Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
Not sure if this belongs here or it should be in it's own thread.
The Christmas Party shenanigans, should heads roll? if so, whose? Mod edit (Chris): A new thread, I think. Lots of posts moved. |
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The government hiding this morning is interesting. I'd have a lot more time for them if they came out and said. yes, we did it, we apologise (which we know means nowt) and we're going to donate 20k each personally to insert x charity here. Looks like there was another party as well, and reese mogg has been caught out as well |
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What makes that video worse, other than that they spent a week denying it ever took place, is that they clearly knew what they were doing.
I can understand if a few staffers who had to work in No 10 anyway, were in close proximity anyway, decided to have a few drinks after work. Yes it still would have been illegal under their own rules but you can sort of understand how it naturally comes about. But the video shows an intentional understanding they would flaunt their own rules and then laugh about it. They really are quite brazen about it all. |
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I think that was a "leaving do", the previous week.
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Boris is expected to lie cheat and manipulate the rules, will it hurt him? no.
He will just waffle out some gibberish at pmq's that bares no resemblance to the subject under question as he usually does. |
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They had the party to test their eyesight.
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Who didn't break the rules a little on xmas gatherings :shrug:
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Anyone still think Boris will make it past 2022?
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Now it gets interesting. If Boris is in an untenable position, a leadership contest would have to follow Party rules. The Cabinet (some) are on manoeuvres and will want to boil it down to last person standing in order to avoid a membership vote (see May for details).
The membership are in none-of-the-above mood as far as I can glean and would like other candidates for leadership to come forward. Exciting (I hope). |
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Liz Truss would not be my choice. She has no public persona and her jokes fall flat.
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So, now the Department of Education admits to a gathering as well
'It was first revealed by the Daily Mirror last night, which said up to two dozen staff of former Education Secretary Gavin Williamson got together for drinks and canapes in the office on 10 December. At the time, London was in Tier 2 restrictions which banned any indoor household mixing. The department has admitted that a "gathering" was held for those who were already in the office and couldn't work from home. "Drinks and snacks were brought by those attending and no outside guests or supporting staff were invited or present," a spokeswoman said. "While this was work-related, looking back we accept it would have been better not to have gathered in this way at that particular time."'' From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/59575030 |
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It’s all fudge. It’s all sleight of hand. It’s all bare faced lying. It’s all hypocritical. It’s all move along nothing happening here.
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Many of the general public don't give a fig about lots of stuff . . |
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The output of this is apathy, and referring to that wonderful quote the Hugh researched from Thatcher, if they tried to impose any further restrictions I think most people would just flout them now. |
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Is the TV still working? *yes* Is Facebook still working? *yes* Is my car still working? *yes* Can I still shop online? *yes* |
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The knives will be out. |
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Yes the knives will be out, but it won't be the 'general public' wielding them.
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Decisive action was required to nip this in the bud, they've not done that, the moral authority if not gone is in in question. and yet STILL Keir Starmer can't get a fatal blow in |
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So Johnson has thrown his staff under the bus - that could come back to haunt him…
btw, "I apologise for the impression that was given" is up there with "I’m sorry you felt you were offended" as far as fauxpologies go… |
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The story has enough traction on it's own though. |
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Scottish Conservative leader and bang average lineo Douglas Ross has called for Boris Johnson to resign if he misled Parliament. A caveat that, unless he’s completely forgotten about a party he was actually at, doesn’t mean much.
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To me, it appeared that Boris managed to brush off his questioning quite easily. The police according to some media sources were already aware of what was going on. Any inquiry is either going to end in a. going to be forgotten about b. a small sacrificial lamb will be offered c. the police will say not enough evidence IMHO |
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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-new...gives-12469075
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There is a larger plan at work here, by well-placed persons unknown, to drip-feed material into the public domain that will eventually fatally undermine Boris even without a smoking gun directly implicating him in something. It’s the death of a thousand cuts, nipping and slicing away until everyone is left wondering why on earth he’s still in charge. At that point someone will challenge him for the leadership. |
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Allegra Stratton resigns, the sacrificial lamb? |
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Interesting that in her resignation speech, she didn't deny the party happened...
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There are definitely people embedded in the Tory party happy to see Rome burn. |
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It’s Johnson’s populism that’s tearing the party apart. He’s some distance from traditional conservative values. By attempting to be all things to all people he’s made it a broad church from red wall former Labour voters to the left and UKIP voters to the right somewhere in there it becomes a difficult balancing act.
As a Brexit Government they’ve culled almost anyone who campaigned to remain from the Cabinet and many from the Parliamentary party haven’t sought re-election. A Conservative Government is traditionally pale, male, stale. But broadly considered to a sizeable proportion of the electorate a safe pair of hands. Leaping from chaotic event to chaotic event isn’t something that traditional, non-red wall, non-UKIP types find appealing. |
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Guess I must be the only person in the country that is not interested in if it happened or not. To me there far more important matters happening in the world , afgainistan ,lran ,Brexit ( n.i ) and even Joe Biden and his total waste is of a VP
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Interesting.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...7Ctwgr%5Etweet Westminster voting intention: LAB: 38% (+2) CON: 34% (-4) LDEM: 11% (+2) GRN: 6% (-) REFUK: 5% (+1) I wonder what's caused this?! Party poopers I guess... |
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In fact most are probably fed up of the constant media attention of something that really doesnt affect them at all. I know I am, and dont care about it at all - did they or didnt they, either way it will have zero effect on my day to day life. I had my Christmas then, pretty much the same as all previous ones (and the same again this year). The Turkey is in the freezer, waiting, and the family is invited (and coming). ---------- Post added at 21:54 ---------- Previous post was at 21:52 ---------- Quote:
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Also, rather than making the event seemingly low-key (a few drinks from people working in an office together at the end of the day would be minimal covid risk) they not only went to town on it (apparently) but also completely mocked the event with the videos in the press conference room. And all this comes to light as they try and put new restrictions, albeit much milder, on the rest of us. it's double standards, love the Thatcher quote, now she is one who acted with integrity. |
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You know what they say…
"If you can’t remember the Downing Street Christmas party, you were really there." h/t @danielmaier |
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That should concern us all surely ? Unless of course it doesn’t matter how those people behave ? |
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No 10 has repeatedly insisted it would not have enough evidence about the Omicron variant until next week to decide if new restrictions were needed. And only this Tuesday Raab had said “We don’t think Plan B is required.” |
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I think a large percentage of people do care. It's the double standard, the hypocrisy and the 'one rule for them, another for us' that upsets people. It's the same reason why the Barnard Castle story had an impact. People expect politicians to be a bit corrupt and dishonest but the feeling of unfairness really angers people. You had your Christmas, fine, but this same Government had passed laws that could have you seen prosecuted for inviting people. There are people now awaiting court cases for breaching social distancing laws last Christmas. Videos of police breaking up parties. Students were fined £10,000 for having a student party during the lockdown. Yet some of the people who worked on those laws had their own party. Those people will still end up with criminal records, those students will not be refunded their fines and you're lack of interest in the Government having a party would not have stopped the Government being very interested in you having a party use the law to prosecute for it. It really doesn't matter what side of the argument you're on when it comes to if those regulations were reasonable or not. What matters is the Government thought they were for you but not for them. I have said it before. Brexit or Remain, Tory or Labour, us pleps have more in common with each other than the politicians who claim to represent our side because those politicians will screw you and me over to further their own needs any change they get. |
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What Damien said…
And the fact that people couldn’t visit relatives/friends in Care Homes & Hospitals because of the rules that were implemented (and ignored, seemingly, by those who set the rules), has really pissed a lot of people off. |
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I'm pretty sure that the best way to resolve an issue you have with the Government is to keep posting about it on a forum, twitter, facebook etc . .
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*Glue your head to the road outside parliament. *Climb onto a carriage on the District line, refuse to come down until you receive a full apology and £10k compensation. *Burn effigies of Boris (attendance of local media is a must). *Organize a protest march *Write to the Queen and ask her what she's going to do about the corrupt people she 'employs' *Wait until the next GE, and then vote for anyone but Conservative (apologies if this hasn't worked in the past) hope this helps ;) |
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They did for a while, but then found there were 'political activists' who had realised that, by carefully posting subjective material, they could influence the way others posted and therefore bend Government policies their way ;) |
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Scientists/Advisers advise, Ministers direct. |
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stir the shit, move on, the way of the anarchist :D |
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No doubt that if it was Labour that had the party/parties then I don't think we'd here the end of it on here. :D
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Labour wouldn't even consider having a Christmas party in case it offended someone :D
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More potential bad news for Johnson, from the Telegraph.
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Boris Johnson has always been a liar he's incapable of taking any personal responsibility until he's forced to the man has the integrity and honour of a slug. The fact his backstabbing and games got him into downing street is a sad reflection on the quality of our political system and perfectly highlights why I'm not bothering at the next election I don't think I'll be alone.
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Regarding the bold part, the turnout for elections is, and has been for a long time, quite low. It's almost as if the general public have, over the years, sussed out that it doesn't matter who gets in, nothing ever changes. The only time there's a decent voter turnout is when something 'big' is on offer . . like the Brexit referendum . . where people could see that a vote for what they wanted, or didn't want, could actually make a difference to the outcome. Politics, and the Governance of the country, is tied up by large businesses and political correctness . . no matter who is in power, the public are a fair way down the ladder of importance . . . and they know it ;) My wife and daughter have never, to my knowledge, ever voted for anything, and I - at 67 years of age - have only voted about 5 times . . . and once was a 'protest' vote for BNP :D |
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I will vote as god help us if Liebour gets in, as they would immediately rejoin the EU and surrender Stirling |
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