Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964142)

An article in today’s Sunday Telegraph puts it rather well:

1. May has been treating the negotiations as political.
2. The EU has been treating the negotiations as theological.
3. Violating the theology (Brexit) is heresy and must be treated as such.

So I say:

Any Brit who sides with the EU’s approach needs to re-evaluate.

Any Brit who wants to remain under this theology and behaviour should clear off if they can’t accept the Referendum result.

Any Remainer who doesn’t agree that the EU approach is theological is entitled to their opinion, but is reminded of the Referendum result.

Macron is acting as if he is the new Merkel and that is worse because his country is well up shit creek and he should fix that first.

Jeez, why do you Remainers want to have any part of that?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964142)

An article in today’s Sunday Telegraph puts it rather well:

1. May has been treating the negotiations as political.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964144)

It feels like voting to leave = jumping of a wall, only now that wall is actually 300 foot high, when everyone was sold the idea it was only 3 foot high.

In those circumstances must we all go along with jumping off that wall because the majority thought it was a good idea at the time? Or have enough of the majority changed their minds to stop this headlong rush over the edge?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35964146)

May has been treating the negotiations like a large family arriving late for a flight and asking for special treatment.
Arriving tired and late at the airport, her family are still all arguing about the type of holiday they want. Her older son Boris wants a cycling holiday. The younger twins want a beach holiday whilst her husband Philip wants to stay at home, cut the roses and watch the golf.

She insists that the holiday company should provide them with a holiday that does all of the above, even though they've been trying to clarify what she wants for two years, but the family has been too busy arguing with itself to give an answer!
:D

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964152)

This seems to be a variant of the standard Remainer’s answer. The edge in my definition is neither 3 feet nor 300 feet high. It is the border between the UK’s sovereignty and EU dictatorship at the behest of Germany and France.

Are you the sort of Remainer that wants to be part of Macron’s vision? Are you content to work with someone who is showing his true nasty colours?

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My 3 enumerated points need to be taken together. By isolating #1, all you are doing is deriding May (instead of Macron which you should be doing). May is doing badly, but it has nevertheless brought out the worst in the EU and we should be pleased to get away from them.

So I ask you: do you accept the three axioms I have postulated and if not, why not?

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964158)

Those who still support leaving seem to have an odd faith in May and the government propped up by the DUP.

Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35964164)

Ah done a survey have you ? Would you mind sharing the results please ?

Thanks Now :)

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964158)

Those who still support leaving seem to have an odd faith in May and the government propped up by the DUP. Whilst I initially supported leave based on a lie and a wish to be rid of UKIP. I have zero faith in this government to prepare for Brexit, deal or no deal.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964167)

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964170)

I do not accept they are axioms. Of these only no 1 is possible.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35964172)

The chips for the nations betrayal are being lined up, ready to be played.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ng-870588.html

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35963834)

I have mentioned this before but it seems closer now: Brexit means Corbyn.

Labour 'could win 1.5m more votes' by backing Brexit referendum

If Corbyn can be persuaded or more likely made to change his position on Brexit, after all he is a arch Leaver but still a politician, Labour will win a GE if called.

May is desperate and realises this:

That’s why I’m calling on Labour to rule out a second referendum and not take us back to square one.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964175)

Then I'll postulate the list differently:

On the basis that #1 is possible (May has been treating the negotiations as political) and thus for the sake of this discussion, an axiom, do you accept the hypotheses as follows?

A. The EU has been treating the negotiations as theological.
B. The EU regards violating the theology (Brexit) is heresy and must be treated as such.




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If you have read Pierre's link you will have alighted on the following paragraph:

“This latest decision means the UK Parliament will get clear guidance from the European Court of Justice about the precise powers open to it when it is asked to vote on the Brexit deal."

That is precisely why we must leave the EU.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35964190)

The EU have looked at the 750 treaties and are acting in accordance with them. This is not theological stance but a legal one (god/religion has nothing to do with this).

The government negotiators may want X, Y or Z, but this is not within the purview of the EU negotiators to give, as they are restricted and governed by the rules. Ergo the EU are not treating the negotiations as a theological.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964193)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35964167)