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RichardCoulter 04-09-2025 17:26

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36202147)
"reasonable adjustments"…

Here are some examples

https://www.centralbedfordshire.gov....or%20decisions




Completely redesigning a system/website because someone insists on not having help to take a photo would not be a reasonable adjustment…

Two opposing views and interpretations of the law, which is why I think it will be interesting to see the outcome if he decides to make things legal.

As per Ofcom, there should be ways of meeting his needs (without completely redesigning a system).

Carth 04-09-2025 21:26

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
Leave it out Richard.

He's been blind since birth, moved to the UK (with family) many years ago, went through university, gained employment as a lawyer and has risen from basically a nobody to where he is now.

I'd suggest that during all that time he's faced much harder trials than the issue he's moaning about now.

Jumping on the band wagon for some fame and fortune in my opinion.

RichardCoulter 17-09-2025 01:52

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
Been told that Ofcom are to survey children from aged 8 upwards to find out which websites they use and if they have been asked to verify their age.

I had assumed that this would be more reactive than proactive.

peanut 17-09-2025 08:11

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36202838)
Been told that Ofcom are to survey children from aged 8 upwards to find out which websites they use and if they have been asked to verify their age.

I had assumed that this would be more reactive than proactive.

What a joke and a waste of time.

No point in asking 13-15 year olds as if they'd tell you the truth to what sites they visit..

tweetiepooh 17-09-2025 10:13

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36202839)
What a joke and a waste of time.

No point in asking 13-15 year olds as if they'd tell you the truth to what sites they visit..

For some, if they could cause mischief ...

Carth 17-09-2025 12:05

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36202838)
Been told that Ofcom are to survey children from aged 8 upwards to find out which websites they use and if they have been asked to verify their age.

I had assumed that this would be more reactive than proactive.

That sounds like an interesting project, I wonder how they're going to manage it?

I can't imagine an Ofcom employee standing outside schools questioning the kids as they arrive, that could end up as rather embarrassing.

Email questionnaire maybe? Nah, I can't see kids of that age bothering with email addresses, and those that do would probably hit delete without reading.

However it's conducted would have to be on an individual basis too, no point asking a room full of kids if they've recently tried to watch porn or access a website selling knives is it.

I wonder if it will fall once again into the hands of teachers, taking time out of the ridiculous notion of actually educating children in order to have 1 on 1 sessions with them to create yet another statistical database used to create even more 'safeguarding' initiatives.

I'm surprised all kids aged 8 to 15 aren't now so confused by it all that they spend time on street corners drinking white lightening

Paul 17-09-2025 14:21

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36202838)
I had assumed that this would be more reactive than proactive.

I expect they have to "justify" their existance somehow, so what better way that pointless surveys. :rolleyes:

RichardCoulter 17-09-2025 17:06

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36202845)
That sounds like an interesting project, I wonder how they're going to manage it?

I can't imagine an Ofcom employee standing outside schools questioning the kids as they arrive, that could end up as rather embarrassing.

Email questionnaire maybe? Nah, I can't see kids of that age bothering with email addresses, and those that do would probably hit delete without reading.

However it's conducted would have to be on an individual basis too, no point asking a room full of kids if they've recently tried to watch porn or access a website selling knives is it.

I wonder if it will fall once again into the hands of teachers, taking time out of the ridiculous notion of actually educating children in order to have 1 on 1 sessions with them to create yet another statistical database used to create even more 'safeguarding' initiatives.

I'm surprised all kids aged 8 to 15 aren't now so confused by it all that they spend time on street corners drinking white lightening

I've asked and it will be done via online invites to parents as parents have to give consent for children to take the surveys (which they will take on their own).

It won't actually be focusing on over 18 sites, but on user to user generated content sites.

RichardCoulter 25-09-2025 18:07

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36202864)
I've asked and it will be done via online invites to parents as parents have to give consent for children to take the surveys (which they will take on their own).

It won't actually be focusing on over 18 sites, but on user to user generated content sites.

Surveys are also being sent out to those aged 18 and over to find out if adults are being age verified on various sites.

Tomorrow the Prime Minister will announce that every adult will be required to hold a digital ID. This will show whether they are 18 or over and whether they are entitled to work or not.

RichardCoulter 28-09-2025 12:00

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36202090)
The first 7 minutes of this programme features lawyer Matt Johnson who believes that the way in which some websites are implementing the age verification part of the Online Safety Act (OSA) is discriminatory towards visually impaired users (the final 13 minutes of the programme covers the requirement of websites to have policies in place to deal with illegal or harmful content pertaining to the disabled etc).

He is also unhappy that anyone who is critical of the age verification part of the OSA is regarded as someone who simply wants to access erotica when it is, in fact, now required to access some forum discussions:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002htvr

This week's programme for the sight impaired offers some help to those who are having difficulty verifying their age:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002jsqx

RichardCoulter 30-09-2025 13:58

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
From today Ofcom is able to issue a 'Preserve data notice' to websites. This is to prevent data from being deleted and lost.

This will be invaluable for cases where children have lost their lives and websites are believed to have contributed to or caused this, but the sites either refuse to hand over the data to delay matters or say that it's been deleted.

nffc 30-09-2025 14:01

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
The OSA is also now responsible for imgur not being available in the UK (without using you know what).

Stephen 30-09-2025 14:28

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36203717)
The OSA is also now responsible for imgur not being available in the UK (without using you know what).

That is frankly ridiculous I used the site every so often to host images I posted on certain forums I visit.

nffc 30-09-2025 15:02

Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36203722)
That is frankly ridiculous I used the site every so often to host images I posted on certain forums I visit.

Tbf they are very much in scope as users post images for other users and that is high risk in itself. So they need to be age verifying UK users and have probably been caught not doing so, and so just chose to block UK ISPs rather than complying.


Other sites presumably exist but the annoying thing is this happened with basically no notice, so people who had done that couldn't make other arrangements.

Paul 30-09-2025 15:08

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Yet another (predictable) consequence of this ridiculously stupid law.
You can bet more will follow suit, the UK will slowly become internet isolated.


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