Petition to try and block Murdoch taking over Sky & it's channels.
Various threads have mentioned the fact that Murdoch is to gain control of Sky.
Some aren't happy about this, so here is a petition that's been mentioned in the press to try to persuade the Government to block this deal: https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/1719 |
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No way, let him get Sky I say.....................:)
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Market economics....
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What about vm getting control or trying too of all cable companies in uk then?
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Some people will object to anything. It's a wonder we achieve anything in this country these days.
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We elect our government and then the people who didn't vote for it use spoiler tactics to try to prevent them carrying out their manifesto commitments. This petition is just a personal crusade against the Murdochs, and it's quite wrong. |
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Did I just stumble on to a European Referendum thread? You got it spot on OB; You Remainers stop bleating; you lost. Stop delaying our exit! ;) |
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I thought the concerns were more about Murdoch having control over news media output i.e. Sky News, The Sun etc rather than owning 100% of Sky
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Is there any law in place preventing others from laying cables? ---------- Post added at 18:18 ---------- Previous post was at 18:14 ---------- Quote:
As I said, this is just a personal grudge that some people have against the Murdoch family. Love 'em or hate 'em, they have a perfectly legitimate right to run their businesses and people really need to get over their attitude towards them. |
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It's the way they run their businesses that I have a problem with.
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If you had the PM's ear, wouldn't you try to get your oar in? |
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Meh. If he trys to purchase Liberty Global as well, that when it's time to worry.
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They never will, of course because that's the nature of the beast. |
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I think you like me though can see how silly this pertition is. |
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So you want to give someone like that more media influence? Interesting. And worrying. |
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I wont be signing it.
Why ? Because I really dont give a toss who owns sky, seriously, its of no consequence to me at all. |
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Never blame the rainbows for the rain. |
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Why is this in the VM TV Service forum?
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Because the OP thinks it relates to VMTV.
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I suppose a new owner for Sky, could affect the channels that VM get access to. |
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Shall we start putting weather forecasts in here too?
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Given that weather does not affect cable in any way then, no. You could just ignore the thread if it annoys you so much. |
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Sky has been Murdoch's company from the beginning. As I am sure everyone knows, he set up the original Sky company then merged it with BSB a few years later. Although there were other shareholders from that point on, Murdoch held the largest shareholding in the merged BSkyB and controlled the board, giving him effective control of the company. Most of the original shareholders of BSB either sold their stakes, or downsized their stakes after the merger with Sky. Pearson being one of them. And for those that like trivia, guess who was also one of those original shareholders in BSB..... yep, Virgin. In TV terms, there's the pre Sky era, of no choice, but quality tv. And the post Sky era of oodles of choice and crap tv. Thank you Rupert... |
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AIUI the Murdoch family currently only own 39% of Sky.
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It's the difference between "De Facto" control and "De Jure" control. De Facto means "in effect", the reality on the ground, whereas De Jure means "in accordance with the law". Murdoch and Malone have de facto control of their companies, if not necessarily de jure control, full legal ownership. This is done through numerous ways, including their large shareholdings. But they also control their boards, so even if some directors may "legally" be independent, they're not. They take their orders from the media moguls. It will bore everyone to death if I talk in detail on here about the BSB and Sky merger, and besides you can google it the same as I. But, from the merger onwards, Murdoch had de facto control of the merged company, just not full legal ownership, de jeure, which he will now have. Murdoch, is, in effect, selling his own company to himself. |
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...plus Sky isn't just satellite anymore.
I wonder if things will get any better or worse for VM & it's customers if this deal goes through? If Murdoch had effective control of Sky anyway, I suspect it won't make any difference either way. |
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If that is not convincing enough, look at the management of BSkyB over its entire history and see if there are any inklings as to whom the management's allegiance has been to. Clue: it hasn't been to Pearson, Virgin, Granada or the other BSB shareholders.... Look at the history of the top people like Sam Chisholm, Andrew Neil, Chase Carey. You might wish to look at who the current chairman is, that will give you a clue who is in de facto control of the company... If that doesn't assist you, you may wish to explore what branding the merged company used.... or what technology they used... |
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You do the research and you prove your point. I do know the difference between de facto and de jure BTW. |
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The fact that you said that Murdoch has de facto holdings of 39% demonstrates you don't understand the difference. That's de jure... You also probably think to control a company you must own more than 50% of a companies' shares... Point 1: After the merger Murdoch held a 50% stake in BskyB. All other shareholders held smaller stakes and could not outvote him. Point 2: After the merger Murdoch's man (Chisholm) became boss of the company. Murdoch became chairman with de facto control over the board. Point 3: The sky branding and technology was used for the merged company. That's 3 clear reasons why Murdoch did then and still does now, control Sky. |
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Because I was interested in how this takeover would affect VM customers, to which I've come to the conclusion that it will be business as usual.
Also, Sky isn't just a satellite company anymore; they have a presence on Freeview, Freesat and streaming services. Nevertheless, it will give exposure to Sky customers who may wish to contribute to the discussion. |
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According to the first article on The Media Show yesterday, Ofcom has a regulatory duty to ensure that those holding a broadcasting licence are "fit and proper" to do so.
As this is an ongoing duty, this won't be looked at when/if they first gain control! They will, however, want to ensure that neutrality is in place and maintained from day one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dv9hq |
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Given that he's not British, he shouldn't have been sticking his nose into the referendum anyway, given that, whether we like it or not, he has unmerited influence. So, to save me some research, was he a remainer or leaver? More importantly, what were his motives? We know why globalist Obama tried to use threats to make us stay in. |
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He pulls the strings at Sky already what's going to change ?
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He would officially be able to pull the strings. A distinct difference in my view. |
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Absolutely.
Still, as long as the sheep can get Sky Sports et al, I suspect most won't care at all. |
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People subscribing to Sky do so for the technology and the content. They don't pay their money because they love the Murdochs.
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Yes, it's not always about the product.
Despite liking it's product, i've stopped using a certain coffeeshop because of their attitude towards tax- I know one or two who've done the same. |
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Rupert Murdoch’s Sky bid could soon face UK investigation.
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Bah! It will go through..Our politicians are so hypocritical at times that there will be very little discussion about it from any side. Murdoch has them running scared.
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Petitions are pointless and give the signatories the impression they've something (e.g. the ban Trump petition, which was wholly ignored).
Far more effective for the public to just boycott all Murdoch's media outlets. However after all he's done, I guess the brain dead masses are too apathetic. |
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The culture secretary has said that she is likely to refer Rupert Murdoch’s £11.7bn takeover bid for Sky to Ofcom.
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I'm not holding my breath. After all the 2nd half of the Levison report has been kicked into the long grass because it was part of the last gang's decisions.
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Back in the day, Murdoch was confident that Sky was going to be free forever (see 1:49)
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I remember that Andrew, then in 1993 the spin was that they had to start charging to provide quality entertainment blah blah blah.
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These days they obviously see them as serious competition. |
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Rupert Murdoch's Sky bid to be investigated by UK regulator.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...y-bid-uk-ofcom |
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He may not be well liked, but any refusal to grant permission must have a proper and legal basis. If they come to a surprise and perverse decision to block this, he will appeal and win. Decisions of this nature cannot be made on the basis of how liked the person is. ---------- Post added at 19:01 ---------- Previous post was at 18:57 ---------- Quote:
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Karen Bradley says she is minded to refer Rupert Murdoch bid for Sky to CMA for full investigation.
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Minded? I suspect that Tom Watson has it right.
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Ken Clarke says that David Cameron did a deal with Murdoch in order to win the 2010 election:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson...dw#.mh7XrkeE0x |
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Just like every other political party, the power of Murdoch is very reduced these days imo.
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In what could well be the coup de grace of a long drawn-out saga, the UK Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) has provisionally found that Fox taking full control of Sky is not in the public interest due to media plurality concerns.
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Not that I'm suggesting you can bribe a Tory. :erm: |
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EDIT: Although maybe Sky News might still be allowed to exist outside of Murdoch's control. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...-sky-takeover/ |
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Should this be re-examined in light of the proposed Disney/Fox deal or is the fact that Murdoch will take a stake in Disney still a concern for the impartiality of Sky News?
Could Sky News be moved to the remainder of Fox? Wouldn't that be worse? |
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I doubt that Sky News will be moved to the remainder of Fox. They've always both been owned by Murdoch and he has never shown an interest in merging them. I don't see why Disney would be interested in doing it either. I don't see why they would be interested in changing the news output at all, not actually being a news company. Did they change ABC news substantially when they bought ABC?
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