Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36198612)

The ‘principle’ was deliberately oversimplified and misrepresented to justify a tax that was intended to expose Labour-run councils that tended to charge more. The adults who previously had paid one sixth of the rate on a house, now forced to pay an equal share to their sole-occupant neighbour, were meant to blame the Labour council and vote Tory instead. To make matters worse, the tax was deliberately misrepresented as a ‘community charge’, a payment for services, which was supposed to justify it being the same flat rate paid by all, with a few exceptions who were eligible for a discount.

The problems (for the Tories) were first, people saw through it and didn’t blame their local council for the level of the charge, they blamed the government for badly-constructing the system and, second, when you’re compelled to pay a public authority a contribution to its entire operating costs regardless of how much or little you use it, you aren’t paying for services, you’re paying a tax. People understood that, and looked to this new tax to behave equitably. And by design, it did not.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198577)

This is a terrible idea, it will create a two tier benefit system

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36198639)

Agreed. They should bin it all, and think again..

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36198639)

Agreed. They should bin it all, and think again..

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198648)

they've done a u turn to show they care about todays sick and disabled[we all know they don't], and now prove they don't give a shyte about the future sick and disabled, two tier kier is nothing short of evil.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198654)

Speaking of u-turns, good to see you speaking up on behalf of the sick and disabled, when you previously thought that the vast majority are lead swingers…

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36198601)

There’s a pretty monumental difference between a policy born of hubris in the 3rd term of the most consequential post-war prime minister of this country’s history (and which brought her down), thereby narrowly rescuing a general election 2 years later than nobody thought the Tories would win and, on the other hand, a government less than 12 months old, sitting on an epoch-defying majority of 156.

Thatcher and her party had by 1987 come to think they could do no wrong and Labour was gifting them permanent power by sticking with Neil Kinnock. It was obvious the poll tax was unpopular but they pressed on because they had drunk their own kool aid, bought their own propaganda, etc etc etc.

Starmer has no such excuses. He has a majority, he’s fresh in the job, and if this wasn’t merely the latest in a string of un-forced errors he would have a pile of political goodwill at his disposal. For him to mess up this badly, this soon, and to have to be seen appeasing backbenchers as if he thinks losing the vote is a serious possibility despite his massive majority … that’s mismanagement on a catastrophic scale.

He has no political capital left now. There’s no way he can lead Labour into the next election. I’ll not be remotely surprised if he’s out of No.10 a year from now.

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198659)

Bet opposition hope him and his Chancellor stay put, what apair of losers:shocked:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198659)

Bet opposition hope him and his Chancellor stay put, what apair of losers:shocked:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36198667)

And what's your ' dream team ' ? A country full of retirees and benefit claimants, expecting something for nothing from youngsters that have seen better opportunities. The buck stops with whichever fwits voted for it.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198693)

Impact of PM's welfare U-turn revealed ahead of pivotal vote

MPs will vote on the prime minister's welfare reforms on Tuesday - with a Labour rebellion against the measures still likely. Modelling undertaken by the government says that even with changes to the reforms forced by rebels, the legislation will still push 150,000 people into poverty.


oh dear it's not getting much better is it

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...abour-12593360