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Ramrod

31-12-2017 18:29

Re: Brexit discussion

I'm pretty sure that after people saw through Bliar there was a shift to wishing that they had never voted for him in the first place. Nevertheless, he remained prime minister until what people had voted for (his term in office) came to an end. I don't see why the one and only, binding, this is what will happen if you vote out etc etc....vote should be treated any differently. :shrug:

Osem	31-12-2017 18:42

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35930497)

That's because you believe in democracy... :tu:

heero_yuy

31-12-2017 18:59

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35930504)

That's because you believe in democracy... :tu:

Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.

jonbxx

31-12-2017 19:13

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35930507)

Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.

What referenda has the EU forced on any country?

Osem	31-12-2017 19:33

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35930507)

Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.

Correct. They've got previous when it comes to that...

arcimedes

31-12-2017 19:34

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35930513)

What referenda has the EU forced on any country?

These have been referenda on new treaties. The Irish didnt vote yes once and I think the Belgians had problems with a regional parliament over the Canadian Trade agreement. i think there has been one other event.

jonbxx

31-12-2017 21:13

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Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35930519)

The Irish vote was a vote to change the Irish constitution to incorporate the Lisbon treaty.. The vote was a ‘no’ so the wording of the amendment was changed and the referendum run again with a ‘yes’ result. It was an internal thing for Ireland and the 28th amendment went ahead.

The thing with Belgium wasn’t a referendum. Wallonia were concerned about some protections around agriculture and so blocked the Belgium federal governments ratification of the treaty. Assurances were given, Wallonia agreed, the Belgian government ratified the agreement.

Hugh	31-12-2017 22:13

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35930507)

Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.

What sort of person would suggest that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36306681

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The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

Ramrod

01-01-2018 00:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35930543)

What sort of person would suggest that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36306681

Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.

GrimUpNorth

01-01-2018 00:24

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35930545)

Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.

Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

Cheers

Dave

Julian

01-01-2018 02:10

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35930546)

Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

Cheers

Dave

I googled that for you and found these links amongst others...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7077801.html

https://www.ft.com/content/54f5f6c5-...c-131cec69d88b

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-either-side

HTH :)

GrimUpNorth

01-01-2018 02:23

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35930550)

So when he said something he meant it :rolleyes:

Cheers

Dave

denphone

01-01-2018 06:41

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35930546)

Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

Cheers

Dave

Strange how some self righteous politicians quote this , that and tother at us plebs but cannot quote it to themselves.

Osem	01-01-2018 11:05

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35930545)

Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.

They told us there'd be no second chances to pile the pressure on those tempted to leave and get their way - it was all part of project fear. Having lost the argument it clearly suits some folks to start whining about people changing their minds, didn't know what they were voting for blah blah blah... Pathetic.

Hugh	01-01-2018 13:02

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Once again, I have to remind posters of the 1st post in this thread.

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New thread to discuss Brexit.

Guidelines

The constant baiting, belittling of either side of the vote needs to end. The new thread must be a reasonable and a frank debate, it's impossible to agree on this topic but none of this "he/she is thick" or "you're a snowflake". This is not Facebook or twitter.

Repetition of silliness will result in the Infraction System being invoked.

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