performing? or when nirvana performed smells like teen spirit with their 'interesting' guitar playing technique... aparently miming is quite common on TOTP.

MB

i thought since they "revamped" it (made it even worse with that camp guy) that miming performances weren't allowed anymore on it...

[editty] found this abuot nirvana:

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London, UK, BBC Studios (Top Of The Pops). The band record their appearance for 'Top of the Pops'. Originally the BBC insisted that the band mime their parts (singing and playing). After negotiation Kurt is allowed to sing his part live, which he does in a falsetto voice, whilst the rest of the band mime their parts (ridiculously!). The producers asked Kurt to sing his part again, but he said that he was happy with the way it sounded.
http://www.livenirvana.com/history/91.php

interesting... someone please find me a video link!

Marge 02-05-2004 12:43

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Originally Posted by Dave Stones
i thought since they "revamped" it (made it even worse with that camp guy) that miming performances weren't allowed anymore on it...

[editty] found this abuot nirvana:

http://www.livenirvana.com/history/91.php

interesting... someone please find me a video link!

Saw this the other week on something (can't remember what). Kurt sang it in the style of Morrisey :eek: and it was really funny

timewarrior2001 02-05-2004 17:05

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AFAIK TOTP the artists have to sing live but the musicians mime, purely because of the itme it would take to get the sound checks right etc.
Still sucks IMHO

As for these "popstars" well lets face it, they dont have enough talent to get spotted in the hard way, they are prone to ****ing up if the mime it all goes well. Simple really.
Anyone can sing with the help of computer technology.

Its all a conspiracy i tell you

Marge 02-05-2004 17:10

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The Chili Peppers defo do not mime ;)

kronas 02-05-2004 17:12

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well some do some dont.........i have seen quite a few not mime and they sound better on record then live........

i suppose its quite dependant on each artist, alot of the big stars tend to mime, because they are 'over' with the crowd...such as the highlighted britney spears, lets face it its all a money making excercise anyway.........

Damien 02-05-2004 17:13

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busted do for sure especcally with the guitars

Paul 02-05-2004 18:39

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Who really cares if they mime ?

kronas 02-05-2004 18:41

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Originally Posted by Pem
Who really cares if they mime ?


what should be important....... why are they doing it ?

can they sing ? (properly)

homealone 02-05-2004 18:49

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Originally Posted by Pem
Who really cares if they mime ?

I don't think it matters for 'studio' performances like Top of the Pops, but I don't like the idea of miming when doing a 'proper' concert - a live performance should be just that, imo.

- plus look at what Milli Vanilli got away with ;)

Stuart 02-05-2004 19:08

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I have to admit. I was at the Britney Spears concert on Monday, and I have two points. First, it didn't look like Britney was miming, although it would have been difficult for her to sing some of the songs live.

My other point is that whether she sung live or not, I enoyed the concert. The rest of the crowd appeared to enjoy it as well. Surely that is the main thing?

kronas 02-05-2004 19:10

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Originally Posted by scastle
My other point is that whether she sung live or not, I enoyed the concert. The rest of the crowd appeared to enjoy it as well. Surely that is the main thing?

hold on a moment... these people are 'pop singers' there job is to sing ?

TigaSefi 02-05-2004 19:11

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Nirvana's TOTP was indeed repeated on TOTP2 on a Friday at some point :)

Stuart 02-05-2004 19:12

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Originally Posted by kronas
hold on a moment... these people are 'pop singers' there job is to sing ?

Depends if you look on them as singers or entertainers.. I've always thought of Britney as an entertainer that just happens to sing.

kronas 02-05-2004 19:13

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Originally Posted by scastle
Depends if you look on them as singers or entertainers.. I've always thought of Britney as an entertainer that just happens to sing.

well that is to be debateable.......but looking at it the music/lyrics is what its about primarily.........

homealone 02-05-2004 19:15

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Originally Posted by scastle
I have to admit. I was at the Britney Spears concert on Monday, and I have two points. First, it didn't look like Britney was miming, although it would have been difficult for her to sing some of the songs live.

My other point is that whether she sung live or not, I enoyed the concert. The rest of the crowd appeared to enjoy it as well. Surely that is the main thing?

I take your point, stu, but apart from the obvious experience of 'being there', if they ain't going to perform live, you might as well just watch a video.

- I guess I'm showing my age, having grown up in an era where most acts had to establish themselves on the live circuit, before they could even hope to get a recording contract - and several like the Stones, David Bowie, Elton John are still able to do it. :)

kronas 02-05-2004 19:20

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Originally Posted by homealone
- I guess I'm showing my age, having grown up in an era where most acts had to establish themselves on the live circuit, before they could even hope to get a recording contract - and several like the Stones, David Bowie, Elton John are still able to do it. :)

the diffarence is the ever present commercialistic aspect of the music industry in the current era, i mean given the likes of 'eamon' getting to the top of the charts really does show an overall decline in the music industry's standards over the years, we have a mixture of genres, but still the creation of artists is propergated by record labels, based on technological advances to change the sound of a voice........you see what im getting at ?

Stuart 02-05-2004 19:30

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Originally Posted by homealone
I take your point, stu, but apart from the obvious experience of 'being there', if they ain't going to perform live, you might as well just watch a video.

- I guess I'm showing my age, having grown up in an era where most acts had to establish themselves on the live circuit, before they could even hope to get a recording contract - and several like the Stones, David Bowie, Elton John are still able to do it. :)

Video just doesn't have the same impact.. I have to admit, I do see the big special effect laden tours (such as Britney, Micheal Jackson etc) more as "shows" than live concerts. Having said that, the two aren't mutally exclusive. For instance Jean-Michel Jarre is very talented, performs live and has special effects laden shows (yes, I saw him live at Wembley and it was brilliant). I have also seen concerts where there have been little or no special effects, and somebody singing live. These are good too.

One example of this is when I saw the Pet Shop Boys (not a group that you normally expect to see live) perform Always on my mind. I knew at some point that they would do Always on my mind, and was expecting a big show to back it up. Most of the other songs were performed with the big special effects sort of thing. When he sung Always on my mind, Neil Tennent came on stage, sat down with a guitar and a microphone and accompanied himself on the guitar. It was brilliant.

homealone 02-05-2004 20:05

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Originally Posted by scastle
Video just doesn't have the same impact.. I have to admit, I do see the big special effect laden tours (such as Britney, Micheal Jackson etc) more as "shows" than live concerts. Having said that, the two aren't mutally exclusive. For instance Jean-Michel Jarre is very talented, performs live and has special effects laden shows (yes, I saw him live at Wembley and it was brilliant). I have also seen concerts where there have been little or no special effects, and somebody singing live. These are good too.

One example of this is when I saw the Pet Shop Boys (not a group that you normally expect to see live) perform Always on my mind. I knew at some point that they would do Always on my mind, and was expecting a big show to back it up. Most of the other songs were performed with the big special effects sort of thing. When he sung Always on my mind, Neil Tennent came on stage, sat down with a guitar and a microphone and accompanied himself on the guitar. It was brilliant.

I do take your point about the idea of it being a 'show' and I appreciate that the production on some of the material makes it very difficult to do a 'proper' live performance - singing & dancing at the same time, has already been mentioned as one reason, Jean-Michel JarrÃÃâ€*’© doesn't 'shake his booty' , that much ;)

- I have to admit the Brittany kind of show doesn't really appeal to me, so I am being a little prejudiced in my opinion :) The last live band I saw was the Fun Loving Criminals :)

Stuart 02-05-2004 20:52

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Originally Posted by homealone
I do take your point about the idea of it being a 'show' and I appreciate that the production on some of the material makes it very difficult to do a 'proper' live performance - singing & dancing at the same time, has already been mentioned as one reason, Jean-Michel JarrÃÃâ€*’© doesn't 'shake his booty' , that much ;)

Actually, you'd be surprised just how much JMJ does manage to shake his booty.

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- I have to admit the Brittany kind of show doesn't really appeal to me, so I am being a little prejudiced in my opinion :) The last live band I saw was the Fun Loving Criminals :)
Actually, I find I enjoy both kinds of performance, as long as they are well done (for instance, I wouldn't rate Micheal Jackson much as a live singer, but the show when I saw him at Wembley was amazing, so I still enjoyed it. On the flip side, I saw Jools Holland last year. The performance was entirely live, and he had no show to hide behind, but it was also a a great concert.

Madonna was a big surprise. She did the big show thing, but could also sing live, which I really wasn't expecting.

Damien 02-05-2004 21:06

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I think that music should be about the music and talentless signers are taking money from proper music

Julian 02-05-2004 21:42

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Originally Posted by Damien
I think that music should be about the music and talentless signers are taking money from proper music

They are taking money from kids who are buying a well marketed package. ;)

Damien 02-05-2004 22:00

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and think of what those kids could buy with that money! like drugs!

Julian 02-05-2004 22:05

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Originally Posted by Damien
and think of what those kids could buy with that money! like drugs!

So we should thank the "music" moguls. :)

Although a misguided minority will unfortunately do both. :(

Jarandco 02-05-2004 22:08

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Originally Posted by scastle
I have to admit. I was at the Britney Spears concert on Monday, and I have two points. First, it didn't look like Britney was miming, although it would have been difficult for her to sing some of the songs live.

My other point is that whether she sung live or not, I enoyed the concert. The rest of the crowd appeared to enjoy it as well. Surely that is the main thing?

and i am going this Monday woo! :D Cant wait!

When Britney performs she performs, her concert is more of a show, and her dance routines would be damn hard to sing in, but she still does sing the ballards live, and does them well! I like the mix, as i wouldnt like to see britney just stand there singing all the time, that just wouldnt be Britney Spears! :)

Damien 02-05-2004 22:10

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Originally Posted by Julian
So we should thank the "music" moguls. :)

Although a misguided minority will unfortunately do both. :(

So what we need is a combination...........How can we get both

Julian 02-05-2004 22:17

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Originally Posted by Damien
So what we need is a combination...........How can we get both

:confused: :confused:

This is obviously off topic but I'm confused. :erm:

Damien 02-05-2004 22:28

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Originally Posted by Julian
:confused: :confused:

This is obviously off topic but I'm confused. :erm:

Right i'll handle this..

So back on topic what do other people think about these talentless drug taking hippo-signers?


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