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trentsteel 26-04-2004 21:48

Windows XP problem
 
I installed new graphics card today, problem is Windows XP won't start in normal mode, only safe mode and debugging mode, although debugging mode seems to do the job the same as normal mode, what does it do?

Also have Windows 98 as backup but that won't load up at all, hasn't done for ages, and start up floppy disk won't work now :mad:

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated

Defiant 26-04-2004 21:51

Re: Windows XP problem
 
what card for a start would help and did you have on board graphics to start with ?

downquark1 26-04-2004 21:52

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Is it a different make to your original card?

Steve H 26-04-2004 22:02

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Did you have onboard graphics previousley?

Is this defiently disabled?

trentsteel 26-04-2004 22:05

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Had onboard graphics months ago, then upgraded to 64M card (as computer shop guy sed thats the best PCI card available), but found 256MB PCI card- GeForce FX5200 PCI...1st card was no problem, this one is

darkangel 26-04-2004 22:30

Re: Windows XP problem
 
at what point does xp fail, what happens blue screen etc
did u uninstall the previous drivers?
does the card require external power, u don't mention the brand?
have u tried with all startup items disabled?

Defiant 26-04-2004 22:32

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trentsteel
Had onboard graphics months ago, then upgraded to 64M card (as computer shop guy sed thats the best PCI card available), but found 256MB PCI card- GeForce FX5200 PCI...1st card was no problem, this one is

So have you disabled it in bios ?

Paul K 26-04-2004 22:36

Re: Windows XP problem
 
When in safe mode have you tried removing all signs of any graphics adaptors (including hidden devices) and then rebooting?
Could also check the card is seated properly and any fans are working correctly. Check for debris in the slot the adaptor is plugged into as well.

trentsteel 26-04-2004 22:37

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darkangel
at what point does xp fail, what happens blue screen etc
did u uninstall the previous drivers?
does the card require external power, u don't mention the brand?
have u tried with all startup items disabled?

Drivers disabled yes, no external power needed (XFX is the brand i think), works fine in debugging and safe mode as i said, havent tried no startup items, i will do tomorrow when I have time.

Havent diabled on board graphics in bios, didn't realise I needed to, as I said, previous card worked fine.

Thanks for feedback, I shall try some of the ideas tomorrow :)

EDIT: Card is in slot fine, checked that first, also XP fails after boot screen, just goes black for long long time

Defiant 26-04-2004 22:43

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trentsteel
Havent diabled on board graphics in bios, didn't realise I needed to, as I said, previous card worked fine.

As I thought. Its confusing the computer. Its like telling someone he/she has four hands but they can only use two

zaax 29-04-2004 01:18

Drivers incorrectly (or not) installed
 
Your video drivers need to changed to the new card. Run the disk you had with the card and install the drivers.
If you don't have the drivers go to the manufactures web site and down load them and put them (when unpacked) in to the windows/sys folder and restart.

The other replies are very good and that is what I would do if the card did not work, but it is, as is running up to safe mode.

Bifta 29-04-2004 01:26

Re: Windows XP problem
 
You don't just need to install the new drivers, you need to rid the machine of EVERY trace of the old ones, example, years back I changed from a Nvidia card to an ATI card, didn't uninstall the drivers for the Nvidia card first, just slapped the Radeon in and tried to overinstall the Catalyst drivers, totally and utterly forked it, exactly the same symptoms you currently have. Depending on which card you had previously, there are tools to remove the drivers completely (that's a hint for you to tell us what it was btw).

Defiant 29-04-2004 12:07

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
You don't just need to install the new drivers, you need to rid the machine of EVERY trace of the old ones, example, years back I changed from a Nvidia card to an ATI card, didn't uninstall the drivers for the Nvidia card first, just slapped the Radeon in and tried to overinstall the Catalyst drivers, totally and utterly forked it, exactly the same symptoms you currently have. Depending on which card you had previously, there are tools to remove the drivers completely (that's a hint for you to tell us what it was btw).

Bifta your computer should have picked up the ATI card when you installed it. Therefore the computer then would have started to look for the correct drives to use. It would not have tried using the Nvidia one's believe me. You will have had another problem

Bifta 29-04-2004 12:14

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
Bifta your computer should have picked up the ATI card when you installed it. Therefore the computer then would have started to look for the correct drives to use. It would not have tried using the Nvidia one's believe me. You will have had another problem

Uh ... no, it doesnt quite work like that. It's a known problem, have a trawl around Rage3d and you'll find out. After I used Detonator Destroyer http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-destroyer/ to remove all traces of the Nvidia drivers it worked perfectly, please don't infer that I'm an idiot because I find that a little rich coming from you.

SOSAGES 29-04-2004 12:20

Re: Windows XP problem
 
id say your an idiot as well if it makes u feel better

Stuartbe 29-04-2004 12:22

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Thats enough of that please guys :nono:

Stuartbe 29-04-2004 12:32

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trentsteel
Drivers disabled yes, no external power needed (XFX is the brand i think), works fine in debugging and safe mode as i said, havent tried no startup items, i will do tomorrow when I have time.

Havent diabled on board graphics in bios, didn't realise I needed to, as I said, previous card worked fine.

Thanks for feedback, I shall try some of the ideas tomorrow :)

EDIT: Card is in slot fine, checked that first, also XP fails after boot screen, just goes black for long long time

If the screen goes black and then goes into standbye it could be that the resolution of the card is to high for the monitor.

How old is your monitor ?

downquark1 29-04-2004 12:37

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuartbe
If the screen goes black and then goes into standbye it could be that the resolution of the card is to high for the monitor.

How old is your monitor ?

Thank you:nworthy: this might help a friend of mine.

Defiant 29-04-2004 13:05

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bifta
Uh ... no, it doesnt quite work like that. It's a known problem, have a trawl around Rage3d and you'll find out. After I used Detonator Destroyer http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-destroyer/ to remove all traces of the Nvidia drivers it worked perfectly, please don't infer that I'm an idiot because I find that a little rich coming from you.

Just pointing out Windows Xp will not try and use a driver for a different make in graphics card. IE it doesn't see an nvidia connected it wont use nvidia drivers. It will try and look for others like ATI. Your the one going on about "idiot's" not me. I just pointed out something which is general common knowledge so please dont try getting abusive ;)

Nemesis 29-04-2004 13:06

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Ok, now enough, or I'll close it

Bifta 29-04-2004 13:15

Re: Windows XP problem
 
As I was saying ...

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http://www.hardcoreware.net/forum/pr...ad.php?t=15418

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...+nvidia+driver

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...+nvidia+driver

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...driver+cleaner

The_real_dj 29-04-2004 13:21

Re: Windows XP problem
 
I had the same problem as bifta, had a Nvidia 4200 and upgraded to an ATI radion, compleatly fooked my machine up!! in the end i had to reinstall windows XP :(. As you still have the old card onboard (id sold mine) you should be able to pull the new one out, boot up into windows and get rid of them old drivers!!! good luck :)

Bifta 29-04-2004 13:24

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_real_dj
I had the same problem as bifta, had a Nvidia 4200 and upgraded to an ATI radion, compleatly fooked my machine up!! in the end i had to reinstall windows XP :(. As you still have the old card onboard (id sold mine) you should be able to pull the new one out, boot up into windows and get rid of them old drivers!!! good luck :)

I think Detonator Destroyer "should" get rid of them if you boot in safe mode without having to stick the old card back in.

Defiant 29-04-2004 13:26

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Had a Geforce 4 uninstalled drivers. unplugged old card. Inserted new Raden 9600 pro. Booted up installed drivers presto all worked fine

Nemesis 29-04-2004 13:30

Re: Windows XP problem
 
ok, now that's all wonderful, some have had problems, some haven't ...

HOW DOES THIS HELP Trentsteel !!

Stuart 29-04-2004 13:31

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
Bifta your computer should have picked up the ATI card when you installed it. Therefore the computer then would have started to look for the correct drives to use. It would not have tried using the Nvidia one's believe me. You will have had another problem

Under certain circumstances, Windows XP can misidentify a device. We have two labs with video capture cards, one has the Pinnacle DV500 and the other has the Matrox RT2500. Unless the drivers are installed manually, Windows XP always installs the Pinnacle drivers (which don't work on the Matrox cards).

trentsteel 29-04-2004 17:55

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis
ok, now that's all wonderful, some have had problems, some haven't ...

HOW DOES THIS HELP Trentsteel !!

Well you can go on about your graphics card stories of yesteryear all you want...fixed it:D

Just disabled on board graphics and it works perfectly now, a lesson learnt for the future, thanks for advice people

Defiant 29-04-2004 18:03

Re: Windows XP problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trentsteel
Well you can go on about your graphics card stories of yesteryear all you want...fixed it:D

Just disabled on board graphics and it works perfectly now, a lesson learnt for the future, thanks for advice people

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
what card for a start would help and did you have on board graphics to start with ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
So have you disabled it in bios ?

As I said ;)


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