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Damien 08-01-2014 15:50

Re: Riots
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35661141)
So what can the family do now?

Judicial Review maybe?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35661138)
If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Ancient wisdom that still has resonance today. Duggan may not have been in possession of a gun at the fatal moment, but he put himself at risk of exactly this end by way he conducted his life.

I hope the liberal hand-wringers and professional agitators will drop it now this verdict is in - a verdict by a jury, let us not forget, not a coroner deciding alone.

But I doubt it.

Although the main reason it won't drop is because this is the worst possible verdict for drawing a line under the case. They found he didn't aim a gun or have it on him at the time police confronted him but did agree he had a gun and the police believed him to still be in possession of that gun. Everyone is going to believe they're right here. The 'hand-wringers' will point to his lack of possession of the weapon at the time of the shooting whilst others will point to the police believing he had a gun on him at the time and the fact he had a gun in the first place.

martyh 08-01-2014 15:53

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35661141)
So what can the family do now?

accept that their son was a scroat and give the rest of us a break

Gary L 08-01-2014 15:55

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35661131)
Riots part 2 tonight....

:sleep:

Just needs a few, and the rest will have to follow.

I was gonna go out later to get some sugar too.

thenry 08-01-2014 15:56

Re: Riots
 
'F the Police' and destroy the High Court. yup this is definitely going to go away.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35661138)
If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Ancient wisdom that still has resonance today.

:tu:

Chris 08-01-2014 15:59

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35661142)
Judicial Review maybe?

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Although the main reason it won't drop is because this is the worst possible verdict for drawing a line under the case. They found he didn't aim a gun or have it on him at the time police confronted him but did agree he had a gun and the police believed him to still be in possession of that gun. Everyone is going to believe they're right here. The 'hand-wringers' will point to his lack of possession of the weapon at the time of the shooting whilst others will point to the police believing he had a gun on him at the time and the fact he had a gun in the first place.

Oh I know they won't drop it. But I can hope. The main thing to bear in mind here is that the jury's job was to weigh up precisely these arguments and this is the conclusion they have come to. A properly directed jury, fairly exposed to relevant evidence, cannot be wrong. That's just how it is. If anyone wants a judicial review they are going to have to show some evidence that the process was not fair. They cannot secure a review by simply asserting that the jury was wrong.

Russ 08-01-2014 16:00

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35661156)
'F the Police'

I thought that's what I could hear on the BBC news report :erm:

Chris 08-01-2014 16:01

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35661154)
:sleep:

Just needs a few, and the rest will have to follow.

I was gonna go out later to get some sugar too.

You still can. Were you planning to pay for it?

thenry 08-01-2014 16:01

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35661131)
Riots part 2 tonight....

ah yes.. more of this please http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

:rolleyes: :mad:

Damien 08-01-2014 16:01

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35661153)
accept that their son was a scroat and give the rest of us a break

The verdict was presumably based on the fact the Jury decided that the officer honestly believed Duggan was armed and was going to shoot when they shot him. The decision was not based on Duggan being a 'scroat' or being an alleged criminal as the latter is not a reason to shoot someone.

martyh 08-01-2014 16:08

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35661166)
The verdict was presumably based on the fact the Jury decided that the officer honestly believed Duggan was armed and was going to shoot when they shot him. The decision was not based on Duggan being a 'scroat' or being an alleged criminal as the latter is not a reason to shoot someone.

my reply was in answer to the question of "what can the family do now" not how did the jury arrive at their decision ,i stand by my answer

Hugh 08-01-2014 16:16

Re: Riots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35661131)
Riots part 2 tonight....

Depends if it's raining or not.....

Russ 08-01-2014 16:17

Re: Riots
 
True - chavs and plastic gangstas don't like the rain.

Maggy 09-01-2014 14:57

Re: Riots
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25363828

This is what some people just don't want to hear and frankly I fail to see how the verdict could have gone any other way.

Derek 25-03-2015 08:04

Re: Riots
 
Just in case anyone missed this.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32041119

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The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) found the operation targeting Mr Duggan was "appropriate".
Its three-and-a-half-year investigation cleared the Metropolitan Police of any wrongdoing.
3 1/2 years for an investigation and no recommendation at the end for the IPCC not to give misleading info to the media after an incident.

Chris 25-03-2015 08:17

Re: Riots in Tottenham
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35284526)
The way the comments are going, its looking that way.

I am all for the police doing there job by any means possible, water cannon the lot, if it brings peace to the area.

Look what I found buried in the depths of this thread, from 2011.

Funny how Arthur changed his mind about water cannon as soon as the evil Tory Boris did as Arthur asked and bought some.


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