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Richard M 30-03-2004 14:57

Come to Britain!
 
http://www.chris-longhurst.com/cometobritain.php :grind:

It's well worth the read, check out the flash file at the end too. :)

Maggy 30-03-2004 15:22

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Originally Posted by Richard M
http://www.chris-longhurst.com/cometobritain.php :grind:

It's well worth the read, check out the flash file at the end too. :)

Wow! That's one hell of a rant.

Ramrod 30-03-2004 15:24

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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Wow! That's one hell of a rant.

...and a very good one!
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England is officially the planet's softest touch at letting asylum-seekers in23. A 2002 MORI survey discovered we let in more than twice the number of asylum-seekers than the USA, yet we have one-tenth the population.
:afire:

MovedGoalPosts 30-03-2004 15:30

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:idea: Maybe we ought to make that site compulsory reading for asylum seekers - you never know it might just put them off

Graham 30-03-2004 17:58

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If I could be bothered to waste the time, I'd go through and kick big holes in that site which has large amounts of out of date and incorrect information, but, frankly, I've got better things to do...

Ramrod 30-03-2004 17:59

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Originally Posted by Graham
If I could be bothered to waste the time, I'd go through and kick big holes in that site which has large amounts of out of date and incorrect information, but, frankly, I've got better things to do...

Though broadly speaking he does have a point....

mart44 30-03-2004 18:01

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Come on.. our country isn't so bad is it? I bet the residents of other countries could write similar articles picking out all the bad points about their nation too but most aren't willing to be quite so negative about where they live. Nobody seems to bash Britain better than one of its own citizens.

I think it would be interesting to read an illustrated well written article in relpy to this one that highlights all the good points about our country. We'd probably then be swayed in to thinking that Britain isn't such a bad place afterall.

I'm not capable of writing that well unfortunately. All I know is that I'm British and proud to be so. Of course there will always be things that could be much better about the place and bad things will always happen. However, I believe that would be true of just about anywhere in the world. We've always been looked after by our country pretty well on balance and have no desire to live anywhere else.

We just had a walk along the Basingstoke Canal in the sunshine and right now there's no place I'd rather be. Could rain tomorrow though... :)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/boots44/ftg/canal-3.jpg (photo taken last summer)

Graham 30-03-2004 18:04

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Originally Posted by Ramrod
Though broadly speaking he does have a point....

*Very* broadly speaking.

Charlie_Bubble 30-03-2004 18:20

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Hmmm, cost of a new release DVD £24.99. ..where the hell was he buying them from?

aliferste 30-03-2004 20:44

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Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble
Hmmm, cost of a new release DVD £24.99. ..where the hell was he buying them from?

Thats just one thing he got wrong :rolleyes: Didnt stop him being an economic migrant did it!!

Halcyon 30-03-2004 21:01

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Yes but look at all the problems in the USA.
Everywhere had its problems so although there are many problems in the UK, there are many elsewhere too.

Simon Rochelle 30-03-2004 21:36

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Well, this is what happens when you let labour run your country, there one step away from socialist, Tony just knows how to put some nice spin on it.

Did you know, that yesterday or maybe late last week, Cherie Blair managed to win a 10,000 pound payout to one Abdul Ali who had been expelled from school for arson related offences. This was all based on humanitarian grounds because his 'basic right to education' had been denied. Giving evidence the boy said 'I felt distressed. I wanted to goto school." I mean, hell, if he wanted to goto school, what was he doing setting fires in one. The school has also been left with 50,000 quid worth of legal costs, most likely meaning that it will not be able to afford it necceasry resources to fuinction during the next school year properly.

This is all thanks to Blair heaping 'human rights' laws upon us. So next time you vote, just look what Blair's goverment forces on us. not to mention his wife picking up a cosy fee at everyone else's expense including our education system which is buckling under the stress of Blair anyway.

So yeah, come to Britian, on April the 1st he's already opened the floodgates to all the new EU states so that they can all rush in demand houses and then sue us because there not big enough and its an infrignment on our human rights. im sure Cherie will be there championing there cause as well.

Dont vote labour, oh, thats if were given the option and now an european superstate by the end of the year, and if you dont like anyone else, its probably better that you dont vote.

Ramrod 30-03-2004 21:40

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Originally Posted by Simon Rochelle
Well, this is what happens when you let labour run your country, there one step away from socialist, Tony just knows how to put some nice spin on it.

Did you know, that yesterday or maybe late last week, Cherie Blair managed to win a 10,000 pound payout to one Abdul Ali who had been expelled from school for arson related offences. This was all based on humanitarian grounds because his 'basic right to education' had been denied. Giving evidence the boy said 'I felt distressed. I wanted to goto school." I mean, hell, if he wanted to goto school, what was he doing setting fires in one. The school has also been left with 50,000 quid worth of legal costs, most likely meaning that it will not be able to afford it necceasry resources to fuinction during the next school year properly.

This is all thanks to Blair heaping 'human rights' laws upon us. So next time you vote, just look what Blair's goverment forces on us. not to mention his wife picking up a cosy fee at everyone else's expense including our education system which is buckling under the stress of Blair anyway.

So yeah, come to Britian, on April the 1st he's already opened the floodgates to all the new EU states so that they can all rush in demand houses and then sue us because there not big enough and its an infrignment on our human rights. im sure Cherie will be there championing there cause as well.

Dont vote labour, oh, thats if were given the option and now an european superstate by the end of the year, and if you dont like anyone else, its probably better that you dont vote.

Well said....

Xaccers 30-03-2004 21:44

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Originally Posted by Simon Rochelle
Well, this is what happens when you let labour run your country

I take it you are using "run" in the losest possible meaning of the word.

As for cheri, she has no problem defending a paedophile's right to hang around childrens play areas and picking up a tidy sum for doing it :mad:

aliferste 30-03-2004 22:03

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The Human Rights Act is a fairly new piece of legislation. At the moment people are testing the boundaries. In a few years when its your arses on the line you may be glad of it!

Jerrek 30-03-2004 22:19

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is so special about April 1?

aliferste 30-03-2004 22:22

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Excuse my ignorance, but what is so special about April 1?

If you do a practical joke on someone and they beliebe you then they are a fool.

Here is the origins::

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/aforigin.html

Julian 30-03-2004 22:22

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
Excuse my ignorance, but what is so special about April 1?

See Here

Jerrek 30-03-2004 22:26

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I was referring to thsi:

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So yeah, come to Britian, on April the 1st he's already opened the floodgates to all the new EU states so that they can all rush in demand houses and then sue us because there not big enough and its an infrignment on our human rights. im sure Cherie will be there championing there cause as well.

Simon Rochelle 30-03-2004 22:29

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I lied, in the heat of my rant as it consumed me blinded me too the correct date :P its May 1st its happeing. Would of been better had it been April the 1st, then Tony to turn round and say it was one big April fools.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3498775.stm

MovedGoalPosts 30-03-2004 22:40

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Originally Posted by aliferste
The Human Rights Act is a fairly new piece of legislation. At the moment people are testing the boundaries. In a few years when its your arses on the line you may be glad of it!

In my opinion the Act is not working, it is being abused. The example given of the school arsonist being a prime example. I doubt the legislators ever envisaged the consequences we now see, which seem to work against rather than for the human rights of the majority.

homealone 30-03-2004 22:48

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Originally Posted by Simon Rochelle
I lied, in the heat of my rant as it consumed me blinded me too the correct date :P its May 1st its happeing. Would of been better had it been April the 1st, then Tony to turn round and say it was one big April fools.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3498775.stm

interesting?

"A separate deal means that there are no restrictions on citizens of Cyprus and Malta."

I was born in Malta during 1953 Royal Air Force operations - & subsequently lived in Cyprus, can I claim triple nationality ; - ok I'll settle for Malta & UK ? :)

MovedGoalPosts 30-03-2004 23:03

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Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts
:idea: Maybe we ought to make that site compulsory reading for asylum seekers - you never know it might just put them off

Can't believe I got a red rep for this. :shocked: Especially as the person involved did not have the courage of their convictions to argue any view for against or otherwise on this post in public. :(

Apparently the objection is that asylum seekers would rather come here than get assaulted (my polite wording).

That is true.

However, the vast majority of asylum seekers that choose this country appear to do so for economic reasons. If they are in real danger, then yes we should, and clearly do offer sanctury. But we are seen as a soft touch, why else do such disproportionately high numbers seek our shores. If someone is in that much fear, surely they should seek help at the first available country?

The original link that this thread is about, albeit in a biased way, shows Britain in a less than glowing light which might remove the rose tinted spectacles worn by the economic rather than genuine asylum seeker.

Maybe I could have worded my post slightly better, but in the humourous way I intended the post, in response to the post above it, I consider it fair.

Rant over. The red repper does not need to out themselves.

aliferste 31-03-2004 00:54

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Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts

Rant over. The red repper does not need to out themselves.

Not at all, I am quite happy to "out" myself. Everyone here knows my views on asylum seekers. I have just decided to not argue with people about it, whats the point #shrugs#

Im never going to change your mind.

ZrByte 31-03-2004 02:00

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Hes certainly bitter about this country isnt he?
And most of the Incedents on the road he described, allthough these people where in the wrong for doing what they did, it sounds to me like he may have been tailgating to be left such a small reaction time (And forced onto the Pavement?? WTF?? ive only ever seen that once and this guy done it twice in a 5 day visit?? :eek: does bring his driving into question doesnt it?)

punky 31-03-2004 12:14

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I never thought i'd ever be interested to read something from the Michael Moore School of Writing, but by heck that was good. (I suppose stating the truth and references helped)

The thing he says about the epilogues is true though. My family live in Florida (like him, they thought this country is a lost cause, and now enjoy a much better standard of life there), and because of this, I have spent large parts of my time there (Nowadays I go over there for 2.5 months at a time over xmas), and nearly always now, when I come back I feel like he does. I used to think, several years ago, when I moved, i'll miss blighty, but nowadays things are so bad, I honestly wonder if I would. Pool is a big hobby of mine and I go to the pool hall, chat to some mates and have a good time. Come back, to use a grotty table with cigarette burn holes and drink stains in them, and with other patrons so menacing, I daren't go near them, least of all talk to them in case they thought I was insulting their mother.

It had been decided long ago I was moving to Florida (wheels were set in motion when I was still a kid), but i've always thought i'd miss England, but now, more and more, i'm thinking now I wont.

Meeting mates in pubs in central London, and then eating at a nice restaurant in SoHo, is probably about the only thing I miss. Because you have to drive everywhere in Florida, it seriously hinders your ability to drink. I must of only got drunk twice in public in the last 2 years (When I turned 21).

Sure America has it's problems, what country doesn't, but by God this country is getting bad.

Chris 31-03-2004 12:53

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Originally Posted by Graham
If I could be bothered to waste the time, I'd go through and kick big holes in that site which has large amounts of out of date and incorrect information, but, frankly, I've got better things to do...

Agreed ... the vast number of cross-references in his article quite effectively mask the fact that he is being extremely selective and not necessarily up-to-date in his use of information. Two that I spotted in my brief skim of the article were:

1. The Selby rail crash - due entirely to one stupid car driver, although this angry twerp places it in a context which implies it is further evidence of the systemic failures that caused Potters Bar and Hatfield.
2. MMR and Autism - One single piece of highly questionable research made a link between the triple vaccine and the development of autistic symptoms in children. This was always a minority view, despite the obvious glee the Daily Mail took in championing the cause. It has since been shown up, on more than one occasion, for the nonsense it is.

I'm afraid I have little time for rants that are incompletely researched and/or fail to be in any way constructive.

Jerrek 31-03-2004 14:30

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That was hilarious! I want to write one for Canada too.


This bit, though, drew my attention:

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I walked out to the parking lot to discover the nice driver in the silver Rover had parked so close to my rental car that I couldn't get in. Actually, I could even get between the cars. I'd purposely parked out in the boonies - being used to American parking lots, on my first night in the UK I didn't want to bugger up my parking in the narrow bays and **** someone off. Despite my thoughtfullness, this other person seemed to have a fully functioning herd instinct and parked right next to me. We were the only two cars at that end of the lot. So I got in on the passenger side, crawled over to the drivers side and I'm sure the insurance will cover his wing mirror which snapped off as I reversed out of the space (when it caught behind the one on my rental car.)
Are your parking lots smaller than ours? I don't know what a Rover is, but it sounds expensive. I'd just back out and scratch the car to hell and leave.

Chris 31-03-2004 14:46

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
That was hilarious! I want to write one for Canada too.


This bit, though, drew my attention:


Are your parking lots smaller than ours? I don't know what a Rover is, but it sounds expensive. I'd just back out and scratch the car to hell and leave.

The dimensions of the average European family car are probably smaller than North American, so I imagine our car park bays probably are somewhat smaller, yes.

Rovers are overpriced, if not what you would call particularly expensive. The stereotypical Rover driver is aged 55+ and probably wears driving gloves and a cap whilst behind the wheel. (Although I'm only 30 and I've got one!)

MovedGoalPosts 31-03-2004 14:53

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For reference, the official size of our parking spaces is 2.4m wide x 4.8m long. Our cars are gradually getting bigger and certainly wider, so we don't fit. But yes the North American Cars are bigger.

The article in question is undoubedly biased, but undoubtedly a fair bit of effort has gone into it. Most rants you see on the internet are not cross referenced to anywhere near this level.

Jerrek 31-03-2004 17:36

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Did you read his review of America? He has a big rant on it too. Hehe. And I agree with most of what he is saying.


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