Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

Brexit is not a slowly-deflating tyre - it’s cold turkey, breaking the hospitality industry’s addiction to an endless supply of cheap labour that’s prepared to put up with crap working conditions because they don’t intend to stick around for long.

Indeed

https://cde.news/brexit-drives-up-wa...free-movement/

Should be cause of celebration, I can't believe Andrew didn't pick this up from a week ago. No doubt the MSM conveniently buried it.

But now, hopefully sectors, will realise that they're going to have to pay decent wages that will attract domestic workers.

mrmistoffelees

22-06-2021 15:48

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36084060)

Again, I’m not sure what the problem is here. The single market is the single biggest protectionist operation on the planet. There are benefits to trading within it, but for a major world economy with global connections and a deeply embedded international outlook, those benefits may well be eclipsed by the restrictions that come with it. That was one of the calculations inherent in any intelligent approach to the referendum vote. I, and many others in the oldest Brexiteer constituency (that which took form after Thatcher’s famous Bruges speech) long believed that in the round, it was not in the UK’s interest to remain tied to the single market. No single example of disadvantage brought about by our exit from the bloc changes the overall calculus.

So, we agree, Sephi is attempting to make something out of nothing.

Fab, that's that cleared up then

Sephiroth

22-06-2021 15:53

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36084057)

Do this rule only apply to the UK ? or does it apply to other non EU members?

You stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the underlying nastiness towards the UK of the EU. They are the enemy.

mrmistoffelees

22-06-2021 15:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084064)

You stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the underlying nastiness towards the UK of the EU. They are the enemy.

Because they're not...we left, we now play by the rules of not being members and also the treaties that we agreed too.

Buckle up, because there will be plenty more of this to come.

Chris

22-06-2021 16:08

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36084063)

So, we agree, Sephi is attempting to make something out of nothing.

Fab, that's that cleared up then

Yes, I think Seph is over-egging the pudding here. Even when we were inside the single market, France’s language promotion rules limited the opportunities for English-language content to get broadcast on French media. Once we’re outside these arrangements, Netflix will find a way round it - they’re driven by viewer demand so they’re not going to stop providing desired content to European audiences just because of quota rules. As a minimum they can simply stuff their catalogue with cheap Euro-crud to keep the proportion within the prescribed limits.

In practice a lot of Netflix’s English language content is made in Eastern Europe already because the tax breaks are attractive and there are much larger areas of unspoiled wilderness, plus towns and villages whose architecture lends itself to period dramas and young adult fantasy. And, not to turn this into another TV license thread, but the the BBC’s funding model does ensure there are many more opportunities for domestic commissions than the size of our media market would be on purely commercial terms.

jonbxx

22-06-2021 16:10

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084032)

Well, apart from the obvious retribution that EU is intent on inflicting on the UK, this is sheer hypocrisy on their part.

As their directive is intended to preserve the cultural identity of the member states, and they are so sincere in wishing that we'd remained, now the UK is a cultural alien.

This is one of the areas of discretion that they have - but little/no doubt that France and VdL are driving this as a matter of retribution.

There is very little if any justification of staying in the EU with such nasties. Matter of principle, imo.

So you Remainers, in "we told you so" or "you voted for it" mode should really be standing up for the UK.

Not hypocrisy at all. The directive is designed to (amongst other things) preserve the cultural identity of member states. We are not a member state, therefore the Directive no longer applies. Not really sure what the confusion is here unless you wanted to keep the good EU bits and not the bad bits (French bits it seems)

Anyway, British media companies should be exploring growth opportunities further afield, just like our farmers, fishermen, etc.

1andrew1

22-06-2021 16:23

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084064)

You stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the underlying nastiness towards the UK of the EU. They are the enemy.

You've fallen for the Telegraph's propaganda, Seph. An honest Brexiter would acknowledge we lose out a bit on broadcasting but look at all that cheap Ozzie Shiraz!

Sephiroth

22-06-2021 16:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36084070)

You've fallen for the Telegraph's propaganda, Seph. An honest Brexiter would acknowledge we lose out a bit on broadcasting but look at all that cheap Ozzie Shiraz!

Be that as it may (or otherwise), you still doggedly refuse to acknowledge the EU's nastiness towards the UK as evidenced in many current contentious areas.

jonbxx

22-06-2021 16:57

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084073)

Be that as it may (or otherwise), you still doggedly refuse to acknowledge the EU's nastiness towards the UK as evidenced in many current contentious areas.

In what way has the EU treated us differently from any other third nation, trade deals notwithstanding? Do you feel that the EU is being exceptionally nasty to the UK or just showing the general levels of nastiness to third countries?

1andrew1

22-06-2021 17:00

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084073)

Be that as it may (or otherwise), you still doggedly refuse to acknowledge the EU's nastiness towards the UK as evidenced in many current contentious areas.

I've condemned the EU when it's been at fault eg AstraZeneca situation and I'm no fan of Macron, to put it mildly!
It would be easier for me to condemn or defend it all the time, but I try to focus on the facts not the factions.
I certainly don't play the victim card for the UK and don't advocate such an approach. We a third country now and need to take the rough with the smooth.

Chris

22-06-2021 17:03

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084073)

Be that as it may (or otherwise), you still doggedly refuse to acknowledge the EU's nastiness towards the UK as evidenced in many current contentious areas.

Seph ... you really need to wind it in a bit. It’s a special kind of megalomania that perceives personal slights around every corner. There are plenty of things the EU has done directly with the UK in mind, but this isn’t one of them. The single market is a protectionist construct. Its rules will always advantage itself at the cost of third parties. If you didn’t understand that, you should have voted to remain. ;)

OLD BOY

22-06-2021 17:17

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36084041)

I’m not sure what all the hand-wringing is about here. Uncontrolled mass immigration might have brought about a golden age for sectors that thrive on the low wage environment you can only get from severe over-supply of labour but that is not good in the long term for the British labour force.

Brexit is not a slowly-deflating tyre - it’s cold turkey, breaking the hospitality industry’s addiction to an endless supply of cheap labour that’s prepared to put up with crap working conditions because they don’t intend to stick around for long. There are already encouraging signs of change in the BBC version of the report - restaurateurs realising they’re going to have to improve pay. It’s not enough though. Unpredictable hours, excessive use of part-time staff and all the other stuff you can only get away with when you know high staff turnover isn’t a real problem ... it all has to go. There’s a long road ahead, but there are immense opportunities here for owners who are prepared to invest in stable, well-trained and remunerated jobs. Meanwhile, those who will only obsess over where they’re getting their next fix of cheap, super-flexible (and exploitable) workers from, are going to land up in trouble.

An excellent post there, Chris, if you don’t mind me saying!

1andrew1

22-06-2021 17:25

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084084)

Why not just leave it to the population to decide what they want to watch.

The EU is a bureaucratic, stifling entity. It is also extremely spiteful.

I am surprised that you continue to defend the EU, Andrew. Yes, there are consequences for leaving, but the EU is hell bent on making things as difficult as possible.

Perhaps we should retaliate, although I hesitate to advocate playing these childish games.

I'm not defending the EU, I'm pointing out that this is less the EU being nasty to us and more the consequence of our status now being that of a third country.

I'm not the only person on this thread to point this out so if you don't like my answer, please read Chris's or jonbxx's answers instead.

Sephiroth

22-06-2021 17:31

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36084079)

Other third countries have nothing to do with this. You apologists for the EU must do better, please.

We are unique in having been fully aligned with them on our departure.
Plus, the NI Protocol immensely complicates matters and requires them to be more reasonable to avoid what we all know is coming by way of sectarian violence.

Varadkar is stirring the poison pot as well. Stop defending the EU and stand up for the UK. You, Jon, and Andrew (and MrM).

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36084081)

I nearly did.

jonbxx

22-06-2021 18:25

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084087)

But we are a third country now, no different from any other third country.

Somehow, when it comes down do it, it seems that those who voted leave seem to be less happy than those who voted remain.

It's not apologising for the EU accepting that we left EU institutions. It's apologising for the EU by asking our country to do what it promised in international agreements. It's not apologising for the EU to accept that other nations might still want to be a member, it's accepting their sovereignty.

We just have get on with things, accept what's happened and do our best as a reasonably large economy but not the biggest next door to a big economy.

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