Cable Forum - Unstoppable migration?

The first boats carrying migrants being deported from Greece have arrived in Turkey as part of an EU plan aimed at easing mass migration to Europe.

Most of the 202 people who left Lesbos and Chios, and arrived at Dikili in western Turkey, are Pakistanis.

Under the deal, for each Syrian migrant returned to Turkey, the EU is due to take in another Syrian who has made a legitimate request.

Thirty-two Syrian migrants were the first to arrive in Germany from Turkey.

They were flown to Hanover in Lower Saxony, officials say.

The Greek authorities say 130 of those returned to Turkey on Monday were from Pakistan. There were 42 migrants from Afghanistan and others from Iran, Sri Lanka and Morocco, as well as several other countries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35956836

It's going to get a lot harder methinks.

Ramrod

06-04-2016 15:40

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EU Border Agency: 1.8m+ Illegal Migrants in 2015, ‘Staggering’ Number Of Jihadis'

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The European Union’s own border agency, Frontex, had admitted that it has no way of knowing the true number of illegal immigrants crossing the continent as it has no means to track them. It concedes that a “staggering number” of jihadis have taken advantage of the situation to enter Europe.

:rolleyes:

Osem	06-04-2016 16:34

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35831055)

EU Border Agency: 1.8m+ Illegal Migrants in 2015, ‘Staggering’ Number Of Jihadis'
:rolleyes:

Many of us knew this all along of course. They have no idea who's in the EU or the UK for that matter and all the guff about robust borders is just that - guff.

Not only have they tried to hide their ineptitude, they've persistently deceived the public about the scale of the problem and are still at it for the most part. You only have to listen to May praising our border controls against the backdrop of lorry loads of migrants being discovered at motorway service stations all over the place to know that our borders are porous and they don't really have to will to do anything about it. Far easier to talk tough using weasel words...

The damage in the EU is done, the only question is how much has been done and how much more they will effectively allow to happen. If they continue to convey the message that the EU will accept anyone who claims to be fleeing war, abuse, persecution etc. then we shouldn't be surprised in many more migrants follow and the problems of integration, social unrest, criminality etc. that we've already seen escalate.

Osem	07-04-2016 16:18

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He is the French economist who shot to international fame following his 2013 book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, which dealt with inequality in the modern world.

Now Thomas Piketty has launched a new crusade - an attempt to change the debate on mass immigration, which he describes as an economic good.

In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC, the chairman of the Paris School of Economics and visiting professor at the London School of Economics told me the European Union would benefit from a major increase in the inflow of people from the rest of the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35982528

It may be an 'economic good' for some places but how does he intend to ensure that these migrants go where they're needed as opposed to pitching up on our doorstep where the minimum wages are higher and the benefits better? How do we prevent them adding further to the crippling demands imposed on the UK by legal net immigration running at over 1m every 3 years?

What about the numerous serious non-economic realities of rapid mass migration which we're seeing all over Europe? What social and other costs are attached to those?

Taf	07-04-2016 17:49

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Male Norwegian politician raped by asylum seeker says he feels GUILTY that his attacker will now be deported because the man might suffer back in Somalia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-Somalia.htm

roughbeast

07-04-2016 18:12

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Most net immigration, 208,000, is from outside the EU. The EU is 187,000. Within both figures are very many students, much needed skilled workers and dependents of folk already here. The only group to have a negative effect on UK wages are those agricultural workers that the government has allowed unscrupulous bosses to pay less than the minimum wage.

Why did they do this? 1. To keep food prices down, 2. For the same reason they have allowed immigration to remain high. i.e. to create demand in the economy, to boost business start ups and to increase tax revenue. Indeed without high immigration we may still be in recession.

The disgusting thing about this that whilst the government has encouraged high immigration, its rhetoric has been in the opposite direction. (They lied to us and kidded us that austerity was saving the economy.) Just as bad is the fact that the didn't invest their increased tax receipts into help those areas hit hardest by immigration

Solution? 1. Enforce the minimum wage / living wage so that indigenous workers take up agricultural industry jobs currently being filled by cheap labour 2. Build an economy that is less dependent on immigration by a) Borrowing to invest education and skills training, infrastructure, science and technology and particularly in green technology.

Austerity holds the economy back and just gives an excuse for shrinking the state and for selling state services off to Tory mates.

Asylum seekers and refugees are an issue nothing to do with the EU, but having to be managed by the EU. Out of the EU there would still be our international obligation to support and take asylum seekers and refugees.

Because we are not in the Schengen area and because we have proper border controls we are able to stop known undesirables entering. If we invested more, not less , in border controls there would be far less illegals entering. That is a government problem, not an EU problem.

richard s

07-04-2016 20:56

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I think our boder controls are working!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-sharply.html

heero_yuy

08-04-2016 09:43

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Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35831289)

Because we are not in the Schengen area and because we have proper border controls we are able to stop known undesirables entering. If we invested more, not less , in border controls there would be far less illegals entering. That is a government problem, not an EU problem.

Except that we cannot apply visa requirements on any EU national, one of the first weapons in controlling who is allowed to come here. If someone arrives with an EU passport we are obliged to permit entry and with these being passed out like confetti in Germany any undesirable can come here.

roughbeast

08-04-2016 10:10

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35831387)

Citation required.

Meanwhile, I have to provide you with some facts that completely blows UKIP's Project Fear on our border control.

The current situation in Germany is that refugees who are accepted at the the border only get temporary citizenship. If, after 3 to 5 years after having to renew their citizenship annually, they have jobs and living a normal life they will be eligble to apply for permanent residency.

"Long-term residency is not enough to secure free movement rights

If refugees end up staying in Europe permanently they can acquire long-term resident status – subject to meeting certain conditions – as per the 2003 EU Directive on the status of non-EU nationals who are long-term residents. This gives them the same rights as that of EU member state’s nationals in certain areas, although it does not bestow an absolute right to free movement on par with EU nationals.

In any event, the UK, along with Ireland and Denmark, are exempt from this directive. This means that the UK does not have to allow non-EU nationals who are long-term residents of other member state into the UK if it does not want to. If it does allow them entry to the UK it is on the same basis as other non-EU nationals, i.e. meeting any relevant skills and income criteria. Therefore, the UK already has additional controls over immigration policy compared to other EU member states.http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/eu-migration-crisis-will-refugees-acquire-full-free-movement-rights"

http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/...vement-rights/

heero_yuy

08-04-2016 10:48

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Covered under EU Freedom of movement

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Current member states of the European Union are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

Member states' citizens enjoy freedom of movement in each other's territories. British citizens who are not nationals of the United Kingdom for the purposes of union law, however, are exempted.

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roughbeast

08-04-2016 12:02

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35831400)

Covered under EU Freedom of movement

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We all know the status of freedom of movement in Europe, but, you were talking about the imminent arrival or hordes of Syrian and Iraqi refugees from Germany. My correct information completely dissed you scare story.

Osem	08-04-2016 14:03

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Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35831408)

Imminent or not, the fact remains that we can't stop EU migration and that includes any refugees who're given ultimately given asylum. I don't know about you but I don't take much comfort from delaying the inevitable and with the numbers arriving in Greece still huge, how long do you think it'll be before new fast track measures are put in place to disperse them? If we're still inside the EU and bound by the free movement rules we can't do anything about that.

Ramrod

09-04-2016 15:03

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I think that this womans efforts need publicizing in light of the EUs efforts to import millions of muslims: Feminists Need To Know — Islam Kills Women

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As well as producing articles from various writers and information packs and videos, I will challenge every feminist organisation in Britain to debate me, so that they can attempt to prove me wrong. When they realise that they cannot do this, I invite them to stand alongside me at the culmination of this campaign – a protest rally to be held outside Parliament on August 20th.

Taf	09-04-2016 15:27

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35831619)

I think that this womans efforts need publicizing in light of the EUs efforts to import millions of muslims: Feminists Need To Know — Islam Kills Women

Pat Condell has commented on this very subject on Youtube recently.

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