abortion under the spotlight.
 

channel 4 is to screen footage of abortions including a 'pump' abortion and a 4 week old foetus on a petri dish.

the program will also contain foetal remains of pregnancies of 7,10,11, and 21 weeks......

the show is to be screened on april 20th

source: BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/3600621.stm

so, should aborted foetus be shown in graphic images on tv ?

is channel 4 scaremongering people in to not aborting...........

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Well personally having endured three miscarriages with my partner my views may be some what coloured but this is nothing more than :sick:

I personally think this does not even warrant a thread here and more fool me for replying as again it is nothing more than :sick:

Kronas as for your questions after the link you posted I cannot even believe even you would ask for a comment or disussion on this.

Again rose coloured spectacles on here but to me it is nothing more than :sick:

:td: :mad:

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my apologies carlingman i know its a 'sore' subject for you, under your circumstances, but its worthy of a discussion IMO

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:sick: :td: :( :mad:

I think the above state my feelings on the subject....

Having lost a child to illness myself I find this thread very disturbing and will not be posting in it any further.

Thats all I have to say !

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The subject of Abortion, as is highlighted above; is a very emotional subject for all.

I think in this instance C4 have overstepped the bounds of public interest and decency. I for one will not be watching.

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I don't think it's fair to tell Kronas this is not fit for discussion, we discuss war and other such things here.

I think showing this on TV is disgusting BUT it does at least waarant discussion by those comfortable with discussing it.

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I agree.
I think that the programe is in very poor taste and should not be shown because a large proportion of the public will not be able to 'handle' it without generating a negative emotional response.

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Is ch4 that short on original ideas that it resorts to this kind of sick programming? We all know abortions take place but it doesn't mean we have to agree or put up with it. I certainly do not want to see scenes of dead babies.

Kronas you have as much right to post here as anyone else but one day when you have kids of your own you'll know how upsetting viewing this sort of thing or even just posting a link to it is for us parents. This is a discussion forum and we talk about almost anything but that doesn't mean we have to feel comfortable about it.

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I'm a parent and I find this no more upsetting than seeing war on the TV, or reading reports on child abuse in the papers etc etc etc

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Which is why you have an off button. I can appreciate that you and other may find this program offensive/disgusting/adjective of your choice, but no-one is going to be holding a gun to your head, forcing you to watch this program.

If we take the head in the sand approach then we will end up with bland programming much in the same vein as American television, where the sight of so much as a nipple can cause such controversy.

Obviously we will have to wait until the program is broadcast to see exactly how the topic was covered, with sensitivity of sensationalism. However, just because a topic is controversial doesn`t mean that it cannot have a place on our airwaves. As you say, many people do not agree with abortion. There are also a great many people that have no problem with it.

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I'm sorry Russ this comment is so patronizing it hurt my eyes, there really is no need to talk down to Kronas, he is quite mature enough to know what is and isn't appropriate to post here.

I think it's a valid subject for discussion, if you feel uneasy with it then there is no need to read the thread any further. Your comment above is not what I expect from you :(

As for the program, I feel it;s a little unnecessary, if you are interested in medical procedures like this then there are plenty of text books in your local library. I guess its another case of opportunism by the TV companies :rolleyes: Suppose if they don't get good viewing figures for it then they won't make stuff like it again :dozey:

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I'm not saying they shouldn't show it - although I'd prefer it if they didn't. Just as some people feel they have a right to view this kind of thing, I have the right to call it mindless depravity. You'd better believe the 'off' button will be used in this house.

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It's not meant to be patronising, that's not my intention. I'm trying to point out how upsetting this subject can be. I'm not denying his right to post about abortions (neither would I try to) either.

You're entitled to feel that way of course but I'm not going to apologise for anything. As I said I'm not saying it should not be discussed, merely making it clear how unhappy I am with it.

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And that's the sort of comment that disturbs me a *lot* more than this program being shown.

Some people "feel" they have the right to view something that is potentially educational? The use of the word "feel" there suggests that you are imposing your opinions on what they should and shouldn`t watch, as it implies that they are in the wrong.

As I said, abortion is not an issue for me, I would even go as far as to argue that a foetus should not necessarily be classed as human, homo sapiens yes, but not human (people too readily blur this distinction between homo sapiens and human).

Fair enough, you are going to be sensible and exercise your use of the off button, and that is to be respected, you're not another of these "moaners" who complain but then forget they can turn the television off. But the uproar at this programming strikes me as the sort of thing to be feared and nipped in the bud lest we have a situation where the "moral majority" dictate what can and cannot be broadcast, to the point where anything even vaguely controversial is banned from the airwaves.

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:confused:

It was a figure of speech...nothing should be read in to it. If it gets my point across better, I'm not trying to impose my opinions on anyone. If was then I'd do a Mary Whitehouse and try to boycott it or join some kind of pressure group which seeks to have some kind of 'control' over what is watched on tv. I certainly don't agree with this sort of thing being shown on national tv (if it was purely for medical/education reasons, there are plenty of free videos/dvds that can be ordered or obtained from a family planning clinic) and nothing will change the way I feel about it but I'm not going to start saying "You shouldn't watch this because I disagree with it" - you should know me better than that.

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I was actually trying to put my point in more general terms without throwing specific accusations at you, that was why I stressed the point that I respected that fact that you are one of those people who do remember they have an "off" button on their television. Apologies if it came across as more specifically directed than intented.

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No problem - let's hug ;)

Anyway, we're getting off-topic....

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I wonder if C4 will show or represent the other side of the equation anytime soon?

Incog.

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Ha! Pigs will fly first :rolleyes:

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Sorry to bump this up, but i actually remember seeing this during Religious Education at school (they were trying to prove the point that a feutus is a human), its not very nice, but it did make me think about abortion more, and when i someone does mention abortion, i do think of it straight away.

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I wont be watching it myself.

But if it makes (even a small percentage) think twice before having unprotected sex/contraception then i think it will have served some purpose. Its too easy for many to not actually think of whats happening in terms of human life IMHO.

I hope im not judging anyone here and i know it isnt a black and white case that we are discussing here, but a lot of people in todays society dont take proper responsibilty for their actions.

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That question - when is a foetus 'human'? is key to this debate, imo, - and I don't mean to upset anyone who has expressed a personal reason why they find this subject distressing.

My personal opinion is that the 'life' of a person does start at the moment of conception.

The comments by wheeliebin, were apt, too :tu:

- so, stopping the need for abortions & diverting the resource to help prevent miscarriage, for example, would be a good thing - wouldn't it?

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Very good point but it fails to take into account human nature :(

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In this day and age, there is really no need to have an abortion, what with the morning after pill. But then there are times its called for I suppose.......wouldnt hold it against anyone if they did.

Showing this on the telly, hmmmmmm dont think its "right" somehow!

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oh russ, lets not talk about the war because people find it disturbing, lets not talk about murder because people find it distressing, just because i have not been through something does not automatically discredit mine or anyone elses view, this topic can be discussed at any length, we talk about all topics on the forum, if it disturbs someone then DONT READ IT.

i think channel 4 are scaremongering people out of abortion, maybe trying to stir a media interest IN MY VIEW

also a foetus once it attempts to form is a sign of life initself

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Um, condoms aren't 100% and some women aren't able to take the pill, so by the time they find out they're pregnant it's too late for the MAP

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I see what you mean.... but a friend of mine, used a condom, his wife was on the pill, and it was the right time of the month to be safer, but yet she still got pregnant.

would you find that an abortion was acceptable in these circumstances?

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the only acceptable cause for a abortion for me, would be if the mothers life was in danger, apart from that you reap what you sow

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I think the final decision is up to the mother, and as her partner you should support her in that decision no matter what your personal feelings are.

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yes agreed, but there can be over suppressive people (men) who tend to try and make the decision go there way interms of aborting.......

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I'd think abortions wether you agree or disagree with it, are a tough time for anyone in that situation and the fact of putting it out on TV is not a great idea.
ARe they really trying to educate us and offer health advice by showing this ? I think not.
They want to entertain and make money and thats why they will be showing this IMO.
Which is pretty sad really.
The same goes with footage of people being blasted off by guns in the wars.
Who pays the most gets the footage.
I think this is just wrong. There are some things which should just not be filmed.

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As a female I believe in the womans right to choose however as I found out during my surgery days, some women chose to use terminations as a means of birth control which I found unacceptable. One woman in particular had at least 10 whilst I worked there and they were carried out on the NHS as far as I know. In the end the GP said enough was enough and he wouldn't refer her again and if she wanted yet another one she would have to pay for a private termination.

I'm not quite sure whether this is something that should be shown on TV but maybe it will show the reality of what happens and make some people consider birth control more seriously.

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And there are plenty of men out their who would dearly love to be fathers but their partners choose to terminate. I know.
Us men aren't the ones who have to carry for 9 months
Us men aren't the ones who have to go through the trauma of giving birth
Us men aren't the ones who have to put our lives on hold for years
Us men are the ones who have to do the decent thing and support our partners in whatever they choose.

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in my experiance of hearing cases, its usally the man..... im not suggesting that women dont do the same, but its more previlant in the man wanting the abortion, not all men stick by a pregnant women afraid of the responsability...........

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Just out of interest Kronny, what do you know about the abortion process?
How it's done at each stage, how much it costs, what support there is?

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i dont really know.


about £300 upwards, i think it depends on how late it is in to pregnency.....

(if your private)

that i dont know, i dont know if there is, i wonder if the NHS offer counselling......

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Thanks kronas.

I did say originally I would take no further part but this some views in here really get at me.


As above and agree.


Another cheap shot at publicitiy by C4.


Spot on Russ.

What makes it worse to me is the original poster creates the thread and then adopts a sort of post and run without any real discussion being brought by him.

I neither want to patronize anyone but this will not even be considered at the evenings viewing in this house as thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s what the change channel or off button is for.

Again I am not trying to be patronising but merely pointing out how distressing this very subject can touch a nerve or two.

I am not myself going to crawl or offer any apology as to my original comment as there no doubt will be many like myself who will be uncomfortable with this thread.

My opinion is my own and in no way am I trying to inflict that on others.


Utter crap m8.

No one here has tried to discredit your views but merely pointed out that when you experience these things your views will change.

On a whole most will experience at some point but do not and try kid us all you have been through it all.

At such a young age as yourself you have a lot to learn.


Sorry your experience??

What experience???

Oh right in hearing cases you mean by that what you have read from google and such.

I think when you gain a bit more experience you will find it is a bit more than the man not sticking by the woman being afraid of responsibility.

Nothing personal kronas but you have a vast learning curve ahead of you called life.

And your last quotes below prove that

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 

i have a life too you know, im not on here 24/7


i stay away from the discussion (works fine)



your calling my view utter crap :rolleyes:

neither you or i can experiance the real pain of aborting, by having it done to you.

how do you know ?

my sister went through it SO DONT GIVE ME THAT!!! :mad:

prove it i dare you ?



well it was a family member......

well my sisters.......

personal, news, documentries, and google.

you cannot deny it and tell me, men dont run away from responability of a child ?

i learn everyday, somethings im good at others im not, you have no right to patronize me over a subject, because im willing to learn discuss with what i do know......

the real helpers are peopel who provide evidence, debsy42 pm'd me with a link to what the processes are, it made me a bit queezy, but i knew how hard it is for a women after reading all the proccedures available it pains me to say that a family member of mine HAD to go through of those proccedures :(