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Regarding Crime Reference Number 5253/08:

Just in case the attributions are needed over and above what RIPA itself states:

The Home Office have confirmed publicly that anyone can commit an offence under RIPA:
(Indeed it was Simon who proposed this precise wording).
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post4308.html

For examples of this in practice, see the Goodman and Mulcaire case:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007...andpublishing1

and the Stanford case:
http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room...20Stanford.htm

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This is the most tedious, ridiculous and pointless thread on any forum, ever.

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Long, yes. Ridiculous and pointless, no.

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Well done Alex,

After listening to the calls I think it is a shocking state of affairs and it makes me very angry that the police appear to be sweeping the whole issue under the carpet, so to speak. This issue will not go away and dithering Brown and the police would do well to realise this and prompt some action. It is only a matter of time.

Seriously, it's about time the leaders of this country got off their backsides and start to help the police to protect the citizens of this country in the many ways they are not able to. Lets face it, the buck stops there!

Truthfully, I have only ever placed my cross alongside one party on any political ballot sheet in many years of voting. It will change for certain at the next opportunity I get.

I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of this indecisive bunch of people parasites who are living of the backs of the people of this nation and still want to call themselves a government.

Rant over, back to Phorm.

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...and yet you had to join in :rolleyes:

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I wouldn't be angry with the police. You have to go higher up than that to find people to be angry with.

It is crystal clear that DS Murray does not understand RIPA, or is being told to give information that he is not comfortable with.

Look. I think this is the second best outcome. The team at Information Society and Media DG will sort this out.

They now have the following 'evidence'

A British government department which can not / will not give an opinion.
A British government agency which will not dish out punishment.
A British law enforcement establishment which refuses to investigate.

Three strikes.

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On the other hand, ISPs who reject such systems will benefit. It is so good to have a premium ADSL supply from one such ISP.

The big problem will be when the quality ISPs have thousands of people signing up with them all at once - pipes cost money and they will be needing the pipes before they have the cash flow to pay for them. (Anyone who wants to move should consider this when deciding on when to move.)

It makes much more sense for all ISPs to be conduits of data who respect their customers.

(I did not want to put everything into the list, else someone may comment in the future that all requirements have been met.)

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http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16745

Now I am off to work for 10 hours.

Alexander Hanff

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Totally agree, and not only good sense but also common sense.

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Alex - congratulations on staying calm in the face of such hostility.
Certain institutions record phone calls for 'training purposes' - I rather hope that the recording of that one winds up in the 'how not to behave' pile :P

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Just emailed the CoL Police regarding your story, and his outrageous attitude.

http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/CityPolice/Contact/

I chose the Professional Standards Directorate to aim my complaint at.

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Having just listened to your first audio, I think you behaved disgracefully to be quite honest. Quite apart from whether the officer in question understands RIPA or not, there is no excuse for you trying to verbally browbeat him ('talk me down', was how he put it to you, and he's right, that's exactly what you were doing); you failed to take on board his legitimate point that you could have been just *anybody*, the police get nutters and timewasters on the phone all the time; and finally, when he stated that he was ending the call due, apparently, to your complete lack of civility towards him, it's outrageous of you to *wilfully* misinterpret his actions by stating that he was therefore refusing to discuss the issue.

It seems to me that you went out looking for something that would sound sensational on your grotty little blog and win you kudos among the phorm-hat3rz on this and other forums. You weren't talking to him and you sure as hell weren't listening to him, you were thinking only of how great it would make you sound.

The whole thing reeks of a late night, local radio telephone prank call. Except without being funny.

Bad show.

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So you would class me as being one of these? Personally I don't give a dam about Alex and his street credibility. I do care about someone effectively spying on myself and others in my family. I take exception that someone in your shoes can say what you have just said without recourse. I hope you get the recognition that you are so blatantly after.

In fact I will nominate your post for an Oscar, because to be quite honest, it's the biggest and most over critical response I have ever seen any moderator on here perform.

And to think we get told off for baiting people.

The Policeman could have at least attempted to verify who Alex was, it's not as if Alex didn't include his phone number with the report, and afterall, the Police have CLI

All that Policeman achieved was to make the CoL Police look stupid, and incompetent - He obviously hadn't read the report whatsoever. That's of course if I am allowed to have an opinion, and not be classed (in your eyes) as an Alex's backside licker.

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What is disgraceful is a moderator posting a provocative thread knowing full well that Alex will not be around for 10 hours and will not be able to defend himself.

"grotty little blog"

Bad show indeed. Grow up man.

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Not only that, but he is not the first mod to post similar remarks on this thread with apparent immunity, though I think the previous one did eventually get deleted, along with all posts discussing it.