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kronas 05-04-2004 16:27

the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
the FBI is trying to 'open up' the law on tapping in to communications and xbox live was mentioned as a possible resource for 'detection of illegal activitys' :erm:


source: spong.com

http://spong.com/x?art=6442

Tezcatlipoca 05-04-2004 19:41

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
CNET's "News.Com" report that a few weeks ago:

http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html

Quote:

March 12, 2004, 1:05 PM PST
By Declan McCullagh and Ben Charny
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

A far-reaching proposal from the FBI, made public Friday, would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police.

The FBI's request to the Federal Communications Commission aims to give police ready access to any form of Internet-based communications. If approved as drafted, the proposal could dramatically expand the scope of the agency's wiretap powers, raise costs for cable broadband companies and complicate Internet product development.

Legal experts said the 85-page filing includes language that could be interpreted as forcing companies to build back doors into everything from instant messaging and voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) programs to Microsoft's Xbox Live game service. The introduction of new services that did not support a back door for police would be outlawed, and companies would be given 15 months to make sure that existing services comply.

(snip)

Because the eavesdropping scheme has the support of the Bush administration, the FCC is expected to take it very seriously. Last month, FCC Chairman Michael Powell stressed that "law enforcement access to IP-enabled communications is essential" and that police must have "access to communications infrastructure they need to protect our nation."

(snip)

I think they'll probably get their way...

The PATRIOT Act has already got rid of a lot of the safeguards of the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act), so I can't see BushCo having any qualms about making surveillance even more easy. Liberty seems to take a second place to "security" now. Oh, and FCC Chairman Michael Powell is the son of Dubya's Secretary of State, Colin Powell...

Tricky 05-04-2004 19:44

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
O the joys of free speech...

Chris W 05-04-2004 20:50

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
hmm.... so which forum member is an FBI officer then...? Come on, own up! :pp

kronas 05-04-2004 20:55

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeybreath
hmm.... so which forum member is an FBI officer then...? Come on, own up! :pp

*cough ;)

the land of the 'free' eh ? :rolleyes:

Gareth 06-04-2004 02:24

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
God Bless America *sigh*

zoombini 06-04-2004 08:04

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
So what are they going to hear?
Discussions about weapons & tactics? Hmm, I think that may be part of the gaming...lol

Maggy 06-04-2004 11:12

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Paranoia knows no bounds.
So now are gamers are at risk of arrest if they come up with key words inadvertantly?Will they be arresting young teens?

Scary!!

zoombini 06-04-2004 12:32

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
The thing is, onXBL the key words that are likely to be hit upon are also words that can be used from within gaming strategy talks.

In fact you can discuss a whole attack on a building somewhere under the guise of a game & its hard to tell.

Ah well.. I wonder how our human rights etc come into this?

Defiant 06-04-2004 15:41

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
I dont see the point to this. I thought M$ checked to see if you were using illegal bios and banned you from live anyway so this has to be a hoax

zoombini 06-04-2004 16:00

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Its nothing to do with that, its to do with the US paranoia that we are all conspiring against them & our most secret conversations will be listened to, recorded & analized, flagged up & reviewed all in the name of US security.

And they get to deny us our rights to some privacy because uncle Bill is mates with Uncle George & they all want to know what we say in case we are plotting against them.

So next time you are having fun & saying how you would like to deop a nuclear bomb on the Embassy (ghost Recon) then beware as you will be instantly identified & visited by the invisible men in Black, watching & listening in on your game (you think thats just "lag"?), knocking at your door, carting you off should you happen to say it a lot.

Perhaps its time to start talking in code on XBL.
I bought the Apples (I have grenades)
I have bad wind (I have teargas, so wear a gas mask)
get on thier t*ts ( frontal assault)
give it to them up the batty (rear assult)
Its ging-gang-gooly time (camp & sniper the enemy).

etc :D :D

Brainbug71 06-04-2004 16:16

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
I can understand the need for any country's need for security and monitoring of certain groups or people. But since Sept 11th the U.S. of A**holes have completely lost the plot.:Yikes:
If it moves shoot it, if it don't move still shoot it ......cos you never know!

As for Human rights and Liberty thats just B.S. that they drag out when it suits their cause. When it doesn't suit it's like none of those rights ever existed.:mad:


As for Xbox live..watch out all those of you who play crimson skies.. God knows how they'd interpret some of the chat on that game.... probly think your practicing for another big aerial attack.

MovedGoalPosts 06-04-2004 19:24

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini
<snip>
Perhaps its time to start talking in code on XBL.
I bought the Apples (I have grenades)
I have bad wind (I have teargas, so wear a gas mask)
get on thier t*ts ( frontal assault)
give it to them up the batty (rear assult)
Its ging-gang-gooly time (camp & sniper the enemy).

etc :D :D

excellent, apart from the fact you've just made the code public :dozey:

Tezcatlipoca 06-04-2004 20:23

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini
The thing is, on XBL the key words that are likely to be hit upon are also words that can be used from within gaming strategy talks.

In fact you can discuss a whole attack on a building somewhere under the guise of a game & its hard to tell.

Ah well.. I wonder how our human rights etc come into this?

True. I don't see how they'd get any usable info from monitoring anything people say on XBL, especially as the main games played are shooters like CS, GRIT, RS3 etc.

I can understand why they would want to monitor other VoIP stuff, although the whole thing is still an invasion of privacy IMO.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
I dont see the point to this. I thought M$ checked to see if you were using illegal bios and banned you from live anyway so this has to be a hoax

Erm? :confused:

This has *nothing* to do with trying to use an illegal BIOS / modded XBox on XBL.

Defiant 06-04-2004 21:10

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca
True. I don't see how they'd get any usable info from monitoring anything people say on XBL, especially as the main games played are shooters like CS, GRIT, RS3 etc.

I can understand why they would want to monitor other VoIP stuff, although the whole thing is still an invasion of privacy IMO.




Erm? :confused:

This has *nothing* to do with trying to use an illegal BIOS / modded XBox on XBL.

Then why are you so bothered then. Are you worried there checking your game stats and seeing how bad they are. NO well who cares they can't check anything outside the US of A anyway and I doubt any decent gamer would be using US servers anyway

Tezcatlipoca 06-04-2004 21:22

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
Then why are you so bothered then.

Because it's yet another invasion of privacy.

What will they look/listen for? What will they do with it? Why do they want it? What safeguards will there be? What requirements would need to be met for them to access the data?

Yes, in reality it may not really amount to much (what can they really gleam from what people say on XBL), but it's still another unwarranted intrusion.

Plus, as the article said, if this goes through, then costs of affected services could go up to compensate for them having to be reworked to enable this.

And, it isn't just XBL they are talking about. It's also instant messenging, & various Voice over IP apps.

"ready access to any form of Internet-based communications"

Quote:

Are you worried there checking your game stats and seeing how bad they are.
Ooh, cutting :rolleyes:

Nope, if they want to see how bad my stats are, all they have to do is check the XBox.com website.

Quote:

NO well who cares they can't check anything outside the US of A anyway and I doubt any decent gamer would be using US servers anyway
Who says they can't/won't check anything outside the US?

"doubt any decent gamer would be using US servers anyway" lol :rolleyes:

While there are servers in the US, & the UK, & elsewhere, the whole thing is still one network. You can play with & speak to people from all over the world, including the US.

zoombini 07-04-2004 08:29

Re: the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.
 
I'm more worried about that extra milliseconds worth of lag thats going to be introduced because of it. :D


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