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He's certainly at fault by using an illegal bike with no front brakes but if she's a mobile phone Zombie then there's blame on both sides.
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If he been able to brake and in time, but was killed in the process(eg sent flying by applying the front brakes, it can happen), what are the chances that she would have been prosecuted? |
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Not sure how there can be any doubt as to whether she was to blame. She crossed the road, 30ft from the crossing. She IS being absolved of any responsibility by the comments AND by the court case. |
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Used to be the case in this country that if someone died whilst you were doing something not legal you'd get done for their death. I know old street very well and wouldn't drive more than 20 either side of the roundabout
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I certainly hope not. What kind of idiot would do that? He was putting his own life and everyone else's in danger. |
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Why would he change the wheels unless he knew they were illegal ? |
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By your argument a pedestrian who walks out in front of a vehicle and is killed is at fault. There's a law that covers that. It's called driving without due care and attention! In other words be aware of your surroundings and expect the unexpected and be able to stop if necessary. To get back to the fixed gear bike I used to have one when I was 14yrs old so I know what can and can't be done with them. The front break isn't the only means of breaking and unless you are going downhill "hell for leather" you'd be surprised at the short distance you can stop. Putting your weight on the upward pedal causes a breaking force to be applied to the rear wheel so a front break isn't the sole means of breaking and would prevent "going over the top". "Why don't velodrome riders use this method to stop after a race?" 1) They've expended that much energy in the race they just want to relax. 2) Vanity as they'd look like horses on a carousel. Bottom line, he could have stopped, tried to cover it up by changing wheels, prosecute to the extent the law allows! |
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Impossible to comment accurately without access to all the evidence other than this is a tragic occurrence. A bit soon to be hanging anyone just yet though :rolleyes: He may have changed the wheels because of damage during the accident and shouting after a traumatic crash isn't an unexpected human reaction.
Oh, and it's 'brake' not 'break' and 'braking' not 'breaking'. You ol' timers. Sigh ;) |
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Typical that the argument ends up on how something is spelt :rolleyes:
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And, at our age, we should be able to spell. |
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He forgot the rule of pedestrians having right of way..Road or pavement. He should have been taking much more care just as any other vehicle should as well. There are too many unlicensed,uninsured motorised and pedal vehicles either on the roads or on the pavements. Even skateboarders and the new fad of scooters are a stupid danger because those using them seem to be blithely unaware of pedestrians on pavements.I'm getting fed up of having to walk in the road because of dratted mobility scooters side by side as well.
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It's a few decades since I last cycled and then it was mostly country roads with little traffic of any sort.
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What happens when it's a cyclist vs a motorcyclist? Who has the higher victim-points status? I would guess the cyclist - but then motorcyclists are always in the right [sic] - so it could be a tough one!
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Agreed Maggy mobility scooters are a total pain and quite often where i live the people on them manage to jump off them and walk a lot better then me but since our town introduced a rental scheme a lot less genuinely needy people are using them. Seems a part of our societies progress has led to less polite behaviour in general if i had a quid for everytime i get weird looks off young women when i open or hold open a door I'd also have a tidy sum, not all progress is good.
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Anyway I still get no respect from other pavement abusers. |
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Splendid suggestion Kursk! |
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Latest: Charlie Alliston has been cleared of manslaughter but been found guilty of 'Wanton and Furious Driving."
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I am chuffed he will end up in jail. http://news.sky.com/story/cyclist-cl...death-11001986 |
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You can be jailed for being involved in an accident on the highway for which both party seems to have some culpability, whilst stone-cold sober and whilst traveling well below the speed limit?
And all this under the auspices of an ancient law specifically relating to the control of a coach and horses. I wonder if the Queen's Coach has an effective front brake, and, she never wears a seat belt. There must be a law ;) |
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I think he was lucky to avoid the manslaughter verdict. If a car driver had used a vehicle in a similar condition (i.e. designed for track racing and with no brakes fitted and driving at an excessive speed ) the driver would have faced a plethora of charges such causing death by dangerous driving possibly construction and use infringements.
Seems this part of legislation he was convicted under is used more often than you would think From the Report on the BBC News website" It is now used when it is not possible to prosecute under the Road Traffic Act 1988 - ie, when the vehicle in the crime was not mechanically propelled - and in cases of serious injury or death caused by a cyclist's actions. It carries a maximum penalty of two years' imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. Previous successful prosecutions under the offence include those against cyclists Darryl Gittoes and Darren Hall, who both knocked down pedestrians who later died." Who would have thought...... |
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I hope his prison term 'educates' this stupid idiot and those who'd seek to copy his behaviour. There's loads of young idiots around here who insist on riding recklessly on the roads and pavements on all sorts of bikes, many with no brakes. It's about time the police started confiscating their bikes.
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'Furious and wanton driving' ? What the heck is that?
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He could have just as easily, if not more so, have been the one killed in the incident, and no blame whatsoever would have been laid in her direction, even though she was to blame. |
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Exactly, the law is an ass not allowing a manslaughter charge which his case should for a minimum of 15 years. |
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I feel very sad that this accident has resulted in the loss of a life but I'm not sure what purpose could be served by a custodial sentence on a young man, if that's what happens. |
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He has shown no remorse whatsoever according to the judge and on that basis alone he should go to jail. I cannot get my head around how anyone could defend that ignorant turd? |
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The young man convicted is not a true representation of most cyclists.
He is a true representation of a moronic minority who think that they can gad around pretending to be cool and put their bolleaux on social media. It's just a shame you can't ban the twonk from cycling. |
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As for remorse, some people are not given to outward expression of emotion. I'm not defending this cyclist btw; I don't have access to all the info/CCTV and obviously if a judge feels a custodial sentence is an appropriate penalty for an accident, then so be it. |
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It seems this cretin decided he did not have to meet this criteria. He rode a bike on the road that was deemed illegal on the road. He road a bike that did not have a front brake as required by the law. He decided he was above the law which was then proved false in a court of law |
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I am not defending the actions of the cyclist (we don't know all the info) but this was an accident with the worst possible outcome; one which everyone potentially confronts through speeding and most people do that routinely. Quote:
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Thankfully we are about to get fixed cameras on the vans so at least we will have the evidence when we get this sort of attitude from some of the idiots who think they do not have to abide by traffic lights. |
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And whilst everyone recounts their personal anecdote of "why all cyclists are vermin" you might first remember that they are husbands, fathers, mothers, sons...... |
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When in my car, I will try always to protect them because I don't want to deprive a family of a mum or dad, son or daughter, and nor do I want to have the responsibility for someone's death. When on my bike, I just want to stay alive. |
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If you choose to attend, or indeed encounter, an event that you know includes 'furious' riding, such as a race (duh), you need to be aware of the risk, in the same way, say, as you take care when crossing the road. We don't even know yet what the circumstances are here. Perhaps the pedestrian ignored barriers?; perhaps the health and safety experts are to blame? If a person riding a bike shot someone in the street with an AK47, you'd post 'Another pedestrian killed by a cyclist' :rolleyes: |
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If you are to argue on the side of the cyclist at least put some valid arguments together instead of trying to be smart as it diminishes your argument :) |
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Just noticed your edit: I'm not trying to support anything. We don't have the facts yet. |
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Another pedestrian fatality. |
"Wanton and furious driving" by cement lorryists
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Another pedestrian fatality due to cement lorryists. |
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There were a lot of witnesses, who said that traffic was at a standstill by the pedestrian crossing. "They said that the woman was walking between queued up vehicles when the lights changed. "Two hours after the tragedy, the lorry driver was led from the scene in tears by two colleagues." Note he was not yelling at the victim, which the lady mown down by the subject in this thread had to endure. I think you are trying to compare apples with pears. |
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The idiot has been sentenced to 18 months in a youth offenders' institution. Maybe he'll equip his bike properly when he gets out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41306738 |
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So if you want to kill someone use a bike as the punishment is quite light. :rolleyes: |
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