Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35832780)

I think you're going to be in for a shock when the world doesn't roll over to our demands. The idea all these Eurocrats people have been telling us for years are working against our interests will suddenly be willing to help us out is a bit of an illusions. I think we'll get a deal but it will be worse than what we have now especially if we don't have freedom of movement in there.

1. Many countries in the EU do not have a trade surplus with us and they all have to vote Yes for a deal to be done
2. If Britain gets a better deal out of the EU than inside it then everybody will be doing it
3. Dublin, Berlin and Paris will all be looking to steal some of our services sector

We have full access to the single market at the moment. That will probably be restricted and that alone can hit the economy.

Siemens and BMW have also said that the single market helps their sectors: http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2016/ma...nst-brexit.cfm

Originally Posted by Big Brian (Post 35832860)

What we lose in trade with the EU can more than likely be made up in trade with non-EU Countries. Though your argument is fair it is not a reason for anyone to change their vote.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35832786)

Yikes. During today we've gone from 55% of our imports coming from the EU to 75%.

Given there are no tariffs on services it's pretty good that our exports to them are largely these, so that's comforting.

They can't arbitrarily slap tariffs on us. We would default to Most Favoured Nation status within the WTO. We'd be subject, at worst, to the same Common Customs Tariff as everywhere else.

Obviously with 2 years of negotiation before exit we'd have ample opportunity for our market to begin to work with suppliers outside the EU. Outside of the CCT there wouldn't be large tariffs being placed on goods like foods and solar panels in order to protect French farmers or German manufacturers.

It's really not as simple as doom and gloom, neither would it be a smooth and painless transition. It's not beyond the wit of man to get it done.

EDIT: All this said I should mention that if people think we're not going to negotiate free movement or something basically indistinguishable from it post-Brexit as part of a deal you're mental. It's not about that for me and I'm fine with it.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35832829)

Bored of it all.

Also, being fairly politically engaged as I am, I don't want to listen to politicians that most likely know less about all the issues than I do.

I don't understand why people think politicians somehow are experts on this, they're not.

Ignore the politicians, seek out the facts away from the " official" campaigns.

I'm still 50/50.

Nothing either campaign puts out will affect my decision.

Originally Posted by Big Brian (Post 35832869)

The Single Market is NOT that important. Vote Leave:

Britain's main export market is no longer the EU

Britain is exporting more goods to countries outside the European Union than to countries inside for the first time since the UK joined the Common Market in the 1970s, official statistics show. And this comes from what I call The Torygraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...er-the-EU.html

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I listen to what they have to say and sometimes it makes my day. Most of them should change career and become stand-up comics but they do not and never have influenced my vote. Like you I consider myself politically savvy since the age of 16 and make my own mind up. The Single Market in my honest opinion is not a good enough reason to vote to stay in the EU. See my post from the Telegraph. I scour the net looking for facts to back up my statements on here unlike some who seem to spout the same garbage the In or Out Campaigns feed them. I agree wholeheartedly with you on this.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35832862)

just had a little tot up of what ive got around me .

car-korean
motorcycle- japanese
liquide fuel heating - china
smart phone-china
pc -china
tv- china
oven i,m cooking the chicken in -china
solid fuel stove-russia

and on and on and on .

every thing for lunch is from Lincolnshire with the exception of the broccoli which is from spain .

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35832872)

Your Telegraph link is from nearly 4 years ago, for March-May 2012.

Here are some more recent stats, which support your premise.

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...n-EU_Data.aspx

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35832891)

TTIP, or at least true understanding of the secret negotiations that are going on between the USA and EU mandarins, would really put a spanner in the works of the pro-EU groups.

The biggest threat to us in the UK since all-out war. And a big reason why the USA wants us to stay part of the EU.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35832891)

TTIP, or at least true understanding of the secret negotiations that are going on between the USA and EU mandarins, would really put a spanner in the works of the pro-EU groups.

The biggest threat to us in the UK since all-out war. And a big reason why the USA wants us to stay part of the EU.

Originally Posted by Big Brian (Post 35832869)

The Single Market is NOT that important. Vote Leave:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35833014)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-votes-to-l/
Billions of cuts to the NHS and schools as punishment if you don't vote the right way warns George. Sounds right up his street, not sure why he isn't pro- Brexit....

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35833014)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-votes-to-l/
Billions of cuts to the NHS and schools as punishment if you don't vote the right way warns George. Sounds right up his street, not sure why he isn't pro- Brexit....

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35833014)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-votes-to-l/
Billions of cuts to the NHS and schools as punishment if you don't vote the right way warns George. Sounds right up his street, not sure why he isn't pro- Brexit....