U.S President: Donald Trump
Brand new thread to discuss issues surrounding U.S President: Donald J. Trump.
Prior thread became bloated and it was becoming heated at times. Old thread will be closed and archived, as it was mainly about the U.S Election 2016. It must be accepted on both sides of the argument that people have differing views. It is impossible for people to agree on stuff. Similar issues with the old thread must not occur in this thread or action may be taken. |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/u...-strategy.html
Trump and his aides seem to be revising their approach after the first two weeks. Trump especially seems to be angry about the way the Executive Orders have been drafted. According to this he didn't know the degree to which Bannon was being appointed to the N.S.C: Quote:
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I have seen the memes of Trump dangling on puppet strings and Bannon is the master pulling them. I have to consider that to be ludicrous because I strongly doubt Trump would share a platform of Authority with anyone.
In other news it seems, the TV interview Fox News did over weekend with Trump, the Kremlin seems to be demanding an apology for the terms 'Killer Putin' being used by O'Reilly. http://news.sky.com/story/killer-put...emark-10758394 |
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Can't see Fox News apologising to Russia, especially not for that
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Another Tweet from Trump, this time claiming that any negative polls about his immigration policy are fake news. Some responses are scary, comparing his approach to something that happened in Germany many years ago..
A lot of his Tweets seem to be dismissive of anyone or anything that gets in his way? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74430800539648 |
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I like the fact that Trump's tweets are attributable to him and not the off-the-record anonymous press briefings that the UK favours. But I'm unhappy about his frequent deployment of "alternative facts" as portrayed by this and other tweets. |
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In the old days our glorious leaders always had the 'good day to bury bad news', now there are so many other, far more effective, means by which to deflect attention, distort information, discredit critics/opponents etc. etc. Is it any surprise then that this is happening? When was the last time anyone heard a president, pm or whatever accept they'd got it wrong or made a huge error? The truth is they routinely lie and/or blame and try to discredit their opponents. The internet has just made it a whole lot easier for them to do the same thing on a much bigger scale.
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Not very surprised by this, I don't think it would have worked out well for Donald Trump anyway
Donald Trump will not be allowed to address Parliament on UK state visit, Speaker says http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7565651.html |
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Well it's not like a publicity whore like Bercow would pass up an opportunity like this is it?
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It's weird when you consider Xi was invited. It never used to be that common until recent years.
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The PM is not the Speaker's boss.
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If you listened to the reception that Bercow's decision got, and Trump was your client, you would be grateful he was not invited to address Parliament. It would be potentially humiliating for Trump and it would not be constructive to US-UK relations. I'm sure far worse people have addressed the UK Parliament but for many reasons, the US president is judged far more critically. I guess that's an element of the special relationship that Theresa May was talking about. |
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Speaker said he is 'strongly opposed' to the President speaking in Westminster
Bercow is one of three powerful 'key holders' to the historic Westminster Hall As an invited guest on a state visit Trump might have expected to make a speech Bercow allowed leaders of China, Kuwait and Qatar speak to MPs and peers Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4Xyx6LxJT Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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Looking at the principles and not the people, if I was advising a PM to invite or not invite a foreign leader to speak to the House of Commons, I would consider the reception my valued guest would receive. In Trump's case, a significant number of MPs perceive him to be sexist, racist and cosying up to the UK's enemies like Russia. They would potentially accord him a hostile welcome. I wouldn't want that to happen to someone I invited to address the Commons and it could likely backfire on me and the guest would not be impressed. ---------- Post added at 08:43 ---------- Previous post was at 08:41 ---------- Quote:
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I think Bercow is a top bloke (for a tory), and an MP, so why shouldn't he have his say ? He must have to ruffle a few feathers on behalf of his constituents so isn't apolitical. He seems to be speaking for the majority of MPs.
It's all irrelevant anyway. The Trumpster doesn't want to speak to parliament, and he'd be speaking to a largely empty chamber. He just wants a posh dinner with Queenie in the palace, with b&b. It's cheaper than a 'cottages.com' booking. |
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And what would we replace it with? An executive president like the system that gave the world Donald Trump? Or a ceremonial one that gave Ireland that bloke that looks like the Dungeon Master? Personally I am very happy with a system that allows us to have a head of state that isn't a divisive political figure, who has impact and respect around the world which, by its hereditary nature, can be extended through her children and grandchildren. |
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The Speaker, Bercow has wholly acted inappropriate, he has used a platform to gain an audience and he has undermined the Government when he is meant to act neutral at all times, he is a hypocrite and undemocratic by dissing the democratically elected leader of our most important ally. |
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But sometimes I feel that you perceive offence from me and others when absolutely none is intended. Last week far more MPs voted against the wishes of their constituents by voting for Article 50 than MPs who voted against Article 50 against the wishes of their constituents. And one MP threw a sickie! But I would argue that none of the above makes MPs inherently undemocratic. |
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MPs who voted against their constituents for Article 50 being triggered were respecting the Majority democratic result of the referendum, those who voted against that, stuck two fingers up at that majority result, they are undemocratic because they dissed the very thing that gave them their seat in the house. Don't mention that racist MP Abbott who threw a sickie, she is an absolute disgrace along with her ex-lover Corbyn. |
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It's a no-win situation for some MPs - vote against the wishes of constituents who elected you (and may not re-elect you because of your voting decision) but vote for what the majority of the country voted for. And it's highlighted even more when an MP like Sarah Olney is elected on the platform of voting against Article 50. I guess it's down to the electoral system in the UK being based around representing constituents. I do think Parliament needs reforming as it penalises smaller parties but as it works for Labour and the Conservatives I can't see it happening. |
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This also highlights why people should not be so critical of the US Election process in regards to how our own election processes run, the popular vote in the US does not win the Presidency because you cannot have a few States with high population density, dictate who wins it. |
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You ever consider the reason why people don't want trump here is rather than hypocrisy we hold the Americans in high esteem as leaders of the world and expect better of them, they're our closest friends after all, when has anyone expected anything from the leaders of kuwait or taken their moral compass from Qatar. |
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Also, when you say people, you mean 'some people', a lot of people DO want Trump to come visit. This is the problem with large parts of the liberal entity, rather than engage in dialogue and offer the right to free speech which they often abuse to their hearts content themselves, they want to deny that same privilege to their opponents, quite frankly it is pathetic. |
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Bercow's backtrack? Speaker apologises after he tries to ban Donald Trump from Parliament
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Add to that (especially when we still had Britannia) the milions brought about in exports when the Monarch pays a state visit and yes if you wish to forgo that then let's get rid. Oh wait, remoaners don't wish this country to thrive on it's own. |
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Name calling sadly is often used when trying to win an argument without objective consideration of the facts.;)
And by the way l am a monarchist and even though l did not vote for Brexit its happened so lets get on with it and hope it leads to a better future for us all but l would not put your house on it though.:) as one might be rather disappointed with what transpires.:) |
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...worth-tuppence Especially when the actual figure they cost might have been underestimated grossly, I know what I believe and it isn't that they gain us cash http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-10491277.html And I think you'll find I've been moaning for years on here on behalf of British workers stitched up by the EU, don't remember you having much to say though http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...2&postcount=59 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...8&postcount=34 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=141 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...3&postcount=37 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...93&postcount=3 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...7&postcount=88 |
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Whatever the monarchy costs it isn't more then the revenue from the crown estates that go to the exchequer and despite the vocal whinging of a small minority there is neither the desire or the will to abolish the monarchy and that issue has nothing to do with brexit. I believe now as I've believed from the start that the best future for the UK medium to longterm is out of the EU being a truely global trading nation constrained only by laws we set ourselves and improving relations with many more nations then we would have under the EU. I'd even be happy if we improved relations with russia and brexit will give us the freedom to do that.
No one has ever said brexit is risk free because it isn't much will depend on how competently things are handled by the relevant politicians at the time issues arise. But lets not pretend remaining in the EU was risk free because that's fantasy land, the EU has deep issues which have been ignored or glossed over for a longtime that are coming home to roost. Further integration was also coming as the EU's endgame has been known and celebrated by some eurocrats the united states of europe we couldn't continue being in the club but not adopting the integration for much longer some in the EU were frustrated with the UK before brexit was even mentioned as they felt the UK should be fully commited. We leave now and we have time to gets things sorted and organised the alternative being we stayed in and either integrated to the desired level in the near future or be given an ultimatum of integrate or be kicked out. Given that even a fair few remain supporters were not supportive of further integration it was a problem that would have needed to be resolved. |
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Trump travel ban: judges skeptical about arguments on executive order
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https://order-order.com/2017/02/07/b...ed-parliament/ Strangely he didn't seem to think they were worthy of the Trump treatment... :rolleyes: Anyway in the interests of fairness, to Trump, I should point out that there's a petition here seeking Bercow's removal from office: Quote:
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Ivanka Trump's entanglement with establishment media family the Murdochs comes to the surface. Google the headline in bold below to read the full article
Ivanka Trump oversaw Murdoch daughters’ trust Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka was a trustee for a large bloc of shares in 21st Century Fox and News Corp that belong to Rupert Murdoch’s two youngest daughters, underscoring the close ties between the US president’s family and the mogul behind the Fox News Channel. https://www.ft.com/content/a615f0ce-...f-061b01e23655 |
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Obama has told way more Alternative Facts, here is a sample of a few:- Quote:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7894/9...-aaron-bandler Oh and what's this also..... ??? Bill Clinton LIED under OATH regarding his affair with Monica Lewinsky... Quote:
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Your quote is based on a statistical number X.X /100,000. What are the actual numbers? Don't forget the population has increased in the past 50 yrs so statistically it may be lower but numbers could well be higher. |
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So here we are, some of you having issues and trying to paint a picture of Trump lying, may be he did tell a porker yesterday, but I am not having you or anybody else saying it is not okay to highlight the hypocrisy going on here regarding former Presidents, when it came to them telling Alternative facts. |
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Yeah don't see how Hugh is being hypocritical. This tactic of shutting down criticism with accusations of hypocrisy if they haven't criticised someone else. There will always be someone else to condemn. I mean I didn't see anyone here have a go at Nixon?
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If there were 2,000 murders last year and 2,500 this year then the rate has gone up and has nothing to do with per person. That is the public perception, deal with it instead of hiding behind statistics. |
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So no there is nothing wrong with Hugh highlighting that Trump could be lying but the term 'Alternative Facts', has history in the White House by former Presidents of the United States. But the way it is being put across here, because Trump may be doing it too, it makes him extra bad.... :rolleyes: |
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Murder rates are calculated per 100,000 people. Please try to understand the issue before criticising people. |
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I don't care how the authorities calculate the murder rate, I am talking about public perception.
Joe Public looks at the number not the statistics. Trump could well be looking at it the same way IDK. |
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Well, since the number of US troops in Afghanistan was reduced from 100,000 in 2010 to 8,400 in 2016, I would call that "bringing more of our troops home to their families".
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And for the record, he is now a Politician, being the President of the United States. ;) |
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Yemen Withdraws Permission for U.S. Antiterror Ground Missions
Now let me get this right. The military wanted to carry out this raid but Obama wouldn't sanction it preferring to leave it up to Trump. Trump said OK as the military had planned it all and (presumably) made the decision based on what the military had informed him. The operation went pear shaped and it's Trump's fault? WTF. |
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Alternative facts, fake news, spin - all part of the same deception used, in all likelihood, by every government there's every been. Only the method of delivery is different. We're in a world in which the masses can and will believe what they choose to because there'll always be someone or something at hand to confirm the 'facts' the prefer.
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Here's a bit of background on how Trump was persuaded to agree to the Yemen raid by his staff. .
Donald Trump's staff get him to agree to policies by saying 'Obama wouldn't have done it' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7566861.html However, Pip may have been a little hasty in describing the raid which missed its target and killed 30 civilians and one US Navy SEAL as having gone "pear-shaped". According to the White House, it was “a successful operation by all standards”. |
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I say your opinion, because he is doing everything he said he would do on the campaign trail, which of course he was democratically elected on, so I would say all his supporters and the people who voted for him would heavily disagree with you. As for the Travel ban, which others like to call it.... shock horror:- 55% of Europeans agree with Trump's Immigration Restriction, only 20% disagreed with it, 25% neither agreed or disagreed or was not sure of it.... Quote:
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Overall, I do think Trump appears to be trying to deliver on his promises, perhaps more so than many commentators expected.
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It's not the first time the US has co*ked up in military operations and not always the fault of whoever is in power. Planning and operation is down to the Pentagon and if a President cannot trust their judgement then they should be replaced. |
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Jimmy Carter is a better example.
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He's having a go at a business decision made by Nordstrom now?
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Now every retailer knows that if it decides to take a punt on selling clothes by Ivana Trunk but doesn't sell enough to make money then it can either: 1) Carry on losing money. 2) Stop stocking the clothes but face aggressive tweets from the President. Average retailer's decision: not worth the risk. |
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I have to laugh everytime l read or see anything on that prat Trump.
He is now whining about companies that are abandoning his wife. Have you seen pictures of here each time she appears with that prat. Never smiling, as if she is not being the wife of the man who is causing so much truble in the US. And he has only been Presidnt for a few months. He must be the only President, who is the most disliked person in American History. |
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It's Arthur, what do you expect Mick? He doesn't have the intelligence.
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