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Osem 10-04-2016 22:20
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35831886)
I'm just happy that people like these two are finally speaking up.
Me too but I'd be a lot happier if I thought those running the EU had similarly seen the error of their ways and reacted before this crisis in Europe was allowed to happen. As it is, a lot of damage has been done and only time will tell how much.

Ramrod 10-04-2016 22:53
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
In light of what's been said in that link, I'm not surprised that our liberal brethren here are silent. Let's recap:
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-followers of Islam are creating “nations within nations” in the West.
-52 per cent of Muslims did not believe that homosexuality should be legal
-data shows “a chasm” opening between Muslims and non-Muslims on fundamental issues such as marriage, relations between men and women, schooling, freedom of expression and even the validity of violence in defence of religion.
-“It’s not as though we couldn’t have seen this coming. But we’ve repeatedly failed to spot the warning signs,”
-Even left wing columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown told him: “[W]e [liberal Muslims] are a dying breed — in 10 years there will be very few of us left unless something really important is done.”
- “Some of my journalist friends imagine that, with time, the Muslims will grow out of it. They won’t.”
-he lays the blame at the feet of the liberal, metropolitan elite, media classes
-“Even when confronted with the growing pile of evidence to the contrary, and the angst of the liberal minority of British Muslims, clever, important people still cling to the patronising certainty that British Muslims will, over time, come to see that “our” ways are better.”
What British Muslims Really Think is on Channel 4 at 10pm on Wednesday

Osem 11-04-2016 10:29
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Leaflets calling for the killing of a sect of Muslims have been found in a south London mosque.

Piles of the flyers, which say Ahmadis should face death if they refuse to convert to mainstream Islam, were displayed in Stockwell Green mosque.

The leaflet was authored by an ex-head of Khatme Nabuwwat, a group which lists the mosque as its "overseas office".

A mosque trustee said he had never seen the leaflets before and suggested they were fakes or left there maliciously.

Minority communities in Pakistan have become targets of sectarian violence, and some fear that could spread to the UK, encouraged by organisations like the Islamic missionary group Khatme Nabuwwat, and others.

Khatme Nabuwwat believes Ahmadis are apostates, commonly defined as people who have abandoned their religion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35928848

Taf 11-04-2016 11:15
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35831838)
Snag is, that most of them coming over are the not the non-Muslim kind.
It's the same in my missus' hometown (Argenteuil, northwest of Paris). The very moderate Algerian muslims who have lived there for generations have been displaced en-masse by African and Middle Eastern muslim immigrants who have a totally different set of ideals.

The arrest there of a terrorist in the final stages of planning an attack shows how dangerous the place has become.

Osem 13-04-2016 09:09
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36029703

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The Eurozone jobs crisis is encouraging more southern European migrants to head to the UK to join those from the east, the Migration Observatory has said.

Over the past five years the number of EU nationals living in the UK has gone up by almost 700,000 to 3.3 million.

The report said 49% of the 700,000 were from Poland and Romania, but Spain, Italy and Portugal accounted for 24%.

The Migration Observatory says there is no single "pull factor" but a mixture, including wages and economic prospects.

ntluser 13-04-2016 10:04
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Given the several failing economies of the Eurozone it looks like we have become the dumping ground for the EU's unemployed.

It seems the only way to make David Cameron honour his promise to cut immigration is to do it for him by voting to leave the EU allowing us in the UK to decide which immigrants are allowed to stay.

We can also get rid of a lot of the EU legislation restricting our progress.

Osem 13-04-2016 12:30
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It may not be the case in some areas of the UK but around here homes are being built all over the place - often flats and apartments with limited outside space and insufficient parking for likely needs. With our infrastructure already bursting at the seams it all adds up to more pressure on services, schools, hospitals, roads, public transport and everything that goes with it. Rapid population growth is causing huge problems in places like London and so far as I can see there's no plan to do anything the uncontrolled migration that is the cause of much of it.

Osem 14-04-2016 09:37
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Two suspected migrants from Iran have been rescued from an inflatable dinghy off the Kent coast near Dover.

Two lifeboats were launched after a 999 call at about 02:15 BST, but were unclear of their exact position.

They were found a mile from the shore after a ferry in the English Channel saw a light from their mobile phone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36042806

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it's the first time it's happened so far as I can see. I don't see this as a potentially significant problem but it'll be interesting to see where they actually sailed from and whether anyone else will try the same thing.

Hugh 14-04-2016 13:32
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It's probably happened before, but if an small inflatable overturns in the Channel, it's unlikely that it would be spotted, or any bodies seen/recovered.

Osem 14-04-2016 13:35
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35832497)
It's probably happened before, but if an small inflatable overturns in the Channel, it's unlikely that it would be spotted, or any bodies seen/recovered.
Yes you're probably right. These guys were only spotted due to the light from their mobile phone apparently.

nomadking 14-04-2016 13:45
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I thought I remembered similar stories before this and sure enough.
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Nine suspected illegal immigrants had to be rescued when they became stranded on a small inflatable dinghy in the English Channel.
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The two Pakistani men are being investigated by border officials after being rescued from the English Channel in a child’s inflatable dinghy
July 2015
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Migrants desperate to get to England from the French port of Calais are now trying to swim across the English Channel - with disastrous consequences, reports the BBC's Paddy O'Connell.
Last summer, sitting outside his pub near Dover, landlord Nigel Wyndmus saw a small dinghy. A cutter from the coastguard drew up alongside.
At first he mistook what was happening for a training exercise.
"The boat was just a few hundred yards out," Mr Wyndmus said, "and we realised that it was illegal immigrants trying to get to England."
From 2001
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Two would-be asylum seekers who used children’s inflatable rafts in a desperate attempt to paddle across the English Channel were released by French police without charge last night.
The immigrants, from Lithuania, had been on what coastguards described as “a children’s Lilo” for 10 hours as they tried to navigate their way across the world’s busiest shipping lane.


papa smurf 15-04-2016 16:39
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Shock map shows Schengen FAILURE as army tanks scramble to migrant borders
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...igrant-borders

Hugh 15-04-2016 17:46
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35832648)
Shock map shows Schengen FAILURE as army tanks scramble to migrant borders
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...igrant-borders
No tanks scrambling anywhere, just the support troopers and engineers that have been put on stand-by.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/flu...id4916198.html

Taf 15-04-2016 18:04
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Friends in Sicily have been moaning about "thousands" arriving every day. And Sicilians don't like foreigners very much already.

Osem 15-04-2016 18:23
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A huge recent surge in migrants arriving in Italy by sea is set to continue, the International Organization for Migration has warned.
Nearly 6,000 have arrived since Tuesday alone, it says.
In the week to 13 April, arrivals in Italy were 173% higher than the previous week, while arrivals in Greece were 76% lower.
Officials in Libya say they fear the closure of the migrant route through Greece is leading to the surge.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36054840

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Earlier this week, the president of the European Council also warned Italy and Malta to expect large numbers of would-be migrants departing from Libya.
Donald Tusk told MEPs that it would not be possible to apply the same approach used for the Balkans to Libya.
So far this year, the IOM has recorded more than 23,000 arrivals in Italy and more than 153,000 in Greece.
Well it's reassuring to see how the EU has it all under control now. :rolleyes:

It's taken ages for them to formulate flawed plan A for Greece but where's the plan for Italy/Malta or didn't they expect a change in preferred route?


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