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kronas 06-04-2004 20:02

murdoch moves to the US.......
 
rupert murdoch is moving his 'news corp' offices to the US from australia, the intention of the move is to increase its chances of investers taking an interest in the company, and not tax evasion :D

source: thestreet.com

http://www.thestreet.com/tech/george.../10152547.html

abailey152 07-04-2004 00:01

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Phew! That was close....I thought he might come here. That's all we need......another Aussie!

BBKing 07-04-2004 09:14

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A US citizen for many years now, I believe. Lucky chap, he can watch Fox News every day for their wonderful fair and balanced news coverage</dripping sarcasm>

kronas 07-04-2004 19:07

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Originally Posted by BBKing
A US citizen for many years now, I believe. Lucky chap, he can watch Fox News every day for their wonderful fair and balanced news coverage</dripping sarcasm>

yep, fox are sooooooooo balanced i mean they even beat the BBC with there fair analysis :rolleyes:

abailey152 08-04-2004 09:27

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Yeah, I had the "pleasure" of watching some of the Fox coverage of the Iraq war. It had the level of intelligence of a 5 year old.

kronas 08-04-2004 11:00

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Originally Posted by abailey152
Yeah, I had the "pleasure" of watching some of the Fox coverage of the Iraq war. It had the level of intelligence of a 5 year old.


we should thank the american soldiers for there work in I-RAQ :D :rolleyes:

abailey152 08-04-2004 12:16

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Originally Posted by kronas
we should thank the american soldiers for there work in I-RAQ :D :rolleyes:

:rofl:

Jerrek 08-04-2004 13:26

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Originally Posted by kronas
we should thank the american soldiers for there work in I-RAQ :D :rolleyes:

Hmm, lets see.

1. "We" should be capitalized.
2. "American" should be capitalized.
3. "There" is a demonstrative pronoun. You want the reflexive pronoun "their."
4. Your sentence should end with a period.

Jerrek 08-04-2004 13:27

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Originally Posted by abailey152
Yeah, I had the "pleasure" of watching some of the Fox coverage of the Iraq war. It had the level of intelligence of a 5 year old.

Everyone knows that BBC's coverage was much more fair and balanced because Fox had a suicide, a government investigation for lies, and the management had to resign.

Pierre 08-04-2004 13:39

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Originally Posted by abailey152
Yeah, I had the "pleasure" of watching some of the Fox coverage of the Iraq war. It had the level of intelligence of a 5 year old.

Everyone knows that BBC's coverage was much more fair and balanced because Fox had a suicide, a government investigation for lies, and the management had to resign
Blah, blah, blah, blah

Fox is an American network so it is going to biased towards the US. The BBC will be biased towards the UK.

There's nothing so amazing about that.

Fox caters to the part, a very large part, of America that are not interested in anything outside of America or anything that does not involve America, because they do think (and in cases are probably right)that the world revolves around them.

The Brits and Europeans in general have much broader knowledge and understanding of world issues.

abailey152 08-04-2004 13:43

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Everyone knows that BBC's coverage was much more fair and balanced because Fox had a suicide, a government investigation for lies, and the management had to resign.

No, WE had a government sponsored whitewash. Although the BBC's report was not proven (and this is why the BBC were wrong to broadcast it), many believe there was some truth in it. Afterall, WHERE ARE THE WMD's? The CIA have had their top WMD expert scouring Iraq for them. What has he found? NOTHING!

At least the BBC have had the decency to show some concern for the dead in Iraq. What about Fox? They are just screaming how the Americans have done well and how George W Bush is saving the world by invading Iraq. No mention of all the lives that have been lost (650 Americans amongst them). What about these lives? What has been achieved? Absolutely nothing, except sending a country into chaos. The REAL enemy is still out there....look at the recent events in Spain!

Don't even attempt to put Fox up against the BBC when discussing fairness and impartiality. Any of the mainstream U.S. TV channels could be used for comparison but not the flag waving moronic propaganda outlet for the U.S. Republican party.

Jerrek 08-04-2004 14:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre
Blah, blah, blah, blah

Fox is an American network so it is going to biased towards the US. The BBC will be biased towards the UK.

Except it isn't... It is biased very much against the UK, which is why the Royal Navy got rid of it and put Sky on.

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Fox caters to the part, a very large part, of America that are not interested in anything outside of America or anything that does not involve America, because they do think (and in cases are probably right)that the world revolves around them.
Or we could just not care...

Jerrek 08-04-2004 14:05

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Originally Posted by abailey152
Don't even attempt to put Fox up against the BBC when discussing fairness and impartiality. Any of the mainstream U.S. TV channels could be used for comparison but not the flag waving moronic propaganda outlet for the U.S. Republican party.

Yes. Moronic enough not to lie, moronic enough not to get a government investigation, and moronic enough not to have had their management resign... :D

Pierre 08-04-2004 14:14

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Or we could just not care...

But you care when it comes and bites you the ass a la 9/11

Jerrek 08-04-2004 14:27

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Yep--are you saying you wouldn't care?

Pierre 08-04-2004 14:41

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Yep--are you saying you wouldn't care?

No of course not. The point I am making (and I admit it is a generalisation) is that a large section of the US are very "insular" which is a polite way of saying ignorant.

I would bet that a very very large amount of them never new who Al-Qaeda were or that their foreign embassys had been attacked by this group.

I would expect that many don't know much about Israel/Palestine. Or about the USAs foreign policy.

You say it is because they don't care, well they should care. They are residents in the only superpower in the world the actions of their country has a massive impact on the world. But too many watch channels like fox and believe the propaganda.

I was wathing the news last night and a reporter was asking people in New York if they think America should now pull of of Iraq. One guy said "I think we finish the job but we were right to after Iraq after what they did to us on Sept 11" !!!! and thats in New York, god knows what Middle America believes is going on.

Jerrek 08-04-2004 15:05

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Originally Posted by Pierre
No of course not. The point I am making (and I admit it is a generalisation) is that a large section of the US are very "insular" which is a polite way of saying ignorant.

And so are you. Who is the president of Tajikistan? Which party is the ruling party in Bolivia? What sort of political system does Fiji have?

You have a tiny island to keep track of. I have 18 million square kilometers and over 320,000,000 people, in 50 states, 13 provinces and territories, and over 4,000 counties to keep track of. To me, what happens to Quebec is comparing what happens in France is to you.

So, don't lecture me on ignorance, unless you can claim you know everything in the world.

Pierre 08-04-2004 15:28

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
And so are you. Who is the president of Tajikistan? Which party is the ruling party in Bolivia? What sort of political system does Fiji have?

You have a tiny island to keep track of. I have 18 million square kilometers and over 320,000,000 people, in 50 states, 13 provinces and territories, and over 4,000 counties to keep track of. To me, what happens to Quebec is comparing what happens in France is to you.

So, don't lecture me on ignorance, unless you can claim you know everything in the world.

A bit touchy aren't you. I realise the vastness of the USA and Canada is partly to do with it. But it's no excuse.

We may be tiny island and maybe the advantage of being tiny island is to appreciate our place in the world.

Jerrek 08-04-2004 15:38

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Originally Posted by Pierre
A bit touchy aren't you. I realise the vastness of the USA and Canada is partly to do with it. But it's no excuse.

We may be tiny island and maybe the advantage of being tiny island is to appreciate our place in the world.

Who is the president of Tajikistan? Which party is the ruling party in Bolivia? What sort of political system does Fiji have?

Without Google!

Pierre 08-04-2004 16:11

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Who is the president of Tajikistan? Which party is the ruling party in Bolivia? What sort of political system does Fiji have?

As far as I am aware there are no wars, civil or otherwise, Coup de gras, major world sporting event, terrorist activity or anything news worthy on the world stage happening in those countries at the moment.

But you can be sure that when there is the more Globally aware BBC will report it and I will know about it.

Could the same be said for the US? How many times does Chechnya make the six o'clock news over there?

Jerrek 08-04-2004 16:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre
As far as I am aware there are no wars, civil or otherwise, Coup de gras, major world sporting event, terrorist activity or anything news worthy on the world stage happening in those countries at the moment.

So they're just ... unimportant?

Pierre 08-04-2004 16:35

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
So they're just ... unimportant

I'm sure they're very important. There just isn't anything newsworthy at global level happening there at the moment.

And when there is I am confident it will appear on my TV Screen, How confident are you that it would appear on yours?

Jerrek 08-04-2004 16:45

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Originally Posted by Pierre
I'm sure they're very important. There just isn't anything newsworthy at global level happening there at the moment.

So? That is an opinion, and like all else, it is relative. What you consider important isn't necessarily what we consider important.

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And when there is I am confident it will appear on my TV Screen, How confident are you that it would appear on yours?
Very, if it is newsworthy.

Pierre 08-04-2004 17:03

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
So? That is an opinion, and like all else, it is relative. What you consider important isn't necessarily what we consider important.

I wouldn't argue with that, which brings me back to the my first point that if it doesn't hapen in America or if America aren't involved then it probably isn't newsworthy.

And when something outside of the US that you are involved in like Iraq the way it's reported over there you'd think you were doing it all by yourselves.

I wonder how many people over there know just how many countries actually have troops in Iraq at the moment?

kronas 08-04-2004 18:38

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Originally Posted by abailey152
No, WE had a government sponsored whitewash. Although the BBC's report was not proven (and this is why the BBC were wrong to broadcast it), many believe there was some truth in it. Afterall, WHERE ARE THE WMD's? The CIA have had their top WMD expert scouring Iraq for them. What has he found? NOTHING!

At least the BBC have had the decency to show some concern for the dead in Iraq. What about Fox? They are just screaming how the Americans have done well and how George W Bush is saving the world by invading Iraq. No mention of all the lives that have been lost (650 Americans amongst them). What about these lives? What has been achieved? Absolutely nothing, except sending a country into chaos. The REAL enemy is still out there....look at the recent events in Spain!

Don't even attempt to put Fox up against the BBC when discussing fairness and impartiality. Any of the mainstream U.S. TV channels could be used for comparison but not the flag waving moronic propaganda outlet for the U.S. Republican party.

well said, totally agree. :tu:

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Fox caters to the part, a very large part, of America that are not interested in anything outside of America or anything that does not involve America, because they do think (and in cases are probably right)that the world revolves around them.

and that provokes the age old debate, ignorance in americans :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pierre
The Brits and Europeans in general have much broader knowledge and understanding of world issues.

i agree thats true......

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Hmm, lets see.

1. "We" should be capitalized.
2. "American" should be capitalized.
3. "There" is a demonstrative pronoun. You want the reflexive pronoun "their."
4. Your sentence should end with a period.

so you resort to insults and petty pointers?, mr american/canadian........oops your american today :D :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Pierre
No of course not. The point I am making (and I admit it is a generalisation) is that a large section of the US are very "insular" which is a polite way of saying ignorant.

sorry im blunt i just said that. :D



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Originally Posted by Pierre
You say it is because they don't care, well they should care. They are residents in the only superpower in the world the actions of their country has a massive impact on the world. But too many watch channels like fox and believe the propaganda.

yes and bring 9/11 up as something to create polices for, more excuses for the US government to tighten up security.....i mean spying :rolleyes:


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Originally Posted by Pierre
I was wathing the news last night and a reporter was asking people in New York if they think America should now pull of of Iraq. One guy said "I think we finish the job but we were right to after Iraq after what they did to us on Sept 11" !!!! and thats in New York, god knows what Middle America believes is going on.

yes lets destroy a nation, because the perpatraitors are from a specific country :rolleyes:

Jerrek 08-04-2004 18:39

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Originally Posted by Pierre
I wouldn't argue with that, which brings me back to the my first point that if it doesn't hapen in America or if America aren't involved then it probably isn't newsworthy.

So? Are we not allowed to have that opinion?

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And when something outside of the US that you are involved in like Iraq the way it's reported over there you'd think you were doing it all by yourselves.
I thought this was unilateral action...

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I wonder how many people over there know just how many countries actually have troops in Iraq at the moment?
If you listen to the BBC, who loudly proclaims the unilateral action, you'd figure only America...

Jerrek 08-04-2004 18:41

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Originally Posted by kronas
so you resort to insults and petty pointers?, mr american/canadian........oops your american today :D :rofl:

Absolutely. If you're going to insult someone because you think they're ignorant, you should at least demonstrate that you're not completely ignorant of basic English spelling and grammar.

kronas 08-04-2004 18:45

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Absolutely. If you're going to insult someone because you think they're ignorant, you should at least demonstrate that you're not completely ignorant of basic English spelling and grammar.

insult who, i have used grammer and spelling, i use it when i please, infact sometimes its not worth it for to me to use it, alot of people not just me believe america is full of itself, not because of jealousy, but because of the way the media and people (the general public) portray themselves, what about all the headlines when saddam was caught 'we did it' not quite, it was the rebels in the country that found him.............

downquark1 08-04-2004 18:56

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In the opinion of Al Franken, a fox news jounalist lied about John Kerry: here

I've bee watching fox news web clips for months now, and I've only heard one criticism of Bush on the grapevine, and billy o'reilly admitted that he agrees with democrat clean air proposals. That's it.

Jerrek 08-04-2004 19:11

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You obviously don't watch O'Reilly enough. He critisizes Bush at least once every second or third show.

Damien 08-04-2004 19:14

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Jerrek your anti-BBC rants are starting to upset me. I love the BBC their news service is excellent and there programming equals their high standards. While FOX news is awful and really biased for example when they accussed the BBC of lieing to make the USA look bad which was no where near what they did. A lone reporter said the engliish goverment knew the 45 mintue claim was false nothing to do with the usa.

There is an example of biased fox news (owned by murdoch who has openly expressed his dislike of public broadcasting and hatred of the BBC) so before you continue to rant on aboout the BBC can you back it up?

Also due to you giving me a bbad rep for simply asking why you gave ic14 a bad rep that meansyou cannot really give me another for expressing my views

Jerrek 08-04-2004 19:23

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Your post was completely off topic and inappropiate. A PM would have sufficed.


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...news.wariniraq

'Angry' Ark Royal crew switch off BBC

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The BBC has been axed from the nation's flagship naval vessel following claims of pro-Iraqi bias.

The Navy says it has switched off News 24 aboard HMS Ark Royal after complaints by the crew.

(snip)

Ark has replaced the BBC with rival broadcaster Sky News.
Even your own armed forces can't stomach it.

ic14 08-04-2004 19:25

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Your post was completely off topic and inappropiate. A PM would have sufficed.

Not worth giving a red rep though. Oh and damien id give ya a greenie, but i cant seem to give reps

Damien 08-04-2004 19:44

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Your post was completely off topic and inappropiate. A PM would have sufficed.


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...news.wariniraq

'Angry' Ark Royal crew switch off BBC



Even your own armed forces can't stomach it.

Sorry but what does that prove? The british armed forces have always had a problem with the BBC since the falklands why the bbc refered to the british force as 'The British" for example peter snoow said this "if you belive the argentines or if you belive the british. Which is a sign of its impartality. I want actual proof here not sensentional storys. This just shows that they are impartl instead of siding 'with the boys' fox news. Just because the BBC wont say we where right to go to war doesnt mean they are not impartal.

SO can you give actual proof or do you just like to strike out against stuff. THe BBC is general accepted as the best news service and compared to fox news is excellent.

Also if you read the report the BBC said poor mantinace may have caused the crashs instead of automatically agreeing with the army. Impartal means just that so they do ot take the armys version without prooof. And how can someone who doesnt seem to understand the concept of proof (instead linking to someone elses views) be in a postion to tell us about news companys?

downquark1 08-04-2004 19:49

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
You obviously don't watch O'Reilly enough. He critisizes Bush at least once every second or third show.

I must have missed it in between the self-promoting, and the urging of US forces to take a lession from Saddam and rule by fear by shooting Iraqi curfew violators on site.

abailey152 08-04-2004 23:45

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Yes. Moronic enough not to lie, moronic enough not to get a government investigation, and moronic enough not to have had their management resign... :D

At what point was it proven that the BBC lied? Only one individual actually lied, and he only lied about what facts he had to support his story. Whether the story is true or not is still speculation. On the other hand, loads of facts were conveniently overlooked at the inquiry. Like how much was Tony Blair aware of regarding the release of Dr. Kelly's name to the press. Why was enough information put out to allow the media to guess his identity. Etc. Etc. None of this was investigated. But I guess Fox failed to report this, as it didn't suit their slanted look of the world.

How are Fox going to be investigated when the government is controlled by the party to which they suck-up too?

The BBC is an organisation controlled by a broad spectrum of people, who are there to see that all angles are covered and everyone is represented. Fox is owned by a single individual who supports the Republican party. Add to this that Fox also has a strong editorial bias towards the Republicans and you get the propaganda outlet it is. I'd trust the BBC any day before Fox. You meantion Sky. Yes, I think Sky is quite good. They've obviously kept a good deal of independant editorial control (as apart from allowing Murdoch to rule what is said and how). I think it's fair to say that Sky News has a lot more crediblility than Fox News.


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