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I believe (could be wrong) that the letter is basically a 'copy' of the lawful statute passed . . . attempting to rip it apart means attacking the very thing they themselves passed

edit: aah maybe read your post wrongly, apologies if so . .

jfman

20-10-2019 10:36

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36014479)

I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it. :)

Carth

20-10-2019 10:42

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014482)

I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it. :)

Got ya :)

I reckon that letter will have been put together weeks ago ;)

papa smurf

20-10-2019 10:48

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014482)

I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it. :)

I imagine the phone calls will have made his meaning quite clear.

Damien

20-10-2019 10:52

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It doesn't matter I don't think. We're distracted by the noise. In the end he has abided by the Benn bill and a request has been sent. Legally it seems not to matter at all that he didn't sign it or sent another letter saying he thinks it's a bad idea, he didn't even say don't grant us one.

jfman

20-10-2019 10:56

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36014489)

It doesn't matter I don't think. We're distracted by the noise. In the end he has abided by the Benn bill and a request has been sent. Legally it seems not to matter at all that he didn't sign it or sent another letter saying he thinks it's a bad idea, he didn't even say don't grant us one.

Indeed. It’s good optics for Boris going into a General Election.

Sephiroth

20-10-2019 11:03

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I suspect that the courts will get him. He has committed to the Scottish court to send the letter.

I’ve seen past judgements where the courts go to Hansard to assess what Parliament intended when they passed the Benn Act. There can be little doubt that Parliament intended him to sign the letter and that didn’t need spelling out in the Act particularly as Boris’s trick has the effect of negating what Parliament intended.

Also there is no appeal in criminal cases to the ECJ except on grounds of failure to process the case properly.

jfman

20-10-2019 11:12

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It hasn’t negated what Parliament intended. The EU have a valid extension request.

What they aren’t doing is making a decision yet. This is perhaps understandable as it allows Johnson the chance to keep pressure on Parliament to back his deal tomorrow or Tuesday. If they haven’t done so/refuse to do so the EU will grant the extension later this week.

OLD BOY

20-10-2019 11:22

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36014470)

Wrong, they include forecasts of additional trade we may get as a result of Brexit. But we've done this argument to death before and I accept that you believe all civil servants and advisers to the UK Government, CBI, Chambers of Commerce and Conservative Party have secretly conspired together.

What I am saying is that there are far too many unmeasurables in assessing how business will react to their new freedoms. The forecasts are very speculative, formed by well meaning people one supposes, who are tasked with a challenge that is like pinning a jelly to the wall. There are far too many imponderables to put accurate figures to this.

It is comparatively straight forward to measure what we will lose, but assessing what we will gain is a forecaster's nightmare.

jfman

20-10-2019 11:36

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If anything at all.

Damien

20-10-2019 11:51

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36014492)

I think he has abided by the request though and it seems the EU think they've got it too. All they're saying is 'we've received the request'. No one cares if it's signed or not because that's not a thing.

Hugh	20-10-2019 14:49

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A copy of the 2nd letter has been leaked online...

jfman

20-10-2019 15:00

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Haha.

Entertainingly the "photocopy" isn't a copy of the schedule on the act at all. It's had formatting changes so someone still typed it out for Boris.

OLD BOY

20-10-2019 16:17

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014499)

If anything at all.

I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?

Hugh	20-10-2019 17:06

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36014521)

I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?

If they're not as good as the ones in place already, that we got by being part of the EU?

Who has more bargaining power - a very large chain of supermarkets, or a small local group of local shops?

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