Workingmen's clubs
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3596799.stm

Are they really being sexist when there are establishments which won't admit men? For example, many swimming baths have women-only session because the women feel more comfortable without men. But what if the patrons of the workingmen's club choose to exclude women for the same reason?

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*yawns

i fight for equality, but in all fairness i believe women should be allowed in to these clubs, what goes on in these clubs thats secretive ?

whores ?

prostitution ?

i dont think so unless someone tells me otherwise, the excuse could be that men want to be with other men, but you can do that anyway......

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Well if you WANT to come and listen to women gossip..... :D

I can assure you we DON'T talk about you men behind your backs.WE would rather talk about you so you can HEAR what we really THINK of you. ;)

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when you are old enough you will understand ;)

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yeh, the dominos competitions and pipe-smoking are a bit extreme for an 18 year old... wait until your 19th birthday ;)

anyway, :notopic:. I fail to see why women should be allowed into the club, fair enough the clubs are only similar to clubs we had when we were young'uns, no girls (germs and all that), so yes. its PC gone wrong that women want to be in a WMC... they would have to change the name and everything...

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If they're so put out why don't they set up working womens clubs?

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Dunno why they bothered.It's hardly the height of sophistication.:)

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i doubt it, it has nothing to do with your ageistic comment, facts are wanted about the real reason for not allowing women in, there is no need for clubs like these, if there is no 'special' reason for having them.

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If men are neanderthals for not allowing women to become associate members (they are still allowed in; what are they whinging about?), then what does that make the women who vote to keep men out of their clubs, gyms and organisations?

Equal rights does mean giving men some too.

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Women are allowed in working mens clubs. They are just not allowed to be members. That means they have to go in with a member.

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They are private clubs with membership rules, what's the big deal ? it's no different to any private club having a set of membership rules, be it men only, women only, or even train spotters only.

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it was a tongue in cheek joke , nothing personal meant :)

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the argument is used alot and has been used alot against me in the past, it just shows plain ageism against people, how would you like it if i balanced your thoughts because 'of your age' age is only a figure its the person inside thoughts the way one handles things 'knowledge' maturity that should count........anyway enough of this back on topic

yes but the underlying fact that i cant fathom is what is so 'good' about these places that they have to be men only, interms of having to be with a man to get in but not being an associate, is just unfair, if it was vice versa i would still say the samething.

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Kronny, you know most people act differently when people of the opposite sex arent' around.
I know I do.
Take me at work for instance, I work with a guy called mark, when we work nights/weekends we'll fart/not shave/burp/not tidy up til our hearts are content
but during the day when ladies are about, we're more refined.
Working men's clubs were a way of men to get away from their women so that they could be men, and fart, drink, be loud, tell rude jokes, smoke, things like that (think back to what society was like when they started, women were not to be farted in front of!)
Heck you couldn't even say heck in front of women!


And women are alowed in, with a member so they are not banned.

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:eek: Did someone say HECK :eek: :eek:

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cover your ears woman!
and bring me pipe n slippers

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yes, xaccers, do you want me to put them on for you as well :rolleyes:

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don't be daft lass, thee's far too small for them :D (I really can't type yorkshire so I'll quite while I'm behind)


And where's my pic? :naughty:

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pmsl @ that , i am not sure if this is still true or not , but , a club i used to go into had 1 room set aside for men only , you wouldnt believe how much harrumphing went on if a woman even dared to go near the door :Yikes: :Yikes: :Yikes:

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Erm, if no women are allowed in the clubs, how do they get Prossies in? Unless they are guests of the members.

Seriously, while I do agree with equal rights (and equal runs both ways), I do also think that the owners of a club should be allowed to set their own rules as to who is allowed and who is not.

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Having read the thread, I wonder whether everyone here actually bothered to read the BBC report before jumping on the bandwagon? I'm all for preserving the male right to form men-only clubs and go on men-only activities and I believe only the most blinkered, fired-up feminist would argue the point. But the situation at this club in Blackpool is quite different. Women are allowed in, and they are allowed membership of a sort, but in all circumstances what they are allowed to have is secondary to what the men are allowed. That, in my view, is discrimination. The men in this case aren't wanting some space away from women, they just don't want the women to have an equal say in affairs.

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Golf clubs are as bad, many segrogate women and men even in the function rooms.

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think about its a male club :rolleyes: you seriously think if a hoard of males were in there they wouldnt ?

i dont agree, its pure discrimination.


it depends how much of a 'slouch' you are ;)

i know i dont :pp

filthy, disgusting, unhygienic.......

i wouldnt know im always 'refined' :D

im sorry this is 2004, im sure this country is going down........anyway we should improve our manners as a whole not just infront of women, but seek a constant perfection of 'living' standards, to do improve our ways of dealing with being 'tidy' as well as being discreet and making sure that we can achieve harmony amongst all.



yes i know i read the article, so why not without ?

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Kronas, have you ever been to one of these clubs? Do you know that goes on there? I have, on a couple of occasions been to a working man's club. All that went on was pretty much the same sort of stuff you might see in a pub.
What went on at that club, I would call discrimination. I do think, however, that club owners should be free to set whatever rules for membership they feel the need to. I know you don't go to nightclubs, but do you feel the same way about those nightclubs that discriminate against people becuase of their age (e.g. those that only allow over 25s)?

I agree we should all try and get along (what ever race/gender/sexual persuasion we may have).

Bear in mind, however, that the victorians were tidy and discreet. They were also violent & racist.

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woah so im a racist and violent person ?

great thanks for the generalisation, you have to remember everyone is diffarent if you inherit your social skills and thoughts through your race or family, you are responsible for your bigoted, racist antisocial views.


i clearly asked earlier on in the thread 'what goes on thats so special ?' it seems from your comments nothing does.......

i have been to clubs, the age restrictions are there to safeguard people who should not be there, even some clubs have dress codes, but this is discrimination for being a female, which is diffarent because its alienating a sex.

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hang on , you are victorian :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

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no my opening line was being sarky notice the 'woah' bit :D

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fair play :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Since when have I been racist, antisocial or bigoted? And where did I say that everyone who was discrete and well mannered was racist and violent? And I have certainly not said that about you.

Read what I say before you criticise me. I was making the point that people who appear to be discrete and polite may not be (which is why I gave the example of the victorians).

Actually, that was my point. In my experiance, nothing special does go on, so I don't understand the need for a fuss.

Actually, I wasn't talking about the legal restrictions on age (ie, over 18). I was talking about the clubs placing extra restrictions on age (clubs that specify you should be over 25)

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A private club has the right to set it's membership rules, those who are allowed in are happy, those who aren't tend to call it discrimination.

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And, of course, women, when they're in their own company talk about babies and families and dressmaking and knitting and cooking recipies and housekeeping and...

... Oh brother, have you *EVER* been the sole bloke in a room full of women who have had got a few bevvies inside them?

It is a *TERRIFYING* experience and one I do *NOT* recommend!! :Yikes:

I'm all for them being allowed to do it in private without any poor guys around and I think the blokes should be allowed this privilege too!!

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It doesn't happen often, in fact I think it's only happened once before, but boy do I agree with Graham there!!

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Yep. I have done this. It can be a terrifying experience. I have also worked in a company where most of the staff were female (we all went for drinks on Fridays). It could be scary. Especially every 28 days or so..

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It is said, although I can't verify this, that when you have a group of women who spend a lot of time together, their menstrual cycles start to fall into step.

Now, of course, anyone who has studied the physics of waves knows what happens when you get "constructive interference" of two waves.

So imagine what happens when it's most of the staff...!!! :Yikes: :Yikes: :Yikes:

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Yes, it does happen. I *know* what happens when it's most of the staff. Every 28 days, I hated work...

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I know mine did... :erm:

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:ninja: :ninja: Then I'd be very,very,VERY careful just at this particular moment LADS!!!

Only in my case it's every 32 days. :ninja:

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Yes, that's true. It's in every text book for introduction to psychology. Though obviously, that doesn't mean the study/studies isn't/aren't flawed :)

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your 'getting on' a bit though ;)

i never said you did.

yes and i criticised you on that point, you made your comment look like you were saying that people who are polite and discreet are racist, antisocial, bigoted.

your disallowing a gender to get in to a position of power, its like black people vs white again :rolleyes:


thats what i was talking about aswell :dozey:

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I don't see many men being welcomed at a Womens Institute meeting (probably because knitting and baking cakes is far less interesting than drinking cheap beer) so why should women be allowed in a Working MEN'S club? It's one of the last few places men can go to get away from the gossiping/nagging.

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Definitely true, I have experienced (we not personally) this several times. When I lived in a student house all the girls, shall we say, aligned themselves.

Also my other half is in "perfect time" with her best mate. I don't know if it's psychological, I would have guessed it was more physological thing. But then again I'm not a doctor so don't know.

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From our point of view, I can see the point of the fuss (after all, age, gender & sexual persuasion should not stop someone being a leader).

But, I cannot see the fuss about getting into the clubs.