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Damien 04-12-2013 06:21

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35652113)
So a witness several floors up, whose first instinct was to make money from the footage by selling it, initially says it was a gun then changes his mind to it being a phone AFTER reading newspaper reports and admits in court he hates the Police is classed as credible when he says Duggan was executed???

He is just a witness. These points were brought up when he was being questioned so I guess they can decide his credibility. He is only one witness among many so I doubt his word is being taken as gospel.

Chris 04-12-2013 08:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35652113)
So a witness several floors up, whose first instinct was to make money from the footage by selling it, initially says it was a gun then changes his mind to it being a phone AFTER reading newspaper reports and admits in court he hates the Police is classed as credible when he says Duggan was executed???

The jury will decide if he's credible. At the moment he's simply a witness. TBH I think it's obvious from a mile off that he has an axe to grind.

Derek 04-12-2013 09:50

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35652122)
The jury will decide if he's credible. At the moment he's simply a witness. TBH I think it's obvious from a mile off that he has an axe to grind.

I know but from reading the media coverage most of them skim over his more ludicrous claims. :mad:

Derek 08-01-2014 14:08

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Helmets at the ready...

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@BBCBreaking: Jury to deliver its conclusion on death of Mark #Duggan at 15:30 GMT http://t.co/V0ncf0G3IN

Damien 08-01-2014 14:42

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To get a verdict of unlawful killing the Jury needs to be sure that he didn't have a gun and sure that the officer knew that.

Derek 08-01-2014 14:52

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35661115)
To get a verdict of unlawful killing the Jury needs to be sure that he didn't have a gun and sure that the officer knew that.

Juries are funny creatures, the length of time for a decision is making me nervous.

Damien 08-01-2014 15:05

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35661116)
Juries are funny creatures, the length of time for a decision is making me nervous.

It seems like it was a a very complex case so I don't think that means anything either way.

Hugh 08-01-2014 15:08

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the jury have said he was lawfully killed.

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INQUEST CONCLUSIONS
1605: BREAKING NEWS Mark Duggan was lawfully killed in Tottenham in August 2011 a jury has concluded.

Damien 08-01-2014 15:08

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So the jury find the Duggan did not have the gun when confronted by the police but believe the officer didn't know that.

Derek 08-01-2014 15:09

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@DannyShawBBC: #duggan lawyers trying to calm court as people scream murderers.

Damien 08-01-2014 15:10

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Yup all kicking off in court.

To be honest it's the verdict that would cause the biggest reaction.

Russ 08-01-2014 15:16

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Riots part 2 tonight....

Chris 08-01-2014 15:39

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If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Ancient wisdom that still has resonance today. Duggan may not have been in possession of a gun at the fatal moment, but he put himself at risk of exactly this end by way he conducted his life.

I hope the liberal hand-wringers and professional agitators will drop it now this verdict is in - a verdict by a jury, let us not forget, not a coroner deciding alone.

But I doubt it.

martyh 08-01-2014 15:43

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35661138)
If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. Ancient wisdom that still has resonance today. Duggan may not have been in possession of a gun at the fatal moment, but he put himself at risk of exactly this end by way he conducted his life.

I hope the liberal hand-wringers and professional agitators will drop it now this verdict is in - a verdict by a jury, let us not forget, not a coroner deciding alone.

But I doubt it.

but he had a gun and was presumably prepared to use it so yes the correct action was taken and the correct verdict imo

Russ 08-01-2014 15:44

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So what can the family do now?


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