Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990565)

Wrong as per usual. We could have left on March 29th. It was May who chose not to. But she had it within her power to leave, so this notion Parliament was fast to act, they only got the time to act via an extension.

That said. The bill is still as I say, utterly pointless.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990567)

May chose not to because there was no Parliamentary support for doing so. Hard Brexit or WTO Brexit (insert any name you please) is dead

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35990568)

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Have decided to resign from ERG. Despite excellent Chairmanship by @Jacob_Rees_Mogg who has accommodated all views I can no longer be a member of caucas which is preventing WA4 from passing. Hardcore element of ‘Unicorn’ dreamers now actually endangering #Brexit

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35990573)

Wow, it's taken him long enough to realise that the true threat to Brexit comes from what he accurately describes as the 'unicorn' dreamers. If people didn't fall for their own nonsense, he would have arrived at this conclusion in time to have voted for Theresa May's deal and encouraged his colleagues to do the same!

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990572)

No it is not, No Deal is still on the table if any of the EU 27 reject extension, sorry to burst that over excitable little bubble of yours.

Parliamentary process for passing Bills is usually very slow, so no I am not wrong on them being slow, actually - this unconstitutional bill was fast tracked by a Remain Parliament and Lords. Enough said.

And there is no parliamentary support for a Second Referendum, that you keep going on about, defeated what, three times now ? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990574)

And why would or should they vote for something that isn't actually Brexit ? :dozey:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35990575)

Firstly, because not everyone shares your definition of Brexit and secondly, we're only talking about the Withdrawal Agreement and not the trade deal.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990577)

How do you know - you asked everyone ? :rolleyes:

No you haven't - so you don't speak for everyone either.

I am well aware of what is being discussed. :dozey:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35990575)

Firstly, because not everyone shares your definition of Brexit and secondly, we're only talking about the Withdrawal Agreement and not the trade deal.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35990579)

If you and I have different definitions of what Brexit is then not everyone has the same definition. I don't need to ask everyone. And I doubt that Jezza and May are discussing the weather - they're discussing different forms of Brexit or there'd be nothing to discuss!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990580)

So you'd think, but it seems that Labour isn't opposed to the Withdrawal Agreement - only the political statement!

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It seems to me that only the confused Remainers have different versions of Brexit. You may recall those little phrases: Leave means leave. Brexit means Brexit.

Your version of Brexit isn't the Brexit at all that leavers voted for. You are in the one foot in and one foot out brigade, who don't seem to realise the benefits that could be attained by the UK having its own trade policy on both goods and services.

Speak to pretty well any Leaver in the street and they say they want a clean divorce, not a messy one that leaves us looking after the children, paying over all our money and taking ordsrs from mother in law.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990580)

Speak to pretty well any Leaver in the street and they say they want a clean divorce, not a messy one that leaves us looking after the children, paying over all our money and taking ordsrs from mother in law.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990584)

There’s plenty of those who want to leave in the Conservative Party, including those who campaigned to leave, who are disagreeing over it. Your claim is demonstrably false.

Leave means leave, Brexit means Brexit, neither of those phrases mean anything.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990591)

Yes, they do mean something. It means leave the EU. How can it be said that we have left if we are still in the customs union, taking rules from the EU and applying their tariffs?

Those Conservatives who have voted for BRINO type options tend to be those who just want to get on with the process of leaving. It is not necessarily their preference, is it?

And people like Amber Rudd are remainers who are being courted to support the result of the referendum.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990608)

They mean nothing about the future arrangements. Indeed, Brexit wasn’t even a word until recently, just a media invention.