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Osem 30-12-2017 10:24
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35930337)
The rumour that l heard is that TM has already agreed to accept that the EU will have some control over the UK when we do eventually leave.

If l could have another vote tomorrow. Then l would change to remain. Its costing this country so much.

And Theresa May is three times worse than Thatcher. She wants her own way, and is determined to get it.

She will cave into what is demanded of her. And with that buffoon Boris. This country will slowly go down like a ship.

At the end of the day, this country needs trade with other countries. And l don't think she will get it until an agreement is made.
So she 'wants her own way and is determined to get it' but will 'cave in to what's demanded of her'... :spin:

Carth 30-12-2017 11:16
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35930363)
So she 'wants her own way and is determined to get it' but will 'cave in to what's demanded of her'... :spin:

I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .


:D

Osem 30-12-2017 11:25
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35930368)
I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .


:D
Yep, a bit like how the remain campaign raised queries about the legality of their opposition's pre-referendum spending when there seems to be a few questions about their own side's...

https://order-order.com/2017/12/29/r...ated-spending/

Let's not worry about that though... ;)


;)

arcimedes 30-12-2017 11:35
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35930368)
I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .


:D
Speaking of factual accuracy the original statement was made by a "leaver" who has now turned to the remain side.

1andrew1 30-12-2017 11:42
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35930372)
Speaking of factual accuracy the original statement was made by a "leaver" who has now turned to the remain side.
Indeed. More evidence - this time anecdotal - of a shift to remain - if people want to see it.

Carth 30-12-2017 12:04
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35930373)
Indeed. More evidence - this time anecdotal - of a shift to remain - if people want to see it.
people are free to change their mind about anything, but it doesn't change the result of the referendum.

It's not like deciding on a different pair of socks is it :D

Osem 30-12-2017 16:02
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35930381)
people are free to change their mind about anything, but it doesn't change the result of the referendum.

It's not like deciding on a different pair of socks is it :D
and how many people have 'anectdotally' changed their minds the other way I wonder but of course that doesn't matter. It's ironic how some people are only too happy to cite examples of changed minds when it suit their agenda. It's perfectly obvious that there are those amongst us who will say and do almost anything to try to get their way despite the referendum result. They even cite someone who accuses May of being on the one hand unwilling to listen to anyone else whilst readily acquiescing to what other people want. That's called clutching at straws I reckon... :D

heero_yuy 30-12-2017 16:13
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So despite feeling that the process is difficult and being handled badly, few appear to be changing their underlying views. Indeed, 54% of Leave voters agreed that “Brexit is a good idea in theory but is being badly executed”. The country is still split down the middle on the matter, with little sign of a decisive shift one way or another.
Source

So no actual shift in position, just some polling noise, despite some clutching at EU straws.

Osem 30-12-2017 16:19
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How should Brexit have been handled? It's never been done before and Labour have no credible policy towards it so how well would they have done? How many of the problems have been down to EU intransigence just as happened when Cameron tried to make them see sense? I'd like to know what May could have done about that other than give them whatever they asked for and then be condemned for so doing. People need to get real and accept that this process is tough and mistakes will be made on both sides but of course some people have no interest in accepting that the EU is responsible for any of the delays and problems.

TheDaddy 31-12-2017 09:18
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Say what you want about David Davis but he was spot on about referendums, if only people had listened things wouldn't be so messy now, all this dull bickering would stop and the future would be clearer, wonder if we'll all learn for next time

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/12/14...-is-a-plonker/

Didn't like the way they called him a hypocrite at the end of the article either, it can't be true anyway, someone would've exposed him by now if he were

1andrew1 31-12-2017 11:18
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35930409)
Source

So no actual shift in position, just some polling noise, despite some clutching at EU straws.
Posting out of date information is not so much clutching at straws but more like a drunk clutching at another drunk for support. :D
Subsequent polls show the shift to Remain and this has been mentioned by many people in this thread before.

But for convenience
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Including those who say they are undecided, BMG’s latest poll for the Independent puts Remain on 51%, Leave on 41% and those who are undecided on 7% (1% preferred not to give a response)...
This time last year BMG had Leave polling some 3 points ahead, and the last time BMG has polled Leave ahead of Remain was in February 2017. Since then there appears to have been a slow but consistent shift in top-line public opinion towards remaining in the EU.
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/indepen...tion-tensions/

Carth 31-12-2017 15:17
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Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample :D

1andrew1 31-12-2017 16:55
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35930477)
Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample :D
BMG says it is a representative sample and I suspect BMG knows more about this than you and me. Pesky polling experts!
For copyright reasons, I can't post the whole article but unlike you I've posted a link so the article can be read in full.

Osem 31-12-2017 17:20
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35930477)
Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample :D
It's not strange at all, it's what desperate folks do to try to overturn a clear result. IIRC c. 1.3 million more people voted to leave than remain. It's going to take more than an anecdotal change of mind by Arthur or [removed by Mod - warning posted later in thread] clutching at the usual highly selective straws to negate that.

I'm still waiting to hear from Grimupnorth as to why I could possibly think be might have voted against Brexit but perhaps he's busy...

ianch99 31-12-2017 18:25
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35930485)
removed by Mod - warning posted later in thread
I thought there was a policy here on pathetic name calling?


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