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[Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3646825.stm
"Rival cable net provider NTL is also doubling the speed of its broadband services at no extra cost" erm doubling speeds at NTL - is this true or a misprint? ok later in the article it quotes Simon Duffy as saying the speeds will be 300 to 1.5 mbps - still not bad though! |
NTL Doubling the speed?
According to the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3646825.stm Dated Today (Mon 26th Apr)
"Rival cable net provider NTL is also doubling the speed of its broadband services at no extra cost." |
Free upgrade ??
According to a report on the BBC site NTL are to upgrade all customers speeds by 50% for free :)
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So does this mean that we (NTL BB'ers) will get an increase of speed for not a penny more???
If so.........About time too. ik |
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and will they be upping the usage cap by 50% as well ?
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Interestingly enough the BBC article states the following about the Telewest service:
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1.5 Mbps - oh well, I was hoping for 2M but it's a start. :D
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free upgrade dont be silly 1mbit service is going up to 37.99 but you get extra.5mbit speed increase so you'll hit the 1GB cap that bit quicker :D
150k service up to 300 k and 600k to 750 to match BY upgrade of their 512k service tw posting price at 25 for 750k so ntl would be mad not to match it. (NTL MAD bot to what am I saying>>>) :D |
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1st I've heard of it.
Doubt the BBC would get it wrong and attribute a quote to Simon Duffy. Hopefully it'll be true. It will make the £3.00 hike for the 1Meg a bit easier to take. |
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I'd like to see higher upload sppeds as well... 256 up would be nice!
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NTL to up speed for free?
BBC Tech News
worth a look, seems NTL is a bit behind in the top line speed! But we will have to see what NTL offers, however the *free update of speed seems nice. *although they are bumping up price I don't mind paying that little extra for 1/2 meg more. However of course it all depends on NTL's infrastructure will it be stable enough... :rolleyes: |
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ok so I am late posting, and should have scanned the forums.
I am ****, forgive me |
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It's certainly an interesting and welcome development...is there any official line on this anyone? (Apart from the BBC of course who don't seem to be to work out that 50% increases are not double..LOL)
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Ok so maybe I will stick with the 1MB line, what will the upload be on this. Still 256k or a bit more. And why is uplaod so far behind, is this where the bandwidth goes?
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Yep is all true :tu: just had email
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Well, from my point of view this is a positive move. Of course we all have reservations, but for now - WELL DONE NTL (even if you were beaten to it by Blueyonder).
Found the official release here: http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/040426/183/erzi8.html Oh and one other thing - sort out the cap! |
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More info here...
http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=702 The bit about the flexible bandwidth sounds a little ominous - but on the whole good news! EDIT: Oh, sorry same as above. |
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[cynic mode]
Of course, by announcing a price increase on their 1mb tier this month, and then later announcing an increase in speed to 1.5mb (but without the price rising further), they will be able legitimately to claim that they are increasing the speed of the service without increasing the price. :dozey: [/cynic mode] That said, at £34.99, 1mb was costing 3.4p per kbit - at £37.99, 1.5mb would cost 2.5p per kbit, which is considerably better value. |
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ARE they increasing speeds by 50% though? The official press release does not seem to specifically state how much the increase is going to be - it may be only 1%!!!!
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When someone "in the know" gets the detail of this I would be interested to know if the same speed increases will apply to their business broadband customers too whom pay approx X2 the cost in price anyway with little extra benefit in provision or service.
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150 to 300
600 to 750 1mg to 1.5 mg |
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not read the mail properly yet lol, hang on
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ntl is boosting its three broadband services to higher speeds, at no extra cost to customers. This will provide a significant competitive advantage, offering the highest speeds in the high volume entry-level and mid-tier sectors, while at the high end, ntl will offer 50% more speed than the main providers of ADSL. So, if you're on 1mb, (high-end) you get a 50% increase to 1.5mb; if you are on 150k (entry-level) or 600k (mid-tier) you will get an unspecified increase. However they do say that their 150k and 600k services will become the 'highest speeds in the high-volume entry-level and mid tier sectors'. If they are comparing themselves with Telewest here, then it would appear they must be upping 150k to at least 256 and 600 to at least 750. What concerns me a little is this sudden use of the phrase 'high-volume'. As we know, at the moment ntl does not currently offer different options for high- or low-volume users. This might signal a move towards such services. Alternatively, the phrase might be used simply because there are certain rival low-volume mid-tier services that will still be faster than ntl after the speed increase. EDIT - aha, thanks Debs, got there first :) |
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:Yikes: Hey mods! Somebody merge this thread before the board gets over-run with ntl speed increase threads! :Yikes:
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at last, something to stop me cancelling my 1meg, wonder if 'someone' is taking note of the comments posted both here and elsewhere about downgrading/cancelling. ? Any comment Azaid ?
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Not that I'm complaining of course. Ntl might just have prevented me moving to ADSL after our house move. |
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Doesn't seem like a particularly good deal for 600k customers - 150k gets a 100% boost, 1meg gets 50% and 600k gets a relatively measly 25% increase!
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And everyone is jumping for joy at faster downloads, but I don't think the upload is changing (it isn't for Telewest), so the service gets more disproportionately assymetric. |
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edit ... OB, it's 'sort-of' free. As I said above, I think ntl has effectively increased the cost of 1mb by £3 a month to pay for this and has used dishonourable (but sadly quite legal) means to hide the fact. |
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Towny - you're assuming that this speed increase was planned by NTL. I suspect it may have been forced upon them by the need to be seen to be keeping pace with Telewest.
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That said, if they truly want to keep pace, they will have to introduce a new top tier offering at the very least a 2mb download. |
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still no news for STB owners?,
will they get the free upgrade or are they gonna be let down.....and just out of interest will they be paying same price as those who get the free speed increase,cos if they have to pay the same i think there is gonna be alot of disgruntled ntl STB owners! |
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I dunno with the cap in place, the 1.5meg offering doesnt seem that useful to me. Ntl need now to review that policy and at least apply some realistic guidance tiers related to the service speed. If the cap remains then ntl would have been better off cutting prices, yet I suspect the flicking of the switch option for faster speeds is in fact cheaper for them in the short to medium term. |
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Can the NTL infrastructure provide 3 meg? |
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Whats the difference for STB owners?, ive read a few posts on here, people asking if the speed increase is going to be implemented for STB owners.
I would of thought so, I cant see any difference for us STB peeps.. Can anyone confirm this?. |
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Surely these new speeds will be applied across the board and there will be no discrimination! I cant understand where you are coming from here? |
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i ask cos with telewest there not increasing it for STB owners,so i would guess that NTL would follow suit,if thats the case their should be a reduction in price because you cannot have STB owners on 1 meg and cable users on 1.5 at the same price surely,after all its not the STB owners fault
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Am I the only one to think this is actually good news?
Everyone whinges when the price of 1 out of 3 service levels got a modest increase for the first time in ages - and complain ntl do nothing to justify it. When ntl DO do something positive everyone still manages to concentrate on percieved negatives! I accepted the £3 rise on 1MB as being reasonably in line with general price rises - so to get a 50% speed hike FREE sounds good to me! If beer went up from £3.50 a litre to £3.80, and then suddenly you got a 1.5 litre glass for the same price would you moan? |
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Due to technical limitations, upgrade will not apply to 1Mb customers receiving service via TV set-top box
thats on the telewest site,so i presume NTL will be the same techical limitations.....i hope not,otherwise NTL are just forgetting us mere mortal STB owners |
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I know that there are costs for ntl if they lower contention ratios, but someone else will have to explain how that works. |
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AFAIK stb's are a bit flakey when you get up to 1 meg, so if you want the top speed go for a sacm.
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"Sorry Sir, we don't know when the dray will appear, but it will be coming shortly" |
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When will this upgrd happen? am in CS and not heard of this till just now!!!
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For a start, the price increase was about 8.6%. Inflation in the UK is currently below 2%. The increase was nothing short of huge. Secondly, is it a coincidence that they increase the price one month, then trumpet a 'free' speed increase the next? I think not. You are not being given anything for free, you are being forced to accept an upgrade for which you are paying. The reasons they have done this are entirely for PR, I concede, because 1.5mb for £37.99 is still better value than 1mb for £34.99. But it's not as good as 1.5mb for £34.99. |
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ok,if STB are flakey and your in a ex C&W area where they don't give you a cable modem UNLESS you have a problem via STB with your 1 meg service (like i did and now have a cable modem),will NTL send out cable modems to these people or will they be forced to pay the same as those on 1.5 meg if no-one is any wiser and don't mention it,do you see my point?
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I've e-mailed ntl's director of internet this morning asking if ntl is now going to review the current 1GB cap limit that is in place with the announcement of the speed increases. I will post back any response I get.
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IIRC didn't 1MB used to cost £49.99? Whichever way you look at percentages, I see the overall speed/price as a good move. I am not looking to argue, Towny - just stating my viewpoint. I am certainly not 'forced' to accept it - but accept it I do, happily. I still see it as a 50% speed increase for an 8.6% price increase. |
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You won't see this simply because NTL is a local monopoly. There are rarely cable companies that compete locally (like there are in the USA) in this country. If there were then NTL would be forced into a price war, just like Tescos, ASDA etc...are. I bet Singapore and US etc are "aving a larf" at us getting dizzy on such a piffling speed increase (welcome as it is). They surf on much higher speeds and would view our broadband as baby-broadband..... |
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What I want to know is: can I get a better upload rate? I'm currently on the 600K (750k) package with 128k upstream. Will NTL upgrade this inline with the upgrade with downstream, or is there an option to pay a little extra a month for a better upstream, even 256k would be better.
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By the end of the summer, This will happen.
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Well I'm glad that they have announced this. I think its pretty sad that it take's Telewest to force there hand mind you. I know there not in direct competition with them but it would look very bad if they didn't copy the move.
Now call me paranoid but I also think NTL will make us all pay for this next year. Look at there track record and then try and disagree. On a separate note I'm interested on the true speed the 300 service will be on the stb's. They get 250 now so what will it be after this change ? |
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I am happy with the change :D
I am not at all surprised that the 600k is only going to 750k - after all - if it got any higher (like 900k) then a lot of current 1M customers would probably think "I don't really need 1.5M, a slight drop to 900k will do me" and downgrade - with the resulting drop in revenue for NTL. |
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Do we know when the increases are going live?
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Late summer is all we've been told :shrug: |
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As for criticism over ntl raising the 1meg price to £37.99 last month and now throwing the "free" speed increase into the hat, anyone recall they did a similar stunt with their base 128k service @ £14.99 went up to £17.99 and then they upped the speed to 150k "for free"? |
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AOL/NTL is an example of this starting in the UK. |
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Dosent matter how fast they say the service is, or will be, if the infrastructure supporting the network is a shambles as it was in my area when i was with NTL's 600/1mbit service.
I had NTL broadband for 14mths in total and had no more than 2mths trouble free usage. UBR's constantly oversubscribed making online gameing a complete waste of time, unless between the hours of 2am-7am, and download speeds of between 20-30k on a 1mbit line. Contrast that sorry tale with my current ADSL service with Pipex (1mbit) and i havent had a single outage or an online gaming ping of over 50ms in nearly 11mths and with the 256k upstream i can even host limited, but reliable games. i would like to come back to NTL, i really would, simply in order to have an intergrated Digital TV/Broadband service, but my faith in the companys network has been shattered and simply cant face the thought of spending countless hours on the phone to tech support just to get nowhere. |
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If you were to consider moving back to NTL, there is a wealth of knowledge on here, with many who are quite willing to help out where they can. We have a number of NTL techs on here, so we can only try and sort out any problems that you might have. |
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Any info in the email about us STB users, dont think its looking good for us, as Telewest who cant upgrade 1meg STB customers, basically use the same ST boxes!.
How difficult is it to change over to a modem, a friend of mine has a spare NTL modem lying around after he moved house. |
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I've had a chat with my marketing dept.
In answer to a few questions. This will be releases "late summer" which is expected to be around July. This should, unlike telewest, work on STB customers. If not, customers have the option to switch to SACM, although this would tie them into the broadband contract for 12 months. Cap limit to be reviewed in line with the issue that the cap will be reached more easily with the increased speeds, more notablly with the 1.5mb and the 750k lines. Upload to stay the same for now although switch upgrades are being looked into to allow ntl to increase upload speeds. Hope this helps!!! |
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We have received this Official Announcement from an Internal NTL source
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Here is another link businesswire.com
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this is great news :)
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Now where's the announcment from BT Wholesale? :) Quote:
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Firstly because of the price hike anyway (have they written to me?... have they heck :( ) Secondly because of their "claim" that it's "free" :rolleyes: Thirdly because Telewest are offering 1.5mbps for £35 but NTL have seen fit to use it as an excuse to bump the top tier up by £3. I'll be downgrading to 750kbps as the 1.5mbps is now too expensive (I only want it for 256kbp upstream anyway, which is a high cost to pay)... that's if I don't get 512/256 ADSL instead. Come on NTL... offer a full 2 or 3Mbps package (24/7), and increase the upstream! :banghead: |
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I can't believe you've asked that!!!! :Yikes: 1meg = 34.99 1.5= 37.99...... :dunce: :rolleyes: |
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These were interesting too in that doc
Upgraded Newsgroup platform now being rolled out. Live from May. Customers will experience a faster more reliable service. Upgraded email service to be rolled out in May. Customers will experience more reliable service. ntl has successfully completed a trial of new technology that will allow new Broadband services to be developed in the future e.g with features such as †˜turbo buttonââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ which will allow customers to increase their speed on demand (no date for launch). A new content provider has been added to Broadband Plus. The †˜Photoboxâà ƒÆ’¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€ žÂ¢ service allows Broadband Plus customers to manage and print digital photos online (date to be confirmed). |
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I'd rather stick with 1Mbps at £35 or drop to a lower tier (which I will be doing). The extra 500Kbps doesn't make a huge difference anyway as most the net stuggles to even give you a decent 1Mbps delivery. All it will do is shave a few minutes off downloads if you manage to get one at max speed. During the trials I monitored my usage and discovered that 99% of the time I'm barely using even half the 1Mbps capacity. I can live with a slightly longer download time for a fraction of the price rather than being made to pay more. |
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Just out of curiosity why "if" I can't get the upgrade on the STB, why would I have to go on another 12 month contract for switching to a SACM? I have had BB over 3 years, no way I would go back on a 12 month contract again - surely they can't expect customers to be tied up again for something that is not their fault?
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they say all this stuff about highing the speed but the thing is they have already or will be going to higher the pricing of broadband so it all makes sence. Another thing is whats the point in highering if it they are still going to have that 1GB cap?
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as usual let us "wait and see"
!perhaps! this speed increase will work without the whole network suffering a meltdown. !perhaps! the "Upgraded Newsgroup platform now being rolled out" will enable those of us who suffer from resticted NG access to use a 'proper' service. !perhaps! the "Upgraded email service to be rolled out in May" will not suffer from the usual complaints regarding the NTL email service !perhaps! those pigs I have in the hangar will at last be able to fly ;) |
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