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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36014521)

I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?

As pointed out, there's no indication that these will offset against loss of trade with the EU.

The fact there's trade doesn't mean we will be better off for it or that growth and wages will keep up with inflation in the long run.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36014521)

I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?

It's just possible OB, that a single country won't get as good deals as they had as part of a larger trading block. Schoolboy economics. Bozza and his Eton buddies probably studied Latin or something as useless instead.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36014472)

There is room for different views on here,, isn't there Mick? If not, you might as well close the Current Affairs section down.

There is nothing different about your view though, you’ve regurgitated the same negative crap since, 2016! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36014549)

There is nothing different about your view though, you’ve regurgitated the same negative crap since, 2016! :rolleyes:

One endeavours to maintain a certain continuity Mick ;) True, my view hasn't changed. I just meant a different one to yours, which also hasn't changed which is fair enough. However still room for both views, surely?

Some peoples views have changed though, it's been nearly 4 years. Maybe we should ask the question again, now we know what deal on offer? i.e. brino, the break up of the United Kingdom, and an economically poorer country. Not selling it to you, am I?

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Not at all and I’m not convinced we need to ask again. It wouldn’t bother me if we did, the way Remain Maniac MPs have been behaving and the EU itself, we’d win again, but we shouldn’t have to ask again. The original result should have been enacted by now.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...endment-would/

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The DUP has threatened to unite with Labour to back a customs union this week as it warned it will unleash “guerilla warfare” to bring down Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal.

In a move that could torpedo the Prime Minister’s strategy for delivering Brexit by Oct 31, senior DUP figures have threatened to back proposals which could prevent the UK from pursuing its own trade policy.

Should MPs back an amendment for customs union this week, Mr Johnson could be forced to pull the legislation required to ensure the UK leaves the European Union on time.

On Sunday night a senior DUP figure told The Daily Telegraph there were “multiple scenarios with multiple options for us to resist Johnson’s anti-UK deal,”...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36014558)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...endment-would/

This farce has gone on long enough.

This Parliament is impotent and not fit for purpose.

We need a 1 month extension, and a general election.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36014502)

I think he has abided by the request though and it seems the EU think they've got it too. All they're saying is 'we've received the request'. No one cares if it's signed or not because that's not a thing.

The entire purpose of the photocopy and no signature was to create a red herring.

The real story that BoJo didn't want the media to focus on is that he has gone back on his word to leave on 31 October. And the red herring worked!
Indeed, the leave date of 31 October is now being downplayed on Government websites. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50117797

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36014559)

This farce has gone on long enough.

This Parliament is impotent and not fit for purpose.

We need a 1 month extension, and a general election.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

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Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36014527)

If they're not as good as the ones in place already, that we got by being part of the EU?

Who has more bargaining power - a very large chain of supermarkets, or a small local group of local shops?

Who said they won't be as good? They will be more relevant to our needs.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014529)

This is what I mean about the remainers' mindset. They have convinced themselves and everyone else that there will be a major loss of trade with our EU neighbours.

Sure, we will lose a little, but most of our trade with the EU will remain pretty much as it is. New trade agreements that fit better with our own needs will surely overcome such minor loss and very much more. The only caveat I would make is that this will work best under a Conservative Government. Labour would have absolutely no idea how to manage these new opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36014543)

And the fact that we are the world's fifth largest economy does not even register in your thinking?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36014551)

One endeavours to maintain a certain continuity Mick ;) True, my view hasn't changed. I just meant a different one to yours, which also hasn't changed which is fair enough. However still room for both views, surely?

Some peoples views have changed though, it's been nearly 4 years. Maybe we should ask the question again, now we know what deal on offer? i.e. brino, the break up of the United Kingdom, and an economically poorer country. Not selling it to you, am I?

It's certainly the case that a lot of those who voted remain now want to get on with Brexit. Where is your evidence that a significant number of Brexiteers have changed their minds? I have seen no credible reports on that, but even the BBC has reported on many occasions that most former remainers now want Brexit to happen.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36014563)

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

Which is totally irrelevant, doesn’t remove the issue of the current Speaker, breaking conventions and parliamentary procedures, a Remain Parliament blocking one of the largest Democratic results, so Pierre was correct in his assessment that we need a GE.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36014553)

It would bother me, to be frank. Many voters will decide not to participate in a second referendum, taking the view that they have already communicated their wishes in the biggest ever turnout in recent times.

If that happens, what is the Government going to do if there is a vote to remain but on a much lower turnout? It will be utterly meaningless and will not properly convey the mood of the country.

If that were to happen, the anger would only increase, and who knows where that will lead?

We've had the vote. It is now up to Parliament to implement it.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36014575)

Agreed.

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It's hardly a "remainers mindset" to point out the reality that the trade deals made with non-EU countries are an absolute unknown and any projections made on that basis we will be better off is entirely speculative. JRM himself said it could take fifty years! Who am I to argue with that?

I could equally say it's the mindset of leavers that we will be better to FF in the absence of any evidence. I suppose though, we didn't win two world wars to be told what to do by a kraut!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36014571)

Who said they won't be as good? They will be more relevant to our needs.

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This is what I mean about the remainers' mindset. They have convinced themselves and everyone else that there will be a major loss of trade with our EU neighbours.

Sure, we will lose a little, but most of our trade with the EU will remain pretty much as it is. New trade agreements that fit better with our own needs will surely overcome such minor loss and very much more. The only caveat I would make is that this will work best under a Conservative Government. Labour would have absolutely no idea how to manage these new opportunities.

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And the fact that we are the world's fifth largest economy does not even register in your thinking?

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It's certainly the case that a lot of those who voted remain now want to get on with Brexit. Where is your evidence that a significant number of Brexiteers have changed their minds? I have seen no credible reports on that, but even the BBC has reported on many occasions that most former remainers now want Brexit to happen.

And the fact that it is a tenth of the size of the EU’s doesn’t even register on your thinking?

Rochdale are the fifth biggest club in the Manchester area - it doesn’t help them that much when they play Liverpool... ;)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36014571)

And the fact that we are the world's fifth largest economy does not even register in your thinking?

And treats many of its poorer citizens with utter contempt and callousness in our wonderfully unfettered laissez faire economy....