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Said it before, said it again.

The Tories are the biggest threat to British culture and British values, not immigrants. The destruction of communities the length and breadth of the country turning it all into an industrial barren wasteland. The things that brought working men together - trade unions crushed, working men’s clubs closing. Similarly for a Conservative Party this one is good at pushing the atheist agenda.

If a migrant will do your job for ten pence per hour less he will be waved on in, if a German company can make trains for a single digit percentage lower cost than they can be made here those jobs will go to Germany.

It’s like the moment at the end of the Usual Suspects when you find out the answer has been staring you in the face after all the misdirection.

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Everyone that fought for the UK during WWII deserves to be honoured and remembered. They gave their lives for this country and our freedom.

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It’s astonishing that you believe honouring those who fought and died for our country is "appeasement".

For context…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2507941.html

It would be added to the many already at the National Memorial Arboretum.

https://www.thenma.org.uk/visit-us/w...t-of-memorials

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The World Wars Muslim Memorial Trust have been working on this for a number of years so well done to them.

The chair of the trust, Sir William Blackburn said;

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Do the victims of:

- 7/7
- 2017 London Bridge
- 2017 Manchester arena bomb

- to name a few, get a memorial.

Do Lee Rigby & David Ames get a memorial?

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Exactly and anybody who thinks otherwise needs to have a good look at themselves.

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Think its the OP that wants 'appeasement', by not recognising some of those that have died for his/her freedom.

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Actually there are memorials of one sort or another for all those victims, so yes -
https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/sou...terror-attack/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_Memorial
https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/ne...rigby_memorial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67198520
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gl...0%20May%202022.

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Not at the National Memorial Arboretum, which is to honour those who have fallen defending the U.K. in wars and other areas, but as stated above, they do have other memorials, and Lee Rigby’s name was added to a memorial stone at the NMA in September 2015, and there is a memorial for dedicated to British victims of overseas terrorism there.

https://www.thenma.org.uk/visit-us/w...for-a-memorial

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Appeasement was what the UK did by signing the Munich Agreement which only encouraged Hitler to expand his territorial ambitions.

Honouring soldiers who fought for the UK in World War II is not appeasement.

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What a <alcoholic drink> fuelled car crash of a thread this is

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Just felt the need to check how much beer and popcorn we've got in stock, because I think this is going to be some more addictive reading, and I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory.

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I am totally appalled by your attitude..How dare you?Who do you think you are?All those who have fought during WW2 deserve all the respect given for their efforts without ANY quibbling!

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:D

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"bleedin’ obvious" ≠ "paranoid Great Replacement Theory bolleaux"

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Seph you have some serious issues and hatred in you.

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the other side a different brand of extremist? Different cheeks of the same arse imho

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You're slagging off a memorial for people who died for Britain in WW2.

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Well it certainly ly sounds like it from a lot of your posts.

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I disagree with your metaphor, the problem is the crack. We use either hand to wipe it, Muslims only use the left hand.

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This thread is rivalling the Online Safety Bill thread as a cause that unites almost all Cable Forum members together.

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What a charmer. Someone remind me how much he just had to pay Mukhtar Ali Yassin to make the libel action Lozza himself started, go away …

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I thought the Cenotaph was a / the memorial for all. :shrug:

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Please explain, I am not familiar with the guys above.

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I think Tinfoil hats will be needed as this thread progresses.


https://youtu.be/wFNO2sSW-mU?t=35

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Laurence Fox: small-time actor turned political activist.
Mukhtar Ali Yasim: small-time actor turned political activist.

Got into a fight on Xitter, during which Mukhtar called Fox some not-nice-names. Fox started a libel action. Fox, for reasons, decided to stop the libel action and tried to negotiate an end to it with Mukhtar. Mukhtar declined to let it drop quietly and insisted on it being formally dismissed with Lozza Fox paying him £1,000s in legal costs.

N.B. Fox is going around telling anyone who will listen that he has decided to ‘discontinue’ his libel action but that description is not entirely congruent with reality. He may have wanted to merely discontinue and walk away, but the only way he could make it stop was to agree to Mukhtar’s demand for formal dismissal. Which, in legal terms, is tantamount to Lozza accepting he lost the case. Diddums.

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The Cenotaph memorialises those killed, hence the inscription ‘THE GLORIOUS DEAD’. The planned memorial is for all who fought. According to the World War Muslim Memorial Trust, onwards of 600,000 Muslims fought in the Indian Army alone. In addition, more than 300,000 North African Muslims fought for the Free French

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Or you, apparently... ;)

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Tend to agree. Kind of weird thing to obsess over when there are far more important ones to worry about.

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Just the religions that they choose to follow

I can see you now lying in bed drunkenly beating your pillow whilst looking longingly at the framed photo of your beloved Tory politician screaming ‘Why? Why have you forsaken me ?’

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You could have just edited your original post to this response and it would have kept the same meaning.

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Whilst I don't buy into Seph's conspiracy theory, I do think it was a bit strange to have this as a budget item, especially at the start. I ascribe this to the government drowning, not waving.

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I would agree with you, but I see it as trying to appeal to a segment of voters they’ve alienated*, not "appeasement".

*I know - which segment of voters haven’t they alienated…

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Yup. I took it as the Conservative Party trying to disassociate itself from Lee Anderson's Islamophobic comments.

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So, I looked up Lee Anderson.

His comments were, apparently ;

Please explain to me how these are "Islamophobic" :confused:

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This article explains why. There are obviously those who will disagree.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2503034.html

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It does not explain why at all.

Those quotes do not do any of these things, seems more like another case of people just making stuff when they dont like a view.
The practice these days, when people disagree, seems to be they just resort to labels like [something]ic, or [something]obia, or [something]ist. :rolleyes:

We have a fair number of forum members who could be labelled 'conservatobic', or 'brexitist' .. :angel:

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Multiple definitions of Islamophobia abound as the article details. As we've seen from some of the protests against the situation in Gaza, some phrases are seen as anti-Semitic by some and not by others.

Are labels a 2024 thing? I suspect they've always been with us.

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So true…

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I found this funny. Apologies, if offend anyone (You probably have seen it). Turn the sound on!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1051315849284183

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Yes, a five year old edited/clipped video from the Iranian State propaganda channel proves the Great Replacement Theory…

:rolleyes:

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Therefore to criticise Islam, and the actions of muslims and Islamists is not Islamophobic.

Got it, cheers.

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That’s an interesting* interpretation of what I posted…

*not related to it at all

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A wonderful counterpoint to the position where criticising Israel *is* anti-Semitic :)

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But, according to the definition you posted ……accurate.

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Criticism of the Israel government - not anti-Semitic

Calling for Israel not to exist - anti-Semitic

It’s very simple.

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Do any other religious groups currently have a memorial?

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Sikhs do I think

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Yes, many but not Muslims yet.

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Why do they have to be grouped by religion? Surely nationality is the only way they should be remembered? Or regiment they served in.

Are the Gurkhas remembered on a specific Hindu memorial?

I’m all for remembering soldiers that gave their lives for us all, I don’t see why religion is the group dynamic that defines their sacrifice.

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But not with £1m of taxpayer money or a government announcement.

Link

A factor will have been:-

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Council funding is taxpayer funding But if you think it's an attempt to buy Muslim votes, I'm not going to disagree..

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Not been there but seem plenty of precedents to group by religion and opportunities for people to have questioned this.

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Not £1m and NOT central government. It was a local campaign.

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I didn't say how much it was and whether it was a local campaign or a central Conservative government one. It's still taxpayers that cough up.

Do you think the government is trying to buy votes?

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Nah, very conscious objective fact.

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Not really. There are those will be always conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In the same way as those who do the same for Islam and Islamophobia.

The real world is nuanced and some do not/are unable to get this.

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No, I think my post stands. People criticising Islam can be accused of Islamophobia to shut them down in the same way that people who criticise Israel can be accused of Anti-Semitism. You have seen it here on this forum.

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That's fair.