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1andrew1 28-05-2020 19:11

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36037511)
sky sports to show 25 free to air games starting with Merseyside derby on first weekend back

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...25-free-to-air

I'm sure a few Pick TV fans will be keen to see 25 matches are being shown on that particular channel. ;)

denphone 28-05-2020 19:14

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037513)
I'm sure a few Pick TV fans will be keen to see 25 matches are being shown on that particular channel. ;)

Four live matches on the BBC as well as l think a similar amount for Amazon Prime as well.

telegramsam 28-05-2020 20:04

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36037514)
Four live matches on the BBC as well as l think a similar amount for Amazon Prime as well.

Free to air on sky and BBC but will the games be free on Amazon Prime too?

denphone 28-05-2020 20:08

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037518)
Free to air on sky and BBC but will the games be free on Amazon Prime too?

Do you mean as part of ones Amazon Prime subscription?.

jfman 28-05-2020 20:09

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
6pm evening kick offs and Pick TV. They will be foaming at the mouth over on DigitalSpy.

newapollo 28-05-2020 20:15

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
BT Sport to show 20 live Premier League games with season set to restart on Wednesday 17 June. With the return of live Bundesliga, UFC and now the Premier League in June, we can confirm that as a gesture of goodwill we will also be offering customers a further bill credit to the value of 50% of their BT Sport monthly subscription.

https://www.bt.com/sport/football/pr...eason-restarts

Hopefully VM will still be able to offer a months credit in line with the BT offering

telegramsam 28-05-2020 20:17

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36037520)
Do you mean as part of ones Amazon Prime subscription?.

No I mean to the rest of us who don't have a subsription. It would be odd that they don't unless BT aren't offering games for free?

denphone 28-05-2020 21:16

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037526)
No I mean to the rest of us who don't have a subsription. It would be odd that they don't unless BT aren't offering games for free?

l cannot answer that currently as l simply don't know.

telegramsam 28-05-2020 21:22

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36037538)
l cannot answer that currently as l simply don't know.

Ok thanks,I'm all will be revealed in time

Hugh 28-05-2020 21:24

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037518)
Free to air on sky and BBC but will the games be free on Amazon Prime too?

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36037520)
Do you mean as part of ones Amazon Prime subscription?.

Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037526)
No I mean to the rest of us who don't have a subsription. It would be odd that they don't unless BT aren't offering games for free?

Amazon Prime services (next day delivery, Music, etc.) are only available to those who subscribe- why should anything else be free?

cheekyangus 28-05-2020 22:03

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As well as Freesports showing 2 live Polish games per week they have also said they'll be showing 3 per round of live Portuguese football.
https://twitter.com/FreeSports_TV/st...84417953005570

Raider999 28-05-2020 22:16

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Have been looking - what is Pick TV and how do I watch it?

Chad 28-05-2020 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36037547)
Have been looking - what is Pick TV and how do I watch it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_(TV_channel)

Raider999 28-05-2020 22:28

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36037548)


So not available on Virgin then?

Appears to be only be n Sky platform (not in HD)

telegramsam 28-05-2020 22:33

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36037540)
Amazon Prime services (next day delivery, Music, etc.) are only available to those who subscribe- why should anything else be free?

I only wondered because I thought the Premier league had said ALL games would be free to air?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36037550)
So not available on Virgin then?

Appears to be only be n Sky platform (not in HD)

Virgin channel 165 I believe for Pick channel

Chad 28-05-2020 22:44

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Freesports are showing Midtjylland v AC Horsens (Danish Superliga) live on Monday from 3pm.

cheekyangus 28-05-2020 23:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36037550)
So not available on Virgin then?

Appears to be only be n Sky platform (not in HD)

That link was broken as one character was missing.
Here's it with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_(TV_channel)

Pick is available on all major UK TV platforms (Freeview, Freesat, Sky and Virgin Media).

There isn't a HD version on any of them.

Hugh 28-05-2020 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037552)
I only wondered because I thought the Premier league had said ALL games would be free to air?

---------- Post added at 22:33 ---------- Previous post was at 22:31 ----------



Virgin channel 165 I believe for Pick channel

Some matches

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...tart-plan.html
Quote:

Premier League games are set to be broadcast free-to-air as part of Project Restart with the government targeting a mid-June restart.

Oliver Dowden, Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, confirmed the government's push for some matches to be available freely with subscription services BT Sports and Sky Sports the other broadcasters of Premier League games

newapollo 29-05-2020 00:06

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As per my earlier post #970 BT are offering their subscribers 50% off as a gesture of goodwill.

The bad news it doesn't appear that they will be offering any free to air games.
https://advanced-television.com/2020...sumes-june-17/

64 of the remaining fixtures will air on Sky Sports – with 25 of them being free-to-air, including Liverpool vs Everton on the first weekend of resumption. An additional 4 games will he show (sic) for free on BBC, whilst 4 games will also be streamed on Amazon Prime Video. The remaining games will be on BT Sport, who currently have no plans to make any games available for free.

jfman 29-05-2020 00:11

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I don't see why BT should make games available free to air. They bid, in good faith, on the EPL delivering a product. A product they now propose to dilute by putting further games to other broadcasters - both subscription and free to air.

Raider999 29-05-2020 08:48

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037552)
I only wondered because I thought the Premier league had said ALL games would be free to air?

---------- Post added at 22:33 ---------- Previous post was at 22:31 ----------



Virgin channel 165 I believe for Pick channel


No - it said all matches would be televised, some of them would be free to air.

BBC have 4 live matches, Sky are showing 25 matches free to air on Pick TV.

Thanks for the info re Pick - not sure how I missed that when flicking through the channels.

telegramsam 29-05-2020 11:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36037575)
I don't see why BT should make games available free to air. They bid, in good faith, on the EPL delivering a product. A product they now propose to dilute by putting further games to other broadcasters - both subscription and free to air.

I agree that BT,Sky and Amazon shouldn't have to offer any games free to all but as a good will gesture it would be nice of them. It's not like they will lose any money over it as I doubt very much people will be rushing to subscribe now the seasons are nearly over. Free to air gives a possible bigger audiance and possibly increase in advertising revenue. Another thing worth taking in mind is the lack of atmosphere due to no fans. Games often take on the look and feel of a friendly. My personal feeling is Bt,Sky and Amazon should take it on the chin and put all games out for free. Just my opinion guys.

1andrew1 29-05-2020 11:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36037575)
I don't see why BT should make games available free to air. They bid, in good faith, on the EPL delivering a product. A product they now propose to dilute by putting further games to other broadcasters - both subscription and free to air.

I think the government has leaned on them - country's morale, keep people at home instead of all congregating at a friend's who has a subscription.
In return, I believe they get to show more matches don't they?

Raider999 29-05-2020 12:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037607)
I think the government has leaned on them - country's morale, keep people at home instead of all congregating at a friend's who has a subscription.
In return, I believe they get to show more matches don't they?


I think all games being televised is because there will be no crowd.

The free to air option agreed by Sky is reasonable, not sure if BT are doing similar with their extra games (and if not why not?).

Not at all sure why Amazon are getting 4 extra games unless they will be freely available as they are not due any more games this season.

The BBC getting 4 games is obviously so anyone without access to sky/BT platforms can see some football.

cheekyangus 29-05-2020 12:23

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BT don't have a Free-To-Air channel anymore. Sky own Pick TV and it's been used for sports freebies in the past.

telegramsam 29-05-2020 15:29

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I've always thought it odd that BT haven't got a channel on Freeview anymore. Sky use their Pick channel well as a barker channel and I'm sure BT could do likewise if managed right.

Chad 29-05-2020 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36037618)
BT don't have a Free-To-Air channel anymore. Sky own Pick TV and it's been used for sports freebies in the past.

BT might just pop the odd game on their YouTube channel like they do with the Champions League and Europa League finals

cheekyangus 29-05-2020 17:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36037643)
BT might just pop the odd game on their YouTube channel like they do with the Champions League and Europa League finals

I'd forgotten about YouTube! :D

vincerooney 30-05-2020 00:10

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i thought amazon prime didnt have anymore games to broadcast this year other? They had a round on boxing day and new years day? So they're getting bonus games even though they havent "missed out" on any of their games? Seems odd. Would have been better to give more to the bbc.

I see premier sports is free for sky customers? Has it been mentioned it it will be for virgin media?

Raider999 30-05-2020 09:06

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36037710)
i thought amazon prime didnt have anymore games to broadcast this year other? They had a round on boxing day and new years day? So they're getting bonus games even though they havent "missed out" on any of their games? Seems odd. Would have been better to give more to the bbc.

I see premier sports is free for sky customers? Has it been mentioned it it will be for virgin media?


Agreed, as I stated elsewhere - unless BBC only wanted 4.

Not heard about Freesports being free on sky or VM. I will check my sky box later.

Chad 30-05-2020 11:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36037710)
i thought amazon prime didnt have anymore games to broadcast this year other? They had a round on boxing day and new years day? So they're getting bonus games even though they havent "missed out" on any of their games? Seems odd. Would have been better to give more to the bbc.

I see premier sports is free for sky customers? Has it been mentioned it it will be for virgin media?

From what I can gather it's LaLiga TV that is free for a month on Sky. You have to sign up to get the offer so I don't think the channel is being made available to everyone across the board. Essentially it's a months free trial.

cheekyangus 30-05-2020 13:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36037716)
Agreed, as I stated elsewhere - unless BBC only wanted 4.

Not heard about Freesports being free on sky or VM. I will check my sky box later.

Freesports is always free, hence the name. I'd imagine you meant their parent Premier Sports.

1andrew1 30-05-2020 13:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36037710)
i thought amazon prime didnt have anymore games to broadcast this year other? They had a round on boxing day and new years day? So they're getting bonus games even though they havent "missed out" on any of their games? Seems odd. Would have been better to give more to the bbc.

I see premier sports is free for sky customers? Has it been mentioned it it will be for virgin media?

There might be some kind of clause in their contract that awards Amazon more games if BT and Sky are awarded more.

telegramsam 30-05-2020 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037738)
There might be some kind of clause in their contract that awards Amazon more games if BT and Sky are awarded more.

Anyone know what games Amazon will get?

denphone 30-05-2020 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037742)
Anyone know what games Amazon will get?

Not currently.

Raider999 30-05-2020 15:12

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36037737)
Freesports is always free, hence the name. I'd imagine you meant their parent Premier Sports.

Yes, indeed - my apologies

telegramsam 30-05-2020 16:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36037743)
Not currently.

Ok guess we'l learn in due time. Not that I intend on sub to them to watch 4 soulless games.

Raider999 30-05-2020 20:24

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36037754)
Ok guess we'l learn in due time. Not that I intend on sub to them to watch 4 soulless games.

Agreed, there will be 88 other games to watch - not forgetting the fa cup and European comps (if they resume)

Interesting the fa cup 1/4 finals seem to be in June bearing in mind the EPL need to finish Asap to reduce repayments to broadcasters you would have thought it would have been after EPL had finished on successive weekend?

jfman 31-05-2020 08:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36037776)
Agreed, there will be 88 other games to watch - not forgetting the fa cup and European comps (if they resume)

Interesting the fa cup 1/4 finals seem to be in June bearing in mind the EPL need to finish Asap to reduce repayments to broadcasters you would have thought it would have been after EPL had finished on successive weekend?

Football has to market the overall product. At least those games have something at stake. Of the 92 EPL games I’d hazard a guess 70% of them will be the deadest of dead rubber. The minimum viable product to meet contractual obligations.

denphone 03-06-2020 12:33

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Amazon Prime Video will be showing four extra Premier League games this season free of charge.

https://twitter.com/primevideosport/...575104/photo/1

Chad 03-06-2020 14:14

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Spfl and Sky agree deal to allow Scottish clubs to stream home games live as part of a virtual season ticket

https://spfl.co.uk/news/scottish-pre...part-of-new-de

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52903945

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36038165)
Amazon Prime Video will be showing four extra Premier League games this season free of charge.

https://twitter.com/primevideosport/...575104/photo/1

Pressure on BT now to come up with a similar gesture. Will look poor if BBC, Sky and Amazon are making games free to view and they don't

telegramsam 03-06-2020 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36038165)
Amazon Prime Video will be showing four extra Premier League games this season free of charge.

https://twitter.com/primevideosport/...575104/photo/1

Good news

denphone 03-06-2020 14:17

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36038179)
Spfl and Sky agree deal to allow Scottish clubs to stream home games live as part of a virtual season ticket

https://spfl.co.uk/news/scottish-pre...part-of-new-de

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52903945

A useful income stream to have given the unprecedented financial circumstances for football clubs Chad.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36038179)
Pressure on BT now to come up with a similar gesture. Will look poor if BBC, Sky and Amazon are making games free to view and they don't

l agree Chad as lets see what they do in regards to the others making games free to view.

Raider999 03-06-2020 20:23

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36038179)
Spfl and Sky agree deal to allow Scottish clubs to stream home games live as part of a virtual season ticket

https://spfl.co.uk/news/scottish-pre...part-of-new-de

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52903945

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Pressure on BT now to come up with a similar gesture. Will look poor if BBC, Sky and Amazon are making games free to view and they don't


Strangely, they have said they won't make any of these 20 games free to air.

Interestingly, I believe they have agreed to pay Premier Rugby the full amount even if some/all games aren't played.

denphone 04-06-2020 20:35

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Leaked Premier League and FA Cup TV fixtures for the first 2 weeks.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...enham-arsenal/

Raider999 05-06-2020 11:26

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36038351)
Leaked Premier League and FA Cup TV fixtures for the first 2 weeks.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...enham-arsenal/

I'm not saying these won't be the confirmed fixtures, but the Sun is hardly a reliable source.

denphone 05-06-2020 11:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038430)
I'm not saying these won't be the confirmed fixtures, but the Sun is hardly a reliable source.

Is this better ;) as that was the only link l could find yesterday.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/05/premi...azon-12808749/

Raider999 05-06-2020 11:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36038432)
Is this better ;) as that was the only link l could find yesterday.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/05/premi...azon-12808749/


Not particularly, however PROVISIONAL fixtures for 17th June to 2nd July are in today's Telegraph

So it would seem they are highly likely to be correct.

Interestingly neither say which of Sky's games are free to air on Pick TV.

denphone 05-06-2020 21:26

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038434)
Not particularly, however PROVISIONAL fixtures for 17th June to 2nd July are in today's Telegraph

So it would seem they are highly likely to be correct.

Interestingly neither say which of Sky's games are free to air on Pick TV.

This confirms it.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1676010

Chad 05-06-2020 23:19

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Eurosport to show the Norwegian League live from 16th June
https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...89/story.shtml

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Bt sport to offer artificial crowd noise via red button on their behind closed doors Premiership coverage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...gue-games.html

cheekyangus 05-06-2020 23:38

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Sport On The Box has a Premier League schedule at the bottom of this page which has the Pick TV logo against selected matches. So looks like they found out from somewhere.
https://sport-onthebox.com/2020/05/2...s-tv-coverage/

Raider999 06-06-2020 12:17

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038561)
Sport On The Box has a Premier League schedule at the bottom of this page which has the Pick TV logo against selected matches. So looks like they found out from somewhere.
https://sport-onthebox.com/2020/05/2...s-tv-coverage/


Thanks for the link - 1 problem I have noticed with Pick TV is it isn't HD

Taf 06-06-2020 13:01

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Quote:

Now that live sports are kicking off again, your subscription is too. So, the credit on your next bill will be the last credit you receive, as we resume BT Sport coverage from 19th June 2020.

Your next bill will show your usual charge for your BT Sport subscription, with no credit applied. You’ll pay for BT Sport at the same price you were paying before the pause (unless you had a discount that’s since ended).
But I NEVER signed-up for a subscription! It was forced onto me (and many others who have no interest in sport of any kind)!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Raider999 06-06-2020 14:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36038597)
But I NEVER signed-up for a subscription! It was forced onto me (and many others who have no interest in sport of any kind)!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


It is a generic letter, presumably sent to all who applied for the pause of BT Sports subs.

Look at it another way, you benefitted from a rebate for BT Sports not being able to show sports you weren't interested in so you got a rebate for losing nothing;)

oxfordmark 06-06-2020 14:34

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Is it me or is the sound not synced?

Taf 06-06-2020 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999;36038602.
Look at it another way, you benefited from a rebate for BT Sports not being able to show sports you weren't interested in so you got a rebate for losing nothing;)

But now I will have to pay for something I have no interest in. :dozey:

OLD BOY 06-06-2020 19:46

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038591)
Thanks for the link - 1 problem I have noticed with Pick TV is it isn't HD

You didn't actually think that Sky would give away for free anything in HD, did you?

Raider999 06-06-2020 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36038629)
But now I will have to pay for something I have no interest in. :dozey:

Back to the status quo then.

I wasn't with VM before the deal to add BT Sports to the top TV pack.

Wasn't it added at no additional cost? If so you aren't paying anything for it and the refund for recent months was an unexpected bonus.

I am sure someone will correct me if my assumption was wrong.

OLD BOY 06-06-2020 19:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36038597)
But I NEVER signed-up for a subscription! It was forced onto me (and many others who have no interest in sport of any kind)!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Same here. I am on the maximum oomph, or whatever it's called but don't watch BT Sport or Sky Sports. I'm afraid that's the way it is. I don't watch many of the other channels, either!

Can you blame me for being attracted to the streamers, so that I don't have to subscribe to the ones that don't interest me? Far cheaper!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038637)
Back to the status quo then.

I wasn't with VM before the deal to add BT Sports to the top TV pack.

Wasn't it added at no additional cost? If so you aren't paying anything for it and the refund for recent months was an unexpected bonus.

I am sure someone will correct me if my assumption was wrong.

Those of us travelling through the space-time continuum would refer to this as an anomoly!

VM charged us no extra for giving us BT Sports, but now give us a discount when the channels cannot provide live sports. Very interesting!

Maybe we have travelled to a different dimension. Anyone have an alternative explanation?

Raider999 06-06-2020 20:31

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Although VM didn't charge extra for BT Sports, the unexpected discount for those on top package has identified the perceived cost of BT Sports.

Those who don't watch it now have an identifiable amount and an expectation of being able to obtain a discount for the future.

VM have obviously opened up a huge can of worms.

If they offer a discount (and remove BT Sports) for those on the top packages they are likely to also face calls for discounts from others who want unwatched channels removed (for instance children's, documentaries etc)

Is this going to be the end of packages as we know them?

cheekyangus 07-06-2020 08:29

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They already ended the old style TV packages with the introduction of MixIt and MaxIt, and the Personal Picks packs you add to the former.

Raider999 07-06-2020 09:50

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038689)
They already ended the old style TV packages with the introduction of MixIt and MaxIt, and the Personal Picks packs you add to the former.

I would like the option to pick the channels I want and not have to pay for a base package of channels that are mainly on freeview.

Itshim 07-06-2020 11:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36038629)
But now I will have to pay for something I have no interest in. :dozey:

Looked at this when BT sports was added to package then price went up .sold as free at the time. My answer ( as l had no interest it it) was to look at the package that did not offer it . Didn't miss was also taken off so went down that road .As virgin put in more channels on lower tiers ,I find that I keep moving down. Spending money on Netflix (before virgin added it) and Amazon both really because I wished to see one show on each. Still find shows on Netflix but not Amazon so that will go soon . You need to be proactive with your choices . Move down and use secondary suppliers for other channels/shows:)

1andrew1 07-06-2020 11:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038700)
I would like the option to pick the channels I want and not have to pay for a base package of channels that are mainly on freeview.

You can, just watch the channels you are interested in and not those you aren't. VM and Sky are able to buy such a wide range of channels at a far cheaper cost than you can do directly because the providers know people will only watch a few channels so charge VM a few pence for each channel.

Taf 07-06-2020 12:01

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038637)
Wasn't it added at no additional cost?

No, it was added with a price increase for all. No ifs or buts. I remember the email I got explaining the price increase to cover its addition.

I have responded to their email saying my "subscription" for BT Sports will resume, by saying that I do not want my "subscription" to restart, and expect the full price drop of £9.25 to continue.

The "office" was closed when I sent this, so I expect a reaction tomorrow when the "office" reopens.

cheekyangus 07-06-2020 12:14

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038700)
I would like the option to pick the channels I want and not have to pay for a base package of channels that are mainly on freeview.

The price would go up if you were able to pick individual pay channels. The price is kept down by packaging them into larger groups.

The Freeview-available channels don't get a cut of the subscription fee. The subscription also pays for rental/maintenance of the equipment, it's not all going toward channels.

Raider999 07-06-2020 12:49

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038710)
The price would go up if you were able to pick individual pay channels. The price is kept down by packaging them into larger groups.

The Freeview-available channels don't get a cut of the subscription fee. The subscription also pays for rental/maintenance of the equipment, it's not all going toward channels.

Whilst I understand the ideas that packaging channels into groups is cheaper than paying for individual channels, my beef is that I have to pay for these which are on the whole are free through other sources.

This applies to both Sky & VM - I just want to be able to subscribe to Sky Sports and BT Sports which doesn't seem possible.

Now we all know how much these are deemed to be worth (through the discounts applied) this really should be possible.

It is also unfair that HD costs more for sports when it is free for movies - but that is another beef.

Itshim 07-06-2020 16:22

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36038708)
No, it was added with a price increase for all. No ifs or buts. I remember the email I got explaining the price increase to cover its addition.

I have responded to their email saying my "subscription" for BT Sports will resume, by saying that I do not want my "subscription" to restart, and expect the full price drop of £9.25 to continue.

The "office" was closed when I sent this, so I expect a reaction tomorrow when the "office" reopens.

. Good luck with that. Really you wouldn't drop down if everyone whom did not want this add on did so perhaps virgin would get the message. By the way I pay £45* to virgin And £8 to Netflix using apps on smart TV & a code for now TV thanks to a friend i can see more channels thanican possibly watch * TV bb and phone line which is another thing I have no use for but that's another grip:shocked:.

OLD BOY 07-06-2020 17:09

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038710)
The price would go up if you were able to pick individual pay channels. The price is kept down by packaging them into larger groups.

The Freeview-available channels don't get a cut of the subscription fee. The subscription also pays for rental/maintenance of the equipment, it's not all going toward channels.

That assumes that you would select the same channels as you were currently getting.

When you analyse the channels you actually watch, there would be a huge number that you could dispense with.

In addition to the free terrestrial channels, I would only choose the half a dozen Sky HD channels, the documentary/nature channels, TLC HD and Quest Red (for my wife), Virgin UHD Channel and the Sky Cinema HD channels. You can't tell me there would not be a saving if I didn't have the Sky and BT sports channels or that huge number of remaining channels that I would no longer have access to.

At least with the streamers, you can pick those that offer you the stuff you actually want to see. Quite a big saving, too, compared with the cost of TV channels.

jfman 07-06-2020 18:33

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Streamers offer plenty of content you don't want to see. It's just bundled differently

Cheekyangus is fundamentally correct that the economies of scale from 13m or so basic subscriptions in the UK keeps prices down.

OLD BOY 07-06-2020 19:39

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36038764)
Streamers offer plenty of content you don't want to see. It's just bundled differently

Cheekyangus is fundamentally correct that the economies of scale from 13m or so basic subscriptions in the UK keeps prices down.

Netflix offers a huge choice of films, dramas, music and documentaries from which I choose what I prefer to watch for 12 quid! It is much better value for money, in my view.

As for cheeky's comment about economies of scale is concerned, I don't disagree. However, in the example I gave, there would be a very worthwhile saving. You would only pay more if you selected the same channels that we currently have and paid for each individually.

cheekyangus 07-06-2020 23:55

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We all have niche interests, whether it's sport, hobbies, drama, etc.

If you only buy the things you want your niche interests won't likely get enough money to exist. Niche things get subsidised by popular things by doing thing like bundling. Everyone loses out, even if it's indirectly.

In the world of TV we could all end up with mainstream, safe shows (or big popular sports only) because those that want to bring you the niche, interesting stuff (e.g. minority sports) can't raise the money to do it as the market is deemed too small. Everyone needs to fund stuff they don't want to help fund stuff they do want.

Someone might like football and show jumping (unlikely, but bear with me). Both might be expensive to cover, but clearly football is much more popular. If the market changed so much that the public need only pay for individual sports (e.g. football) rather than a general sports package, the equestrian element may no longer be viable as a televised sport as it is no longer cross subsidised by the likes of football that brings the subscribers.

Itshim 08-06-2020 10:50

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038816)
We all have niche interests, whether it's sport, hobbies, drama, etc.

If you only buy the things you want your niche interests won't likely get enough money to exist. Niche things get subsidised by popular things by doing thing like bundling. Everyone loses out, even if it's indirectly.

In the world of TV we could all end up with mainstream, safe shows (or big popular sports only) because those that want to bring you the niche, interesting stuff (e.g. minority sports) can't raise the money to do it as the market is deemed too small. Everyone needs to fund stuff they don't want to help fund stuff they do want.

Someone might like football and show jumping (unlikely, but bear with me). Both might be expensive to cover, but clearly football is much more popular. If the market changed so much that the public need only pay for individual sports (e.g. football) rather than a general sports package, the equestrian element may no longer be viable as a televised sport as it is no longer cross subsidised by the likes of football that brings the subscribers.

So you think that other people should help with your costs ? Perhaps we should all have to pay when near a show to cut the cost to those going in! I choose a lower package because I have not wish to pay for things I which I will never watch would love if virgin would make more channels bolt on and lower the basic charge. And yes put up if needed there costs . many of the channels that I still pay for I never look at unfortunately two or three that I do are not on freeview but as more and more offer streaming it is a root that I will no doubt use in the future. Yesterday I noted what I did use 23 minutes live TV the rest was streaming. :erm:

cheekyangus 08-06-2020 11:01

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So you think that other people should help with your costs ? Perhaps we should all have to pay when near a show to cut the cost to those going in!

No, I don't. And that wasn't what I was saying.

Raider999 08-06-2020 15:05

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038864)
No, I don't. And that wasn't what I was saying.

But that is what people have to do with the base channels which are mostly available elsewhere foc. And it's not like it is a minor charge either.

OLD BOY 08-06-2020 17:11

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36038816)
We all have niche interests, whether it's sport, hobbies, drama, etc.

If you only buy the things you want your niche interests won't likely get enough money to exist. Niche things get subsidised by popular things by doing thing like bundling. Everyone loses out, even if it's indirectly.

In the world of TV we could all end up with mainstream, safe shows (or big popular sports only) because those that want to bring you the niche, interesting stuff (e.g. minority sports) can't raise the money to do it as the market is deemed too small. Everyone needs to fund stuff they don't want to help fund stuff they do want.

Someone might like football and show jumping (unlikely, but bear with me). Both might be expensive to cover, but clearly football is much more popular. If the market changed so much that the public need only pay for individual sports (e.g. football) rather than a general sports package, the equestrian element may no longer be viable as a televised sport as it is no longer cross subsidised by the likes of football that brings the subscribers.

I understand the principle, cheeky, but if anyone wants to view content with minority appeal, they should jolly well pay extra for it. There are relatively few channels I watch these days and I resent paying for a plethora of rubbish channels like Blaze, and the sports channels that I never watch.

At least with streaming services, you can tailor the type of viewing you may be interested in.

If you look at Now TV, for example, you can have just the main entertainment channels, just the films or just the sports. That's how it should be.

muppetman11 08-06-2020 17:13

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36039004)
I understand the principle, cheeky, but if anyone wants to view content with minority appeal, they should jolly well pay extra for it. There are relatively few channels I watch these days and I resent paying for a plethora of rubbish channels like Blaze, and the sports channels that I never watch.

At least with streaming services, you can tailor the type of viewing you may be interested in.

You still banging on about streamers and the poor value that is traditional TV even though your on one of Virgins dearest TV packages go figure.:D

OLD BOY 08-06-2020 17:20

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36039005)
You still banging on about streamers and the poor value that is traditional TV even though your on one of Virgins dearest TV packages go figure.:D

I've explained that ad nauseum, muppetman. I have to have the full oomph to get those channels that I want and my wife is not confident enough to use the streamers on her own.

denphone 08-06-2020 17:27

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36039007)
I've explained that ad nauseum, muppetman. I have to have the full oomph to get those channels that I want and my wife is not confident enough to use the streamers on her own.

Funny how you conveniently use your wife as your excuse for keeping according to your own words your expensive Virgin package.:D

jfman 08-06-2020 17:50

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36038979)
But that is what people have to do with the base channels which are mostly available elsewhere foc. And it's not like it is a minor charge either.

But, as Cheekyangus correctly points out, the vast majority of these channels get pennies per subscriber absorbed across the subscriber base. With the vast majority of channels comfortably being “niche” - a fact supported by BARB ratings - then it would be very few channels viable at all without bundles. Those that did survive would have to recoup their advertising and subscription losses from the ~200,000 subscribers maximum any of them are likely to see.

Even at a reasonably paltry 5p per month per subscriber - over 12 million basic package subscriptions - £7.2 million per annum. For the 200,000 who might actually subscribe that leaves them having to stump up £3 a month each to match that.

It’d take a very small amount of “niche” content to suddenly find yourself paying more in the long run.

cheekyangus 08-06-2020 18:15

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36039004)
I understand the principle, cheeky, but if anyone wants to view content with minority appeal, they should jolly well pay extra for it.

I don't disagree in principle with what you say there OLD BOY, but I fear it won't work out in practice for many interests. One of my points is that minority content may not be viable to produce and therefore not exist at all, if, or mostly likely when, the present predominant funding models change.

An all access season pass for badminton (for example) at £7 a month may not get enough subscribers to continue. They may need it to be £7 to cover costs with the potential interested user numbers, but not enough of those may be willing to pay it, so it may need to be increased £15 with that number of willing subscribers, and then even less would be willing to pay it at that level, and so the end result is no badminton shown to anyone at all.

A similar model for tennis may work, simply because it's more popular and will cover costs, though not football level popular.

And tiddlywinks, well that's simply not got a chance as an individual subscription.

But they might all be viable on a multi-sport or multi-genre service, simply because it brings the economy of scale to make them all viable.

jfman 08-06-2020 18:28

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36039020)
I don't disagree in principle with what you say there OLD BOY, but I fear it won't work out in practice for many interests. One my points is that minority content may not be viable to produce and therefore not exist at all, if, or mostly likely when, the present predominant funding models change.

An all access season pass for badminton (for example) at £7 a month may not get enough subscribers to continue. They may need it to be £7 to cover costs with the potential interested user numbers, but not enough of those may be willing to pay it, so it may need to be increased £15 with that number of willing subscribers, and then even less would be willing to pay it at that level, and so the end result is no badminton shown to anyone at all.

A similar model for tennis may work, simply because it's more popular and will cover costs, though not football level popular.

And tiddlywinks, well that's simply not got a chance as an individual subscription.

But they might all be viable on a multi-sport or multi-genre service, simply because it brings the economy of scale to make them all viable.

I suspect Old Boy is simply trying to undermine the strength of traditional operators because they aren’t dying off for his streaming future.

vincerooney 11-06-2020 00:36

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My loyalty bonuses have fall off and i can't seem to email anyone to get a good phone call anymore from retentions (or whoever it was) since the change of executive away from the other guy and since virgin media have a limited staff on the phones im getting no joy getting through....

But to my question...any good virgin media offers on premier sports since its the first weekend back for la liga. think the monthly cost is 8 quid? since ive lost my loyalty discounts cant be arsed paying even more than the 100+ for everything im currently on. Any news on discounts for premier sports or in general? Emailing the chief exectutive and then getting a phone call direct used to be so useful.

newapollo 11-06-2020 10:36

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Hi Vince,
If phoning you should call at 8am to avoid call queues. I actually called around 4pm and the call was answered in 8 minutes. The guy on retentions was great to chat with, plus I received a discount of £30 on my current package.;)

You could try the text messaging service. Just send a text with a description of what you would like (regrade) to 07533 051809. Your message will go into a queue and a representative will respond to you as soon as possible. It may take a few days.

Unfortunately there are no offers on Premier Sports, but any discount on your normal price should offset that cost.

scollie 11-06-2020 16:00

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How do you get through to retentions nowadays?
There was a sequence of numbers to follow when dialing but I can't remember them and I believe this method may have changed.

Mad Max 11-06-2020 16:41

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Originally Posted by scollie (Post 36039417)
How do you get through to retentions nowadays?
There was a sequence of numbers to follow when dialing but I can't remember them and I believe this method may have changed.

0345-454-1111......I got through in a couple of minutes, spoke to a lass in Tyneside, got a good deal too as my contract was up in early July, she was rally good to deal with.

vincerooney 12-06-2020 01:29

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Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 36039339)
Hi Vince,
If phoning you should call at 8am to avoid call queues. I actually called around 4pm and the call was answered in 8 minutes. The guy on retentions was great to chat with, plus I received a discount of £30 on my current package.;)

You could try the text messaging service. Just send a text with a description of what you would like (regrade) to 07533 051809. Your message will go into a queue and a representative will respond to you as soon as possible. It may take a few days.

Unfortunately there are no offers on Premier Sports, but any discount on your normal price should offset that cost.

Cheers pal. gave them a text. ill see what happens. i hate being on the phone as i worked in a call centre for 7 years...its like PTSD

newapollo 12-06-2020 12:35

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36039516)
Cheers pal. gave them a text. ill see what happens. i hate being on the phone as i worked in a call centre for 7 years...its like PTSD

I know that feeling well, having worked in call centres for 2 different companies for 12 years. I do feel sorry for the call handlers, especially with the volume of calls, righting wrongs from overseas.

Listening and empathy were a must, sadly seems to be lacking nowadays.

I was often in trouble for not sticking to the script. I used to put myself in the callers shoes, think outside the box, and always tried to make it a one call solution. It was impossible to keep to time allowed on individual calls, sometimes the time "allowed" was taken just passing DPA.

I enjoyed being pulled of the calls, answering emails instead, however those times were few and far between as that "bonus" was due to availabilty.
I still hate being on the phone myself, even to family and friends.

vincerooney 13-06-2020 23:28

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Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 36039563)
I know that feeling well, having worked in call centres for 2 different companies for 12 years. I do feel sorry for the call handlers, especially with the volume of calls, righting wrongs from overseas.

Listening and empathy were a must, sadly seems to be lacking nowadays.

I was often in trouble for not sticking to the script. I used to put myself in the callers shoes, think outside the box, and always tried to make it a one call solution. It was impossible to keep to time allowed on individual calls, sometimes the time "allowed" was taken just passing DPA.

I enjoyed being pulled of the calls, answering emails instead, however those times were few and far between as that "bonus" was due to availabilty.
I still hate being on the phone myself, even to family and friends.

When i joined my call centre job i was trained on two different lines so had double the training....they completely stopped doing that with the next tranche of staff they hired. Had many angry callers at times who had been waiting over an hour to get through etc... we hired a few more staff a few years later on temporary contracts and i spent many months training them up only for those new members of staff to be given full time contracts and put on paperwork/emails etc which was a very cushy number! the reason why i wasnt allowed to escape the phone calls after so long? i was too experienced...so the people who'd been there less, still needed to be fully trained up got the better job...

I looked for a new job fairly quickly then!

To make my post "on topic" have to say i'm embrassed with the picture quality of the La Liga channel. For someone who watches a lot of football it seems we wont miss out on euro 2020 this year and the 3 or 4 games a day lifestyle since the calendar for the next 6 weeks looks even more jammed than ever!

denphone 16-06-2020 15:18

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Sky wins sports rights rebate after coronavirus hit.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...eid=3598503789

braysoj1 16-06-2020 20:49

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https://www.rxtvlog.com/2020/06/skys...x-pre.html?m=1

Hope it come to vm

denphone 16-06-2020 20:55

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Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 36040026)

l somehow doubt it for the moment.

OLD BOY 17-06-2020 09:08

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Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 36040026)

If you mean Pick HD, it will be on channel 165.

jfman 18-06-2020 23:41

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Will it? There’s been nothing regarding the HD version launching on Virgin. Article is more likely to be a typo.

cheekyangus 18-06-2020 23:59

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36040356)
Will it? There’s been nothing regarding the HD version launching on Virgin. Article is more likely to be a typo.

They switched the stream to a HD one just after midnight on 17th.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=812
I checked DigitalBitRate later that morning and it shows the old stream closed and a new stream with 1920x1080 resolution...i.e. HD.
https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...&sec=0&lang=en

The EPG channel name doesn't mention HD on any platform, so there has been speculation it's temporary for the duration of the live football.

OLD BOY 19-06-2020 19:56

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36040356)
Will it? There’s been nothing regarding the HD version launching on Virgin. Article is more likely to be a typo.

Since when do we get any advance notice of anything on VM? :D

jfman 19-06-2020 20:59

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Fair point.

ozsat 20-06-2020 03:47

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The new HD tranmission format of Pick is on VirginMedia now - this version carries the PICK dog. The full SD version does NOT carry the dog and is only on Sky and Freesat.

Apart from the football - every programme seems to be upscaled to HD and not HD source which may explain the missing HD in the channel name.

ncfc1902 20-06-2020 10:04

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There is a DOG showing on both the SD and HD versions of Pick on Sky & Freesat. VM has had the HD feed since Thursday.

ozsat 20-06-2020 13:06

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Before the football the 'non-football' feed had the dog removed.

It is only Sky and Freesat which have the non-football version.

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There is a DOG showing on both the SD and HD versions of Pick on Sky & Freesat. VM has had the HD feed since Thursday.



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