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Hugh 22-08-2020 21:48
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047395)
The BBC expects its news bulletins to be shifted to VOD within 10 years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-goes-digital/

The BBC’s News at Six and News at 10 bulletins will soon be obsolete as coverage moves online, the corporation’s head of news has said.

Within a decade, news will be in “the digital space” and the BBC’s output will be consumed via iPlayer, said Fran Unsworth.
Strange - the BBC put it differently...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53846414
Quote:
BBC News boss Fran Unsworth says some TV bulletins may disappear

The BBC's head of news has said the number of traditional TV bulletins may be cut over the next decade as more people watch news online.

Fran Unsworth told The Daily Telegraph she thought there might only be one bulletin a day.

Asked whether the News at Ten might survive but not the News at Six, Ms Unsworth replied: "Possibly, or maybe the other way round."...

..."There might be one [bulletin] a day, or something. I think there'll be fewer of them. But I think that the power of how you tell stories through television, pictures, video will just be in a different space.

"It'll be in the digital space, it'll be on, you know, iPlayer. It'll be on your tablet, your iPhone.

jfman 22-08-2020 22:44
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
As always Old Boy only portrays one side of the coin. The BBC responded to the DCMS consultation on the European Electronic Communications Code to stress the importance of “must carry” obligations that existing platforms have - presumably with a view to extend those to streaming services. And being the BBC they’d want their content prioritised - like in an EPG.

Jimmy-J 23-08-2020 00:46
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047395)
The BBC expects its news bulletins to be shifted to VOD within 10 years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-goes-digital/

The BBC’s News at Six and News at 10 bulletins will soon be obsolete as coverage moves online, the corporation’s head of news has said.

Within a decade, news will be in “the digital space” and the BBC’s output will be consumed via iPlayer, said Fran Unsworth.
I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.

denphone 23-08-2020 05:08
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36047433)
I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.
You are going to be very disappointed then.;)

Raider999 23-08-2020 09:27
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36047433)
I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.
I think they will - almost a national institution - however I think they will have a different funding model

Chris 23-08-2020 10:03
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36047437)
I think they will - almost a national institution - however I think they will have a different funding model
The BBC’s charter expires in 2027, so it’s going to be around, charging a licence fee and broadcasting linear TV, for 7 more years as a bare minimum.

Because negotiations for the new charter need to finish around 5-6 years from now, if there was any serious prospect of the BBC losing the right to charge a universal fee for its services, you would be hearing serious people starting to talk about it by now. That means we are going to have a publicly funded BBC until at least 2037, although the precise means of revenue gathering may well change in some way (a broadband tax is possible IMO).

However let us please not drift into yet another licence fee thread. This topic is about content delivery technology, not the way it’s paid for.

Mr K 23-08-2020 11:24
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906336)
There is no conflict between streaming and watching live. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player, for example.

There appears to be a collective mental block on this subject!
Streaming isn't live, it can add to further delays for 'live' sport. Try syncing watching cricket on Sky Go, with commentary on R4 TMS. The radio is sometimes an over ahead !

Chris 23-08-2020 11:59
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For the purposes of this thread, there is a very important distinction between “on demand” and “IP-TV”. True on demand services are delivered over IP, but not all IP-TV is on demand. It is entirely possible to deliver a linear scheduled broadcast tv service over IP. That’s why claims that the U.K. will eventually move to a system of entirely IP delivered TV, do not amount to proof that linear broadcast will entirely give way to on demand. The two phenomena are related but they are not synonymous.

Legendkiller2k 23-08-2020 13:09
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36047459)
For the purposes of this thread, there is a very important distinction between “on demand” and “IP-TV”. True on demand services are delivered over IP, but not all IP-TV is on demand. It is entirely possible to deliver a linear scheduled broadcast tv service over IP. That’s why claims that the U.K. will eventually move to a system of entirely IP delivered TV, do not amount to proof that linear broadcast will entirely give way to on demand. The two phenomena are related but they are not synonymous.
I believe Plusnet, Talktalk and BT do this via multicast.

OLD BOY 23-08-2020 16:52
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36047446)
Streaming isn't live, it can add to further delays for 'live' sport. Try syncing watching cricket on Sky Go, with commentary on R4 TMS. The radio is sometimes an over ahead !
The latency issue certainly is a problem, but they are 'working on it' as they say.

Hugh 23-08-2020 17:24
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047474)
The latency issue certainly is a problem, but they are 'working on it' as they say.
From a "related" thread...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045251)
Something magic will happen... :D
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/08/1.gif

OLD BOY 23-08-2020 17:58
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36047479)
(sigh...)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45499784

The BBC says it has worked out how to eliminate "streaming lag", which causes live TV to be delayed by several seconds when watched online.

spiderplant 23-08-2020 21:32
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047483)
The BBC says it has worked out how to eliminate "streaming lag", which causes live TV to be delayed by several seconds when watched online.
They worked out how to do that 90 years ago. ;)

Hugh 23-08-2020 23:17
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047483)
(sigh...)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45499784

The BBC says it has worked out how to eliminate "streaming lag", which causes live TV to be delayed by several seconds when watched online.
<even longer sigh...>

As I explained in that thread on the 1st of this month...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045348)
Easily - it wasn’t scalable, and wasn’t cost-effective to implement.

From the BBC at the time

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The final latency improvement we have made comes from optimising and streamlining the various processes that our media goes through before it emerges as segments available on the Internet. By doing this, we can show what is possible in terms of low latency distribution, though it’s fair to say that some additional delay is likely to return here if we were to take our prototype and scale it up for full production use.
And as I also said in that thread, when you previously said "they’re working on it"...
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OB, really? I didn’t know that...

(Except for the fact, as mentioned before, that one of my best friends is a Lead Technical Architect at the BBC, working specifically on the Telecomms area, who speaks at International conferences on the impact of 5G on broadcasting, and who is a member of a National 5G Working Group advising the UK Government, and my comments are informed by discussions with him - which highly experienced technical resource at the BBC are your comments informed by?).

Chris 23-08-2020 23:43
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Also worth noting the gulf that exists between ‘eliminating’ streaming lag (which OB claims the BBC has worked out) and ‘improvements’ to streaming lag, which is what the BBC is willing to claim for itself, in lab tests. Nonetheless, I’m sure we can expect OB’s stock reply in such situations, namely that everything will be mathemagically worked out and anyone who doubts it is a pessimist.


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