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Chris 19-10-2019 12:33
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At the moment there appears to be the first slivers of doubt that the Letwin amendment will pass. If it doesn’t, then we will get the substantive vote later today. If the Letwin amendment is passed, word from the whips is that Boris will simply call off the main vote, and start afresh next week.

papa smurf 19-10-2019 12:37
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[QUOTE=Chris;36014393]At the moment there appears to be the first slivers of doubt that the Letwin amendment will pass. If it doesn’t, then we will get the substantive vote later today. If the Letwin amendment is passed, word from the whips is that Boris will simply call off the main vote, and start afresh next week.[/QUOTE]

As reported here in the times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...vote-8bk8l9g7w

Damien 19-10-2019 12:48
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I think this is a trick. Vote though the bill, then vote down the subsequent legislation.

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Anyway happy SUPER SATURDAY everyone. Can’t wait for the highlights

Damien 19-10-2019 14:52
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Letwin bill passes.

I don’t like the constant brinkmanship tbh. I think Parliament needs to vote for a deal or vote for a referendum on the deal or an election. This can’t go on.

denphone 19-10-2019 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36014402)
Letwin bill passes.

I don’t like the constant brinkmanship tbh. I think Parliament needs to vote for a deal or vote for a referendum on the deal or an election. This can’t go on.
Boris Johnson's reply.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bour-live-news

Quote:
A defiant Boris Johnson has said he will not negotiate a fresh Brexit delay with the EU despite losing a key Commons vote.

Quote:
"I will not negotiate a delay with the EU, neither does the law compel me to do so," he said.

Damien 19-10-2019 15:37
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Interestingly we know the minimum votes this deal has is 306. We also know a handful of those who voted for the Letwin amendment will vote for the deal, they were the ones who genuinely distrusting of Johnson, so an actual deal might be close?

Although I think some within the ERG were planning to vote for the deal then vote against the rest to get No Deal so,..

denphone 19-10-2019 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36014404)
Interestingly we know the minimum votes this deal has is 306. We also know a handful of those who voted for the Letwin amendment will vote for the deal, they were the ones who genuinely distrusting of Johnson, so an actual deal might be close?

Although I think some within the ERG were planning to vote for the deal then vote against the rest to get No Deal so,..
This is how the MP's voted.

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com...byMember=false

jfman 19-10-2019 18:44
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Get on with it.

OLD BOY 19-10-2019 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36014404)
Interestingly we know the minimum votes this deal has is 306. We also know a handful of those who voted for the Letwin amendment will vote for the deal, they were the ones who genuinely distrusting of Johnson, so an actual deal might be close?

Although I think some within the ERG were planning to vote for the deal then vote against the rest to get No Deal so,..
Amongst those who voted for the Letwin amendment are MPs who will vote with the Government for Boris's deal. These include the renegade Conservative MPs who have had the whip removed and a handful of Labour MPs, which should just about get the Withdrawal Bill over the line.

I will be very interested to see how Boris will avoid the provisions of the Surrender Bill. That's going to be very interesting, although he actually said that the Benn bill does not require him to 'negotiate' a delay.

So maybe he will present the letter together with additional documentation to indicate the Government's position on the matter and not follow it up. The EU will be aware already that the Government has no intention of nominating a commissioner, which will gum up the works, as well as other plans to disrupt the EU if they choose to grant the extension.

Despite the best efforts of his detractors, I think Boris has won. We leave on 31 October.

You heard it here first. Well, -ish.:D

Mr K 19-10-2019 21:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36014422)
Amongst those who voted for the Letwin amendment are MPs who will vote with the Government for Boris's deal. These include the renegade Conservative MPs who have had the whip removed and a handful of Labour MPs, which should just about get the Withdrawal Bill over the line.

I will be very interested to see how Boris will avoid the provisions of the Surrender Bill. That's going to be very interesting, although he actually said that the Benn bill does not require him to 'negotiate' a delay.

So maybe he will present the letter together with additional documentation to indicate the Government's position on the matter and not follow it up. The EU will be aware already that the Government has no intention of nominating a commissioner, which will gum up the works, as well as other plans to disrupt the EU if they choose to grant the extension.

Despite the best efforts of his detractors, I think Boris has won. We leave on 31 October.

You heard it here first. Well, -ish.:D
He didn't seem like much of a winner, he could be in jail this time next week ! ;)

If he is trying to 'win', you can be sure it's only for himself. A very disunited kingdom will be the result, in which we'll all end up poorer.

Pierre 19-10-2019 21:51
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Just make it end.

We’ve gone through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole, Narnia would be a blessed relief. We are now living within a Salvador Dali painting.

Mr K 19-10-2019 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36014438)
Just make it end.

We’ve gone through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole, Narnia would be a blessed relief. We are now living within a Salvador Dali painting.
Thing is, it won't be the end will it ? This was meant to be the easy bit, the next bit, agreeing a trade deal, could drag on for years. Enjoy, I'm sure it's all worth it !

Sephiroth 19-10-2019 22:11
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Have a read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50112924

Pierre 19-10-2019 22:18
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
This is better Han any recent box set I have downloaded.

PM sends unsigned letter, accompanied with another letter telling them not to grant an extension.

Putting the EU in a very awkward position. They have a generic letter from no-one asking for a delay, and s signed letter from a member state’s leader asking them not to acquiesce to the former non-personalised letter.

Mr K 19-10-2019 22:22
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36014440)
They'll grant a delay anyway signed, or not. The courts will not be amused with his antics.


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